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Agriculture Collective: Schouten puts us offside

8 December 2019 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 46 comments

The Agriculture Collective feels sidelined by Agriculture Minister Carola Schouten in the consultations about the nitrogen measures. The association of farmers' organizations writes this Sunday in a statement. According to the collective, Schouten simply puts together laws and regulations without farmers being aware of this. 'While the farmers will soon be able to deliver the desired nitrogen reduction.'

The Agricultural Collective reports that since last Monday, December 3, there has been no consultation between the farmers and Minister Schouten. While last week, the collective emphasizes, an Emergency Nitrogen Act has been adopted in the House of Representatives containing measures that affect the sector in detail. The government also has contact with the provinces revised nitrogen rules drawn up, which will be decided by the Provincial Executive of the 12 provinces this week.

External netting
In a letter to Parliament dated 4 December, Minister Schouten also announced a make decisions about external netting, whereby production rights of livestock farms can be taken. "All without any form of consultation with farmers," the collective writes. This attitude of the minister stings the farmers' organizations even more, because Schouten has indicated in the media in recent days that he is 'talking' with the Agricultural Collective.

The collective is still hoping for a motion passed by MPs Jaco Geurts (CDA) and Mark Harbers (VVD) in the House of Representatives, in which parliament urges the minister to seriously consider the nitrogen plan of the Agriculture Collective. The collective understands that with the current political moves the 'farmers are fed up and no longer want to be ignored.' With this, the group certainly refers to the large-scale action that Farmers Defense Force is organizing.

Using farm plan
The Agricultural Collective therefore calls on the minister once again to refer to the farmers' plan 'From the created nitrogen impasse' as a starting point for a nitrogen agreement. 'The farmers' plan reduces nitrogen considerably more than that of the minister and creates sufficient scope for the introduction of a higher threshold value in the short term. The plan also allows housing construction to go ahead for years. All this without locking down the sector and unnecessarily threatening the survival of farms.'

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46 comments
Bob 8 December 2019
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That means blocking distribution and ensuring that all our food is destined for export (pigs can go to China).
Have a merry Christmas.
Also close the border for imports.
Bart 8 December 2019
It is time for the entire food supply to be shut down at European level, then those members of parliament will find out where the food comes from.
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Farmer Jan 8 December 2019
In my opinion, the government will try to frame the farmers' actions that are desperately needed to stop this mismanagement in such a way that the support of the citizens disappears.
The whole nitrogen and pfas thing is a nice distraction from what is actually going on, economic downturn, mass migration and devaluation of money/property and pensions.
The question is whether and when the citizens themselves will realize this, and will also stand up, in France people have been taking to the streets every Saturday for a year now.
We never get this on the news, because not the right news in the eyes of our state broadcaster.
Hans 8 December 2019
Bart, agree with you.
In addition to increasing national pressure, European farmers will have to shut down Brussels indefinitely.
"People" want more Brussels, "people" can get more (farmers in) Brussels.
Sjaak 8 December 2019
Close everything also borders everything flat also dairies and distribution centers everything
Henk 8 December 2019
I always thought that "common sense" meant something like a sense of reality, but apparently I'm completely wrong. You mainly read a lot of emotional hooting now that the judge has intervened in a government that has been looking away for far too long. The nitrogen problem is real farming, quite apart from the other misery that industrial agriculture has produced. You can protest as much as you want, but it won't change reality!
Frank 8 December 2019
Exactly Henk, all farmers who do not see that there is a serious problem in the agricultural sector that can no longer be denied. And if you, as a farmer, had paid more attention, you could have seen it coming for years. But yes, kept the hand above the head by the CDA. And now you're stuck with the baked pears.
Then block everything. Bunch of fools!
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Uncle Henk 8 December 2019
Well Henk and Frank, how should it be according to you. Demonstrate it.
Harrie 8 December 2019
We are just being fooled by the simpletons in the hague we have seen a map of Europe throughout Europe there is no nitrogen problem to be seen anywhere. Except in the Netherlands there are all red dots to be seen in the rest of Europe nowhere here only climate idiots walk in the 2nd room clover jets and that bitch from the animal party but the smart Dutch are falling for it again pffff
Joris 8 December 2019
I would like to hear a response from LTO. Is the post published above the opinion of the entire collection or is it imposed by the FDF? The latter is not seen as a positive by the entire sector!
Harrie 8 December 2019
In addition, be proud of our farmers for once they provide us with healthy food, but our government does not want that they want to limit our exports so that they can import more vegetables and meat from countries where poisons may be used that are prohibited here Good night people and let you be cheated by our coalition parties just a shame how they treat our farmers and their own people here and yes I hear the comments though I'm racist. But that's how you are made in the Netherlands by the backward policy of this cabinet. There is plenty of news about the diggers dijkhof and rutte
Johan 8 December 2019
Frank and Henk, I think you can read badly.
My advice, read it again, you might find out that your response is completely nonsensical.
The farmers come up with a solution that is better than the minister's. So there is indeed a sense of reality.

MI there is nothing wrong with the whole nitrogen thing.
Flowers from the year zero, which reappear and then disappear again. That's how it's been going for years.

And then the so-called culture nature, without manure, etc. ... no soil life to be seen and flooded with Russian pollen.

And then blame the farmer for too much nitrogen??

Those red dots that Harrie is talking about. It may just be that nitrogen clusters above NL and then, for example, does not want to cross the 'sea', so that the sea does not 'take' the nitrogen, just like with thunderstorms. Research that first.
Gerrit 8 December 2019
Blocking the food supply is not the way to go! The elite in The Hague are trying to chase the farmers on the tractor! The Hague does not listen to the common people, farmers and much more. The big pickpockets just keep grabbing. And can fill their pockets with laws and regulations and thus achieve this by picking the inferior ones. They also did not listen to the FMD crisses, all animals had to be culled. Farmers have also been destroyed. Yes, the common sense of the Dutch does not beat those few people who come up with these plans of co2 pfass MKZ etc.! And just push it down our throats. Pensions, Income arrears care police elderly, teachers, education. Costs of energy, care, renting homes that are much too high. So there is no listening, only there will be much more misery. Long live free democracy and not be listened to.
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burke Brabant 9 December 2019
I am not yet in favor of blocking the food supply, a much better action would be to shut down companies that do not have a valid permit,
that can also be explained to the population,
the government's plan, of course, is to take space away from us, and give that space to the other companies without a permit,
I'm located near bavaria in lieshout, which I hear is one of the many companies without a permit. my tractor is ready with a full tank
Karel 9 December 2019
Joris, lto is of no use to you, they have been sleeping for years.
Narcos 9 December 2019
Slow Down
peter 9 December 2019
Politics creates a nitrogen crisis to realize a building stop, so that the houses HAVE to become more expensive!
as a result, there is more buffer at the large banks.

As a result, the equity of the banks becomes stronger again!

This allows the banks to raise interest rates again in the future.

The agricultural land price may now fall (to the average EU level), which the banks still held back with phosphate rights! Who heard Rabobank during the nitrogen crisis?

Now more farmers are going to stop (age no successor) and land prices may fall, because housing portfolio compensates for this!

The problem for the farmers will be that soon everyone will be underwater!!!!
??? !!! 9 December 2019
Joris, this is unbelievable: "I would like to hear a response from LTO"

NEVER WEAR ANYTHING FROM LTO, only gives official instructions to the farmer.

FDF/Agriculture Collective has made a mistake by adding such civil servants' laps.

Close everything until the cabinet falls.
Skirt 9 December 2019
Politics is the implementing body of big business and NGOs with double agendas, the pawns like Schouten are not representatives of the people at all.
Can you name a sincere reason why Schouten does not want to consult with the sector?
Right, there is no such reason, it is a corrupt game to send everyone into the reed with a bunch and then try to turn it so that the farmers are the big bogeyman.
No, rather burn down the jungle and import it, then take good agricultural land out of production here and convert it into useless nature, this is not at all for the nature freaks, that is a side issue for big business and now functions as a perfect smokescreen.
It is very coincidental that, among other things, the Mercosur deal is now being concluded, huge areas in the unexplored Amazon region, including the Mata Grosso, are in the hands of wealthy NGOs and large capitalists. Cultivating this area (plus the whole mess that comes after it) will bring them huge profits, and at the same time destroying self-sufficiency in the EU would be the icing on the cake. The common people have long stopped turning the knobs, politics has 2 faces and 1 client.
Henk 9 December 2019
The agricultural collective's plan is extremely expensive and offers no solution whatsoever. It makes sense that it has been pushed aside. The plan requires that all released nitrogen space remains available for the agricultural sector, so that a profit of 0% is achieved. No room for nature restoration, no room for (housing) construction and many billions of subsidies.

I, like many, therefore wonder very much in what way this plan is a solution to the problem. It makes sense that you would be kicked out. Or actually deliberately goes out of the way and then complains to the referee and in the meantime calls hooligans to riot.

farmer 9 December 2019
What's going on with Farmers friends for Defense??? The FB page has been put on standstill but some accusations from a citizen support group! Glorious down to their own success!! No, with a big mouth you will go far.... Let the Lto pick it up again, it turns out that club is not that bad!
GAIT 9 December 2019
Henk wrote:
The agricultural collective's plan is extremely expensive and offers no solution whatsoever. It makes sense that it has been pushed aside. The plan requires that all released nitrogen space remains available for the agricultural sector, so that a profit of 0% is achieved. No room for nature restoration, no room for (housing) construction and many billions of subsidies.

I, like many, therefore wonder very much in what way this plan is a solution to the problem. It makes sense that you would be kicked out. Or actually deliberately goes out of the way and then complains to the referee and in the meantime calls hooligans to riot.

100% agree.
until here and no further 9 December 2019
Little farmer's wife, lto isn't that bad, they've only always taken care of themselves, given up the entire sector for that, the current chairman has also been busy giving away everything from the collective to his left-wing friends, I'm sure if lto pick up on the fact that we're lost, the best thing that could happen to the industry is for them to shut themselves down
Skirt 9 December 2019
Henk wrote:
The agricultural collective's plan is extremely expensive and offers no solution whatsoever. It makes sense that it has been pushed aside. The plan requires that all released nitrogen space remains available for the agricultural sector, so that a profit of 0% is achieved. No room for nature restoration, no room for (housing) construction and many billions of subsidies.

I, like many, therefore wonder very much in what way this plan is a solution to the problem. It makes sense that you would be kicked out. Or actually deliberately goes out of the way and then complains to the referee and in the meantime calls hooligans to riot.

It's a HOAX, and you either believe it, or get paid to believe it.
shoemakers 1 9 December 2019
Farmer, what is going on with FDF's FB page, that there are not always new things on it, it may also be that some people in this country still have to work to get further
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quite coarse 9 December 2019
The nitrogen problem has been talked into us, it is said that it is bad for nature.
The earth has been around for 4.5 billion years and really knows how to solve this on its own.
Yes, there will be a different plant growth, so what.
That other plant growth only comes until there is less N. coming out of the atmosphere, very simple.
Only the earth does not think in 50 years but rather in 5000 years.
But yes, we simple souls want everything to remain as it is thought to be and remain.
Everywhere people interfere, things go wrong (OVP, Water Supply Dunes and various other nature areas where nothing wants to live anymore)
Natura 200 areas are only aimed at ultimately reducing the livestock population and loosening the land from the farmer!
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quite coarse 9 December 2019
Be sure to pay attention to the club "landvanons.nl" again an unthinking club that will cover 300000 ha in the foreseeable future. Want to buy agricultural land!!
Farmers, beware and never sell to these people!!
Jan s 9 December 2019
We don't have a nitrogen problem, but the government is the problem.
Let's stop whining and stand behind each other, only then can we achieve something!
Glass 9 December 2019
It is incomprehensible that the court rules that the car race can continue while the Netherlands is in trouble
If people had any understanding, the judge would now have prohibited digging, building, moving and constructing roads.
If the farmers want to achieve something, they have to go to the circuit with tractors etc
Piet 9 December 2019
Dear farmers,
It is right on your side and the frustration and anger is understandable, because the minister had promised to provide clarity before December 1. That's not there yet. So go and "block" her, but don't damage other sectors as well. You lose understanding with the citizens.
rule maker 9 December 2019
Zandvoort is the clearest example of how things are going in the Netherlands, by all logic the event would go to Assen, but because the ownership relationships in Zandvoort had to do with the royal family, suddenly no logic was logical anymore, it was just pushed through to some people more from society.

Some have suggested to shut down the non-licensed companies, I think we are indeed at the right place, agriculture must be bleeding from these companies
Henk 9 December 2019
more action
unscrew those slurry tanks
rule maker 9 December 2019
It is also those non-licensed companies, or companies that have received an incorrect permit at the last minute, these are the friends of Rutte and co, the whole of society has to bleed for this
Skirt 9 December 2019
See Amercentrale, owned by the big business, notably in the oh so green North Brabant provincial house, this is a hugely spacious NOx and Ammonia permit issued just before the end of the PAS.
Chance?? No of course not.
Narcos 9 December 2019
The entire government apparatus is a corrupt gang of green-fingered grabbers.
Most farmers are too cowardly and simple to see the big picture.
People get bread and circuses, meanwhile pushed into EU poverty.
Steven 9 December 2019
Farmer Johan , is true , that new nature through forms of soil removal does not yield anything for the flora and fauna , is true field rushes and insect-free soil , but call biodiversity or ecological and everyone stops thinking. The natural meadows here consist of 1 type of grass + nettles + carob and sometimes blackberries. Storage of birch is removed.
In this area around Boxtel, the diversity of flora and fauna has declined due to so-called cultural measures (by monkeys).
geert 9 December 2019
Watch out for forest rangers, soon all farmers will be forest rangers!
Henkie 9 December 2019
Unfortunately government has its own story, and will push this through, they have the power, and they never listen
This in turn ends with cartloads of pallets and permits

Henk 9 December 2019
@Kjol

Whether you believe in the existence of a nitrogen problem or not is irrelevant to my story.

The point is that in the plan of the agricultural collective, the agricultural sector wants to receive billions in subsidies for taking measures to reduce nitrogen emissions, on the condition that the nitrogen space released remains available for the agricultural sector.

The sector wants to receive a lot of subsidy, but not provide anything in return. These are therefore investments without returns.
Regardless of whether you believe in the existence of a nitrogen problem or not, it is logical that the government does not take seriously a plan that costs a lot and produces nothing.
Skirt 9 December 2019
The nitrogen space is legally licensed space, if it subsequently turns out that the government suddenly changes the rules of the game, it will also have to provide the means to realize this, since the cost price will rise sharply.
Subsequently, it must then be prevented that the released nitrogen space is still emitted by the other sectors, which can release it without any effort and free of charge if they end up at an Amer power plant from the agricultural sector, for example.
That would be absolutely not good for nature and would only shift the problem.
Henk 10 December 2019
I fully agree that it is not the farmers' fault that the PAS was introduced against all advice. However, this did happen, resulting in too much nitrogen space being allocated. It would be bad if this is taken away without any form of compensation.

However, if subsidies are used to invest in measures to reduce nitrogen emissions from farmers, it seems only logical to me that the government also determines what happens to the nitrogen space created by the subsidy.

I fully agree that this should not go straight to the industry. But because too much nitrogen space has been allocated, housing construction has now come to a standstill. If 70% of the space released by subsidized measures is used for housing and other important projects, and 30% is skimmed off for the benefit of nature, it is a win-win situation.

Farmers want to keep money and nitrogen rights. If the nitrogen rights remain within the agricultural sector, investing money is useless. It seems self-evident to me that there should be money in return for surrendering nitrogen rights.
peter 10 December 2019
@ Henk, The housing construction is only at a standstill, so that buying homes becomes scarcer and more expensive for the equity of the mortgage providers and chasing inflation!
Skirt 10 December 2019
Like it now
it seems that the nitrogen space released will end up entirely with the industry, as it now appears that a lot of nitrogen is not permitted there and that there is therefore a major 'nitrogen leak'.
Housing construction will be revived through temporary exemptions during construction, since very little is emitted there.
Big capital (industry) will soon receive the nitrogen rights for free. This has already happened with CO2 rights.
peter 10 December 2019
Every year 100.000 asylum seekers come to the Netherlands, do they not emit nitrogen?
If these people are treated well in their own country, they will not come to the Netherlands.

Treating well means:

That we farmers in the Netherlands grow the food that does not grow in their country due to drought and that we buy oil and coffee etc from them.

All this will have to be done on the basis of 1 to 1 barter, then everyone will be happy!!!

and not as it happens now these people in Africa steal their oil and make them pay dearly for our products (let them die of hunger) do you think it's strange that they come en masse to Western Europe to ....... ...............
Skirt 10 December 2019
Completely agree, the money now stays with the big capital and does not end up with the ordinary African. The local rulers are, among other things, helped in the saddle and supported by our politicians so that big capital can skim off large profits with their support. Politics and big business are two hands on one belly, the petty citizen and entrepreneur believe in the political show and can then eat up the misery that comes behind it.
Skirt 10 December 2019
And don't forget the very dubious role of the NGOs. Those are wolves in sheep's clothing.
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