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Farmers Defense Force announces 'hard action'

10 December 2019 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 120 comments

The large-scale farmer's action of Farmers Defense Force (FDF) will take place on Wednesday 18 December. According to the farmers' organisation, this will be the 'National Action Day of 2019'. Nothing has yet been announced about the content of the actions, although FDF leader Mark van den Oever previously indicated that he wanted to put 'a hitch' in the Dutch food supply.

There are rumors that distribution centers of Dutch supermarket chains are being blocked with tractors, but this is not certain. FDF does announce the promotion with 'The hamster week has started.' The fact is that FDF has asked its followers to form groups of 50 farmers with tractors who can carry out regional actions.

According to Van den Oever, a massive turnout of farmers makes the actions of 'October 1, 16, 17 and 30 pale in comparison to what has now been set up'. On 1 and 16 October, among other things, the Malieveld in The Hague and the streets around it full of tractors.

The farmers who participate will not be informed until 6.00 a.m. on that Wednesday morning where they should go, FDF said. According to the organization, the actions are not held on private property (such as the loading and unloading area of ​​a distribution center) and therefore fall 'within the limits of the law'.

strength and power
However, according to Van den Oever, the action will be 'hard'. The promotion lasts all day and may also be extended. “The statement we make will be crystal clear and show the strength and power of the agricultural sector. This will resonate internationally and set an example for many farmers in Europe', says Van den Oever.

FDF announces the action as a two-stage missile, ie the action serves a dual purpose. 'As FDF, we want to make a structural improvement in the revenue model of the agricultural sector, as well as bring the government's nitrogen policy back to normal proportions.' FDF will start construction and earthmoving next Wednesday, united in the Construction in Resistance Foundation. 

Government has failed
In a statement, Van den Oever states on behalf of FDF that 'the government's nitrogen policy has failed, €1.000 billion is being burned up against the unproven effects of climate change, the PFAS policy is completely inadequate and €11,2 billion in subsidy for biomass from especially abroad will be strengthened' According to the organisation, the economy is also in danger of entering a recession due to a standstill in the issuing of permits.

FDF would rather see all those billions spent on 'elderly care, education, defense and the implementation of the plan of the Agricultural Collective† 'We do not want the millions that are also being released to buy up half of the Dutch farmers. We don't want to be driven from the land of our ancestors', says Van de Oever.

Farmers are fed up
Agriculture Minister Carola Schouten has so far not made any concrete agreements with the agricultural sector in the nitrogen dossier, while there is already - against the sore leg of the farmers - an emergency nitrogen law has been approved by the House of Representatives and new policy rules have been delegated to the provinces. In this, to the horror of the Agricultural Collective the occupation of latent space of agricultural companies an important part.

The Agricultural Collective meets next monday morning with Prime Minister Rutte and Agriculture Minister Schouten. However, the chance that this will lead to concrete proposals and plans for agriculture that can suspend FDF's action seems extremely small. 

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120 comments
nn 10 December 2019
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/financieel/artikel/10884975/farmers-defence-force-announced-keiharde-actie-announced]Farmers Defense Force announces 'hardened action'[/url]
I'm not participating
Anna Maria 10 December 2019
Go with that banana! Then the bullet has to go through the church once!
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Haarlemmermeer 10 December 2019
We are being fooled by politics. The multinationals are raking in the nitrogen space, the pollution space on surface water and soil, the construction space. Citizens are given recreation, nature and the appearance of a clean living environment.
The farmer and landowners have to pay this, the blame is shifted to Brussels.
The political and multinational elite will have to feel that farmers and citizens are fed up. That can only be done by locking the entire country, so blocking highways.
The Thinker 10 December 2019
Read the piece with amazement. To me it comes across very much: how do we get support from the citizens? We talk about elderly care, education and defence.
What concerns the farmers is not only the nitrogen but also the revenue model in the industry concerned. Van den Oever and his club are pure narcissists.
Willem 10 December 2019
the farmers have my full support and would like to call on anyone with any feeling for a liveable society to do the same, all the average people in this country have been neglected / not heard for far too long, but they are all doing well for a political and civil service which, without any sense of honesty and humanity, does not rule us but dictates
SUCCESS
howl 10 December 2019
Now it's getting serious, Rutte and consjorten are in an unimaginably large split, it's up or down. Problems will arise that are unparalleled and that is precisely the intention. The agricultural collective is doing a good job shapo. And people who like to stay at home, especially do, then our administrators and fighters can take the coals out of the fire for the profiteers.
Jan Veltkamp 10 December 2019
I wholeheartedly support the campaign. The nitrogen is only a means of beating the dog and is otherwise useless. How is it possible that it is precisely the natural areas where the destructive agriculture is present? If agriculture is really that bad for nature, the natura 2000 areas would have been in the cities. It's time to stop this nonsense
dairy farmer 10 December 2019
Finally, I've been looking forward to this for a long time, it's a shame they let it get this far in The Hague.
It is time for the majority to speak up and for that left-wing state broadcaster to get a spin.
Jan Woonink 10 December 2019
By blocking distribution centers you will lose all sympathy from the rest of the Dutch people. The people were fully behind the 1st action. At the 2nd action, aggression and destruction came around the corner, here you farmers already lost a lot of understanding. With this 3rd action you are going to smash your own windows, pay attention.
AJoet Twente 10 December 2019
If the government considers the N problem to be such a big problem , it would have instructed the provinces long ago : Close all companies without a NBW permit . 85% of these are non-agricultural companies.
This permit has been mandatory in Overijssel since 2010 .
I wonder whether it is possible to maintain a provincial government that issued an Irrevocable NBW permit in the period 2010-2015 and now wants to partially take it away . While she looks the other way at non-agricultural companies.
If theft pays, let's replace Rutte with Holleeder.
until here and no further 10 December 2019
we have nothing to lose, go with that banana
Vincent 10 December 2019
Stupid, stupid, stupid, that 'hard action'. A small group of farmers is now going to ruin it for the rest. Our sector is on the eve of major changes, however you look at it. What you should in any case not lose is support and sympathy. You won't achieve anything with blocking actions. In addition, as a farmer you run a huge risk of damage claims by affected DCs and criminal prosecution. Hope that LTO will also take a quick and clear position on this: protesting is allowed, blocking is not allowed.
AJoet Twente 10 December 2019
Response to Jan Woonink.
What good is the farmers' sympathy if part of the permit is stolen from them?
Now the latent space is being stolen and next year you will need NH3 for grazing and fertilizing , so handing in livestock .
What do you think of Schouten having all the cars of residents in the Randstad confiscated (not reimbursed). Helps directly against N problem and public transport enough.
Joep 10 December 2019
Politicians have smashed almost all the farmer's windows step by step.
It is right that the farmers no longer take it and justified that they are going to take harder actions as the plush stickers
in The Hague (and Brussels) are not quick to meet the hardworking farmers. High time that the modern slaves (our farmers)
Revolt. They have and have the sympathy of all burfers who have also been milked out for years.
Willem 10 December 2019
Totally agree with Vincent above. By participating in this illegal action, you are simply putting your business at risk financially. Do you think Jumbo and AH aren't going to try to get every penny lost? One word of advice: don't get carried away by this group of agitators. Obey the law and don't do stupid things that could hit yourself, your company and family hard.
arable farmer 10 December 2019
why do I never hear from anyone about the resources package that is getting smaller and smaller, I have the idea that we are only protesting for livestock farming.
boer 10 December 2019
I've never heard of anyone around here supporting this move.
tjerk 10 December 2019
So I was already afraid of this. A small group loses their minds and is going to screw it up for all of us. Saw it coming at the Malieveld #doeffenormaal
Jo46 10 December 2019
It is understandable that the farmers are taking action and continue to do so.
They have and keep (unlike the Hague nonvaleurs) the sympathy of all other working Dutch people who are grotesquely cheated with an imposed climate religion which is aimed at further "legalized" robbery of farmers and citizens.
In short: Support our farmers until the climate dogmas are out of the world; starting in our beautiful country.
Lou 10 December 2019
I do want to take action, but I do want to know in advance what I'm getting into. It's idiotic that we don't just say what we're going to do. So it must be something that shouldn't be. In any case, I'm definitely not participating.
Jan 10 December 2019
It all sucks but this really isn't the solution. Do you really think those European NO3 rules will change if we block? Waist of time. Doesn't yield anything. You can also get into a lot of trouble with it.
sefO 10 December 2019
Agriculture achieved more than 40% nitrogen reduction, two-thirds of the industry does not even have a permit, so no nitrogen space either.
First, agriculture was put at a disadvantage by the government in favor of those who break the law.
I am curious what the European court thinks about this (what the Dutch court thinks about it can be guessed)
What are the rights of (farmer) people still worth in the Netherlands.
Kurt v Wheel 10 December 2019
I participate in this three times: not now, not later and never not. Too scared for words this. Those few ***** who come up with this ruin everything for the rest.
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cautiously positive 10 December 2019
wilem,
where can we get all our lost money through the supermarket and industry mafia?
arable farmer; that's exactly why it's quiet from Zeeland I think.
Fdf is almost all about nitrogen, latent space etc
Few livestock farmers here
It should be much wider.
Spraying hassle, less resources, registration, inspection of electrical sheds. asbestos remediation
disappear chlorine residue measurement detection limit you will soon be able to have everything that has come into contact with it cleaned if that is even possible (who pays for that?) more expensive germ inhibition who pays?
planet proof money consuming money increasing regulatory pressure.
can still go on
Pulling wider then many more do with it
young farmer 10 December 2019
I'm going to look for another job.....

But not because of the nitrogen. No, because of Mark and associates of the FDF! I'm ashamed of myself, I don't want to be part of this.

That language, really terrible! First the link of the FDF about the hunger winter and the policy of the government and now the consumer fears in the bosom around the festival of hope and tolerance.

It's just getting childish, please just go sell Christmas trees Mark. At least then we can continue with our work.

Because I am and will remain a farmer and my son may also simply become a farmer. If it's not with dairy cattle, I'm going to grow soy for veggie burgers. Lesson from economics: entrepreneurship means adapting. Those that don't (eg Free record shop and V&D) will perish.

Greetings dear fellow farmers (sounds much better than warriors ;-))



Peter Huppertz 10 December 2019
Extremely bad idea.

Support will arise within society for a tougher confrontation with the agricultural sector as an interest group. Partly right, because the FDF bases its "right" on "power and strength" with "hard actions", instead of substantive arguments, which have so far failed to convince the citizen.

I don't know if there are people around FDF who know who Arthur Scargill was. Look up that name, and ask yourself if that's how you want to go down. Can be arranged I'm afraid.
Geertje 10 December 2019
It's now or never for the farmers and all lto sleepers just stay home...
Geertje 10 December 2019
Yes, with your young farmer's attitude we will not achieve anything, I am also a young farmer myself.
Mark 10 December 2019
For those who write that it makes no sense.....
PLEASE MENTION WHAT YOUR SOLUTION IS IN THE TEXT BELOW YOUR COMMENTS...!
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Also a farmer 10 December 2019
@akkerboer: I agree with you. The fact that an important substance such as mancozeb is banned by Schouten, for only the Netherlands, is a complete failure for arable farming. I don't hear anyone talking about that. It puts us behind the other countries when it comes to potato cultivation. The first protest was about the entire agricultural policy. So I think that arable farmers are less willing to participate.
Geertje 10 December 2019
For example, Mark lets those know-it-alls mention their solutions and next steps rather than just react negatively...
Geertje 10 December 2019
Lou it's not smart to announce it already never heard of surprise effect ????????????
Burger feels cheated 10 December 2019
I fully support the farmers!
young farmer 10 December 2019
@ Mark and Geertje; keep in touch with the agricultural collective and public-friendly actions. As young farmers, let's all do volunteer work in care for a day, then you will get respect...

The pricing system needs to be overhauled, if that succeeds, the will to change for the benefit of the climate will also become a lot easier. And who wouldn't want to milk more cows at a better price or work fewer hours for a higher salary?

I have the will to change, because let's be honest, things could be better in certain areas. We only use nature when it suits us. And I'm not a saint either, but I realize that we all have to do our part. If that is to the detriment of my company for a small part, then I accept that.
Vincent 10 December 2019
Stupid, stupid, stupid, that 'hard action'. A small group of farmers is now going to ruin it for the rest. Our sector is on the eve of major changes, however you look at it. What you should in any case not lose is support and sympathy. You won't achieve anything with blocking actions. In addition, as a farmer you run a huge risk of damage claims by affected DCs and criminal prosecution. Hope that LTO will also take a quick and clear position on this: protesting is allowed, blocking is not allowed.
Rick 10 December 2019
I'm sorry, but a number of things don't sit well with me with this "organization".

First: The name... Farmers(I get it) Defense Force, really? As far as I know there is no war going on in the Netherlands? in addition, this paramilitary name sounds quite aggressive, which is also apparent from the announced action.

Second: On their own website, the FDF blows quite high about the legal system in the Netherlands, regarding the occupation in Boxtel. Rightly or wrongly, I'll leave it in the middle.
However! In my opinion, to set up similar campaigns yourself is not only wrong, but also a bit schizophrenic.

Third: De Baudet's statements are in no way substantiated with REAL figures, so using the "€1000 billion" statement as an argument is simply ridiculous!

Fourth: Against whom and for what exactly are we campaigning? The government for the nitrogen? a better revenue model? the economy? or against the entire population? That last one doesn't seem right to me! They have to do with the same government, rising taxes on energy, fuel and so on. In fact, the sympathy that now prevails among the population will disappear like snow in the sun.

Finally: The rhetoric... Come on people, "climate salafists", "We don't want to be driven from the land of our ancestors!", "They can take our companies, drive us from our land but they can't take our honor away We will fight to the end and far beyond!”
Not for one thing or another, but at the FDF they sound like Salafists who have watched Braveheart just too often with an Indian headdress on their head.

Then what? That's what keeps me busy, maybe we should overhaul the agricultural sector?
Less production for abroad? or are you going to produce abroad? Want to buy out and embark on a new adventure?

I really have no idea! But if we all blindly follow this disorganized working group, nothing positive will happen!
Dirk 10 December 2019
Totally agree Rick, complex problems have no simple solutions. Except in the rhetoric of populists and rioters. Here we already canceled the LTO membership before October 1, because people uncritically followed the hard liners. The support is completely stoked in this way.
W Bemelmans 10 December 2019
Don't let people fool you, but take action and hard, because that government is laughing at you, they have kept you on a leash long enough, flatten as much as possible and persist, watch the French do it. that's the only option. good luck with it.
Johan 10 December 2019
Just throw things flat, because in Denhaag they are alone with themselves
busy .packers.
Henk 10 December 2019
I too see FDF as rioters.
The only legitimate remedy you have is to choose.
The CDA has been failing for years and now CU and SGP are making love again with VVD.
Wilders keeps busy with his FOREIGNERS and the only one who gives us chances is Baudet.
The N legislation can only be stopped in the 1st Chamber.
It is even RED that wants to block, but for other reasons.
Give Baudet his chances and the others will be forced to think along.
until here and no further 10 December 2019
Rickje doesn't quite get it, no war? What do you want to call it if there is no future perspective left?
Gert 10 December 2019
Young farmer's wife. Especially young ones, you have just come to see and do not know how many times a farmer has already had to adapt to the requirements invented behind a desk, from people who have absolutely no understanding of farmers or the environment. And you want to start growing soy for all veggies. Go ahead, the whole leftist clique in this country has only one goal to take the land from the farmers and build houses there for asylum seekers. That the ordinary citizen can pay again. The whole nitrogen story is made up including the whole climate madness. Changing climates is something of all ages. Time for a new peasant revolution. Bravo FDF.
Willie van Gemert 10 December 2019
Firm action is necessary, anyone who has been behind the past approach of talking and talking and admitting again knows that that approach has come to naught. It is time for a different approach: the beech in it together as wide as possible.
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Floor de Jong Bergambacht 10 December 2019
Come on guys!

Have a little faith in the FDF... They have already organized some nice and useful actions. It was ALSO very negative about it beforehand. Everyone who rides is just responsible for his own actions just like the previous times and then it went fine!

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that you don't even want to put YOUR OWN NAME with your message. Such sneaky ones certainly don't have to comment on Mark van den Oever or Jeroen van Maanen!!

OZO
Geertje 10 December 2019
Young farmer what a lot of nonsense you are spouting the solution is according to you let us as young farmers work in care for a day
only then do you get respect.
Well that respect is correct I know I have been working in healthcare for years but what the hell does that have to do with the nitrogen problem ???????
Werner 10 December 2019
Since the agricultural sector in the Netherlands no longer has a proper stand organization, this is basically the only option for attention.
The worldwide shutdown of the last distribution for the end user, we will not get the consumer's hands together for that. But from the moment that it is clear and becomes what the actual numbers are of nitrogen, chemicals and other related items in relation to the large non-agricultural industry, it will be understood that the current peasantry is not as stupid as many people think.
So my opinion is also action in this country !
Rick 10 December 2019
@until here and no further

"What do you want to call it if there is no future perspective left?"
At least no war! In addition, I think there is plenty of prospects for the future, just maybe not in the way we are used to.


ps 10 December 2019
Agree with Willie, talk and knit and ride from the end, put your shoulders together that leads to a miracle.

Every effort pays off
The future depends on what you do today
Look for a purpose, the meaning will follow
There's-enough-for-everybody's-need-but-not-enough-for-everyone's-greed- Quotes and Wisdom From Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was Indian political leader,
Geertje 10 December 2019
Vincent you are definitely an LTO man: talk talk admit and especially collect government subsidy to keep the peasants quiet........
frans 10 December 2019
willem and vincent are pants shit don't make me laugh AH and Jumbo have earned more than enough about our backs disgusting. and you agree something has to be done and quickly also retail chains have way too much power and yes marbles they like porridge of time for change and improvement is that normal that you have to work below cost.....??? You don't see this anywhere, hourly invoice shops should realize that we are the backbone of the economy without us no prosperity. but empty shops mss there will be movement
Farm stays 10 December 2019
set crv
Of
Your vet
Of
For farmers of the Heus
Of
Your contractor
Is dissatisfied and blocks your yard
What are you doing then ?
Then they can never come back, right?

You are their customer nml

We are the suppliers to the retailers and they are our customer

Does the coin fall? So nice and smart work FDF.

Occupy that race track of the prince in Zandvoort, then you will get everything and everyone with you
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Floor de Jong Bergambacht 10 December 2019
Come on guys!

Have a little faith in the FDF... They have already organized some nice and useful actions. It was ALSO very negative about it beforehand. Everyone who rides is just responsible for his own actions just like the previous times and then it went fine!

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that you don't even want to put YOUR OWN NAME with your message. Such sneaky ones certainly don't have to comment on Mark van den Oever or Jeroen van Maanen!!

OZO
Minerva the owl 10 December 2019
I think it would be a good idea to make improvements to the revenue model of the agricultural sector. Starting to end subsidies and make it a fair market. A sector whose revenue model depends on subsidies has no right to exist.

Blocking supermarket distribution centers is also such a thing. When you have the balls, you stop the delivery of your product and you don't frustrate things at the end of the chain.

It is best that there is something to criticize about the policy that is being conducted in the Netherlands. But then use pure arguments, and not the nonsense of the FDF.

What do you think of the argument of failed subsidy policy, and the alternatives that are put forward (parental care and education). What a nonsense. In the next round of elections, vote for a party that represents your interests.

Finally, the rhetoric of FDF. How seriously should you take a club that wants to present itself in this way?
jpkievit 10 December 2019
Today, December 11, 2019, the members of parliament appointed by us are talking about declaration behavior while workable nitrogen and crop protection products are still far from a workable solution.
FakeEntrepreneurs 10 December 2019
Don't be surprised if the people turn against you and some farmers get injured. Don't feel sorry for you.
Farmer without land 10 December 2019
Borders closed milk tank tap open so that the dairy giants also come to a standstill and can no longer get milk from abroad, then The Hague will
Skirt 10 December 2019
Farmers are injured on a daily basis, and something happens to those who work. And the people are the most sensible people, a small obstinate part think they have a monopoly on wisdom and scream like a bunch of monkeys the greatest nonsense. Maybe an idea to house those monkeys in a nature reserve, for them good for us.
a real farmer 10 December 2019
how should it be??? Everyone has a lot of comments but they don't know anything. but a target audience that are real entrepreneurs and that is farmers .working under high pressure and many rules weeks of 90 hours or more are standard and then can't make ends meet.... How dare you say the people are turning against you oh, o respect you have then everyone has to eat but the producer himself also forgets that it is not possible it is not good for good then bad for good . so you call that underpaying customers? if you do not pay your contractor or livestock for 2 years, they will also lock your company. the loss until there are no more 10 others. tell me clearly if I get 0,7 cents for my leek and it is in the store for 1,80 then I call that exploiting/extorting and then you want us to hand out balloons to the citizen and that we knees ask the (Customer IF WE CAN SUPPLY AGAIN NEXT YEAR...…… )Open your eyes
keep farming 10 December 2019
The milk giants are your factory and ensure that our milk is sold
Tesla doesn't smash its own car window, or a chip shop doesn't piss in his deep fryer
The rmo is not your customer
Piet 10 December 2019
If I read everything above. Then you notice that a lot of people still don't realize where the real problem comes from. 20 years ago, Brussels thought that 30 million people should live in the Netherlands. With nature recreation and quick money. So shel and such companies. Why do you think that all industry is not covered in the nitrogen story. Airport in Lelystad needs to be bigger and just keep going. So it fits a whole group of policymakers very well that the agricultural sector is gradually disappearing. So don't expect much from it as long as rutte stays in place. A nexit as soon as possible and hope that the dark ones and danes come along too. And you can make your own policy again. But other than that I'll be all concerned. We've been handed over to a bunch of 1 day flying for years. So let go
Sat 10 December 2019
The policy of the VVD in action. Why did so many people vote for that party?
Color 10 December 2019
Don't think it's appropriate to disrupt society! Block The Hague...
Minerva the owl 10 December 2019
I think it would be a good idea to make improvements to the revenue model of the agricultural sector. Starting to end subsidies and make it a fair market. A sector whose revenue model depends on subsidies has no right to exist.

Blocking supermarket distribution centers is also such a thing. When you have the balls, you stop the delivery of your product and you don't frustrate things at the end of the chain.

It is best that there is something to criticize about the policy that is being conducted in the Netherlands. But then use pure arguments, and not the nonsense of the FDF.

What do you think of the argument of failed subsidy policy, and the alternatives that are put forward (parental care and education). What a nonsense. In the next round of elections, vote for a party that represents your interests.

Finally, the rhetoric of FDF. How seriously should you take a club that wants to present itself in this way?
Gert 10 December 2019
Young farmer's wife. Especially young ones, you have just come to see and do not know how many times a farmer has already had to adapt to the requirements invented behind a desk, from people who have absolutely no understanding of farmers or the environment. And you want to start growing soy for all veggies. Go ahead, the whole leftist clique in this country has only one goal to take the land from the farmers and build houses there for asylum seekers. That the ordinary citizen can pay again. The whole nitrogen story is made up including the whole climate madness. Changing climates is something of all ages. Time for a new peasant revolution. Bravo FDF.
daniel 10 December 2019
cor will have to!! the rest doesn't work have been to the hague several times there must be a big shock effect then maybe there will be movement. then the bourgeoisie will probably feel for a few days what the farmers have felt for many years!
bull 10 December 2019
Rick, young farmer's wife, Vincent, totally agree with your comment.
I also just read the reactions on Nu.nl to the article about the announced actions of FDF. There are many, more than 400 now, and for the most part alarmingly negative about the farmers. All the accumulated credit evaporates even with the announcement of the actions. Until now, politicians have hesitated with strict measures because they were surprised by the great degree of sympathy that the citizen showed in October towards the first actions of the peasants.
However, if FDF believes that it has to hinder the citizen in his food supply with his actions, the government will only feel strengthened by the same citizen in a radical approach to the agricultural sector.
chubby farmer 10 December 2019
I think it's fantastic, another action. I hope it causes a huge nuisance and really hurts a lot of people.
With the more and more decreasing sympathy for your persistent pathetic behavior, the chance increases that you will encounter significant aggression.
Success!
shoemakers 1 10 December 2019
Normal reactions do not appear on nu.nl, have been trying to post regularly there, they are only a conduit for what the government wants
Peter Jansen 10 December 2019
The FDF farmers are not the smartest! Foresight saw it coming for years. Times are changing and farmers have to move with them. And the biggest problem lies with the "cocks" among the farmers. Big, bigger the biggest is by definition not the right way. For dairy farmers, grazing will probably be compulsory. That is not applicable for most large companies.
Bram 10 December 2019
Then why attack the citizens.
Unpack again at Malieveld or attempt a coup.
As a citizen I also work very hard, but I can't buy a house like the farmers, or a big car in front of the door.
I just have to work for a little money left over in the month.
You peasants are taking the citizens and not the state in this way, right?
chubby farmer 10 December 2019
I think it's fantastic, another action. I hope it causes a huge nuisance and really hurts a lot of people.
With the more and more decreasing sympathy for your persistent pathetic behavior, the chance increases that you will encounter significant aggression.
Success!
Bert 10 December 2019
If democracy (had) done its job well, this would not be necessary.
The media is already doing its job again, sowing division.
NOW CONTINUE
bram has no chance 10 December 2019
you work as a wage slave put yourself in the shoes of the farmer always take a risk never be appreciated think you can't last a week, the Netherlands will not win the war with such hopeless people just like you there is only one here in the Netherlands target group that has a backbone and that is farmers. and what are you complaining about the farmers dude the state takes you all your life !! and that is okay?? you don't understand the farmers are tired of it and then there is also begrudging you can also have a house / farm / car of 11 years old if we received a cost-covering price for our product from tomorrow, but that is not possible with this government ... so do we have to ask for attention in this way simple it's not going otherwise get it man
Geertje 10 December 2019
Piet Jansen the FDF farmers are not the smartest what do you base that on??
I am highly educated but I can't stand injustice.....
Show 10 December 2019
first use the mind, is no action now celebrate a peaceful Christmas first, and think during the Christmas dinner how to proceed
Burger feels cheated 10 December 2019
Demands have been imposed on farmers for years without being paid for and we as citizens are being fooled by the Supermarkets and therefore support this action.
Drikus 10 December 2019
I do not see the point of blocking distribution centa for supermarkets . I as a customer buy my product a few days earlier . And if everyone does that , the stock has to be replenished sooner and the demand on the days of blocking and the day after is also less . By announcing this you are warning anyone who thinks the centa is being bulged . In fact , you have already disrupted them in normal business operations without anything having happened . I would rather paralyze the tax authorities or government collection agency or such agencies. And free potatoes, fruit, onions, etc. handing out . It does cost money, but has a negative effect on the turnover of the large gritters. You have to take hard actions against the people who want to kill you. In this nitrogen story , that is the government . Most citizens are also ignorant and like anyone who is not close to fire are stupid and kept as poor as possible . In many cases it is more about laws and regulations than about reality. If you misspell a word and it does not fit into the picture, you are sometimes already a froudeur. And the media is exaggerating a bit. What does the average citizen know about laws and regulations? Then you can not blame him or her for not seeing things as good behavior sometimes. But quietly, most see how fair the politicians are to explain everything to their own advantage. And sometimes filling their own pockets in a way that they themselves disapprove of with the public and sometimes dismiss it as a fraud . So try to keep the citizen on the hand, the weaker the bag fillers in The Hague become. Let the supermarkets start complaining that they have less turnover . Give away a lot of stuff for free for a few weeks .
chubby farmer 10 December 2019
Highly educated and yet these kinds of stupid actions.. Apparently highly educated doesn't mean anything anymore. If you really have sense you will go along in the transformation that is needed instead of putting yourself in jeopardy with your trigger..
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Other Vincent 10 December 2019
Definitely up for action. It is time that we as Dutch farmers are allowed to produce what we as Dutch citizens are allowed to consume.
We eat food produced in, for example, Brazil, China, or the Eastern Bloc. This has not happened under the same conditions as we impose on the Dutch farmers, but apparently it is good enough for our citizens to eat???????
Jb 10 December 2019
We are going for it we have to show our advocates that we support them and send a signal they know in the politik that we are not giving up
Geertje 10 December 2019
Bolle farmer I have a strong feeling that you have nothing to do with the sector at all, do you work in a supermarket??


Dr. Jacob 10 December 2019
As a farmer's son, I thought farmers were smart. It is not obvious from all those messages. One stupid comment after another. To imitate each other, to outdo each other. Hardly anyone uses her own name; † It has all the appearance of inbreeding. This is what current business operations look like: everything of the same. That's the real problem. Change is necessary to avoid inbreeding. Own fault that farmers are in trouble.
keep farming 10 December 2019
Once again
Block our prince's toy, the new F1 in Zandvoort. Then you will get a lot of nl and embarrass our royal family
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Best 11 December 2019
no one here knows exactly what is going to happen. as a farmer you are there yourself you are not going to put the knife in your own meat are you? sitting at home complaining doesn't really help either or talking about nitrogen at parties doesn't really help either. December 18 you can take to the streets to stand up for your shit and show what you stand for with sense and your own adhere to the rules. at 6.00 you hear where to go if you don't like it then you go back home it's that easy talking about everything that might not come at all is of little use. I would appeal to all colleagues that we farm with as many as possible and that we do not let ourselves be walked over, transfer those nitrogen tears to combativeness and make sure you are there on December 18th!!!
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crow 11 December 2019
Completely agree with Drikus, do not hinder our customers in any way, but hinder the government with strikes. I would also like to thank everyone who puts their time and energy into preparations for actions and consultations.
HENRY 11 December 2019
THERE ARE MANY TRADERS COMMENTS HERE WHO ARE Afraid TO FAIL WITH THEIR TRADE. SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POOR CITIZENS I THINK THERE WILL BE 6 DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS SO TIME ENOUGH TO MEET JULIE OZO IMPORTANT NEEDS THANKS TO THE FARMER
Arie 11 December 2019
Be careful try to explain to society how much nitrogen we convert into products, so that it becomes clear that we are one of the few sectors that does produce nitrogen, but needs it to be able to produce.
Glass 11 December 2019
The politicians, including the minister, can go to sleep again.
The farmers will kill each other.
Divide and conquer, never been before.
Joep 11 December 2019
@young farmer "because let's be honest, it could be better on certain points."
I think most would like this too. But now everything has to be locked with steam and boiling water, due to the greens.

No government can allow itself to be imposed by a judge, especially not at the insistence of a group of 'non-valeurs', people who have never produced anything other than paper, shouting and threats.
chubby farmer 11 December 2019
Go ahead, take action..
I'm going to sit down with a bowl of popcorn and watch how things get out of hand and you get pulled out of your tractor en masse and picked up. And then you are lucky that it ends relatively well.
Better than the cinema!

Action! Action!
H Tiemessen 11 December 2019
The best defense is to stir up division in the enemy's camp
This is what is now being done by the Dutch government
Agricultural Netherlands, ATTENTION
Drikus 11 December 2019
Dear Henry . Do not think that the large-scale growers will take sides with the farmers in this nitrogen frenzy. They only look at turnover and low purchase prices. If it does not come from the Netherlands, people will buy elsewhere. So I don't think blocking them has any effect on politics either. Get to the government directly . For example, when Mr. W vd Brink, who unfortunately died too early, in Assen removed the manure accounting and his followers without violence. Then it hit. As a minister, I would not lie awake if an AH or Jumbo or anyone else had a few days less in the store. That is their risk and they are already threatening to recover it if something happens . All the energy you put in here is just too much in my opinion and won't solve anything. Just shut down the government that deals with nitrogen. Do they have all the permits in order themselves. What are they doing to reduce emissions, etc. And I, as a customer, would say if supermarkets have been warned, they should fill the warehouses at the stores extra in the days before and from abroad there will also be are possibilities.
DS (not a farmer, but also not a suburban dweller) 11 December 2019
"[...] doesn't quite get it, no war? What do you want to call it if there is no future perspective left at all?"

The following is probably not a popular opinion on this platform.

Many industries have gone under in the past. The simplest example is the mines in Limburg. Or factories for things that are no longer in demand, such as light bulbs.

That is of course very sad for the people who work there, but there are few people who will argue with dry eyes that such mines/factories should be kept open, even when they no longer serve any social or economic benefit.

I find it downright bizarre that Dutch farmers are pretty much the most modern, industrialized and educated representatives of their profession around the world, while at the same time refusing to recognize that economic and social realities can sometimes be detrimental to them (just like for everyone else). Instead, they speak of a conspiracy and claim that the silent majority of the population supports them in everything.

Now it is often about the nitrogen problem, the existence of which is sometimes denied (personally I think Baudet is a huge ****, and I would never be happy with his support)
But what I mention above is not a new phenomenon, is it? Are there any FDF supporters here who dare to agree that a farm is no better (or less valuable) than any other company, and that like any other company it can ever be 'forced' to stop because they are overtaken by reality?
shoemakers 1 11 December 2019
Dear, how can you say that the farmers here are the best and everything else, but then immediately conclude that it is quite normal for them to rot, it is still not that no farmers are needed, but here we are getting so much unnecessary cost increases imposed that reality is completely gone, but if you understood even a little bit of the matter you would not write such a stupid comment, the comment about Baudet also makes sense, but we will just say that you wanted to do something interesting in a drunken mood
DS (not a farmer, but also not a suburban dweller) 11 December 2019
Shoemaker, was that meant as a response to my text?

I hope not, because that would make it look rather sad.
jean 12 December 2019
we farmers have to start selling our products in front of the supermarkets en masse next week, so that the consumer can see who is taking off with our money.
Bob 12 December 2019
I've said it before, we also export all the food we produce and keep the border closed for import in consultation with our Belgian and German colleagues.
We are not obliged to deliver at any price!
Karel 12 December 2019
I actually don't understand what some people are worried about, 1 day of not buying food is not so bad, if the livestock has to be halved, everyone can get used to this
shoemakers 1 12 December 2019
Yes DS, I also think you are very sorry for you, so it came across well, great, next time do something with it. Free advice, nice to have for you
Geertje 12 December 2019
Ds what a big nonsense you are spewing bah like to have knowledge when you respond to this forum ...
Ton Westgeest 12 December 2019
Many industries have gone under in the past. The simplest example is the mines in Limburg. Or factories for things that are no longer in demand, such as light bulbs.

How sad that there are people in this civilized world who compare agriculture to the coal mines, Alibaba or a light bulb factory.

You can understand it better, when you know that there is so much stupidity, that it has become such a mess everywhere!!

While we have been providing food and bread to the table for centuries, your consumers are only concerned with the wealth you have created to help the world move towards God.

You with your flying behavior all over the globe, you are ruining the air! You are ruining the environment with your buying behaviour. You are ruining the climate with your mobility and energy behaviour......

Keep chopping on the farmers who keep the Netherlands a bit livable, who maintain the landscape and take care of your food!!!!

It's going to look a lot different in the future, not that I think you care about your kids....

chubby farmer 12 December 2019
Very interesting..
Mr Ton thinks he is not a consumer himself. He apparently never travels and has never flown. He does not share in the wealth that the non-farmers have provided. As if he can do without the rest of the population. Yes, the consumer society is sickening and needs to change. But don't talk about 'you consumers' as if he isn't himself. If he thinks he is not a consumer himself, then Ton already indicates that he is very far removed from society. With him probably the rest of the protesting peasants, and therein lies the problem. It is time for these farmers to realize that they are part of society and that non-farmers work just as hard and are not always well off. Everyone works to survive.
Besides, farmers don't maintain nature, they demolish it. Even their own land. (Actually there is hardly anyone who really maintains nature, not even municipalities. They only organize it according to their own wishes).

The behaviour, the attitude of these farmers (luckily they are not all the same) ensures that they invoke this misunderstanding and resistance. Get real, FDF children, we are all equally important, you are no more or less than others.
Agriculture and livestock farming simply play a major role in the nitrogen problem and the only way to change that is radical changes. And not only there, other industries have to believe it too.
But even when that happens, you continue to complain, as we saw with construction.
No wonder the non-farmers are throwing you up in the meantime.

Good luck with your self-destruction, you're on your way to the slaughterhouse.


Proponent 12 December 2019
I fully support the actions of December 18!! That only makes people creative, to empty the cupboards and make something nice on the table for Christmas!! Just look what can be done in an emergency!!! We don't have it that bad in the Netherlands yet, but it is made difficult for us by politics! It's about time they really started doing something in The Hague!! It's amazing that they can keep the entire population on a leash for so long!!
Ton Westgeest 12 December 2019
Mr Ton thinks he is not a consumer himself. He apparently never travels and has never flown. He does not share in the wealth that the non-farmers have provided. As if he can do without the rest of the population.

Yes Bolle I can do without, I'm sitting here with my cycle and I don't need anyone .... you can't say that can you??? I don't fly and you can love the prosperity you promote from me too....

I cycle a lot, I am off the gas and do not use tap water.... And I am completely self-sufficient. Who is self-destructive now??? You short-sighted consumers????

This week in the AD: fruit from abroad with toxic pesticides!!!, vegetables from abroad with agricultural poison!!!, meat from abroad with hormones and antibiotics!!!, Chlorine chicken from abroad!!!! also with fertility hormones!!!

How do you think everyone gets all kinds of cancer at the moment, that one in three is gay/gender, that there are all kinds of allergies.... A lot of lung diseases. All have a wood-burning stove, all are subsidized and screw things up with waste and biomass. Ruining our landscape and thus the whole society!!!

Keep it up like this!!! there were farmers before you ****** consumers... and...there will be farmers until the very end!!!!!
Peter 12 December 2019
Too pathetic for words!!!!
Long live the circular farmer!
Down with the big earners in agriculture!
chubby farmer 12 December 2019
Ton, then you are one of the few people and farmers I have a lot of admiration for. The consumer market has become moronic, far too much disposable rubbish and everyone does it without thinking.
Although I am sure that you also depend on today's technology, do you not have a mobile phone or PC with which you respond to this site?

It concerns the vast majority of farmers who are not nearly as conscious as you are. But refuse to see that it is no longer possible to produce non-organic on such a large scale. With all the poison just spray everything to death, way too many cattle in the stables with too many emissions. And angrily shouting that it isn't. Those who do not see that things have to be different, or who see that but do not want to.

And it is not only the farmers who have to get rid of the large-scale intensive, it is also the rest of the population who have to accept the associated higher cost.
Export less, which means that less production needs to be done, it can be grown in a much more environmentally friendly way with less costs for poison, for example. Receive normal prices and then also earn the corresponding respect.

In short, it has to be different. Farmers who refuse to see that and can only demonstrate angrily get no respect from me. Nor the people who are not willing to pay fairer prices for their food. Perhaps they throw away less food.
Peter 12 December 2019
Nicely said!
Peter 12 December 2019
That's what I mean sssss
Also apply censorship and delete messages
And never put a hand in a bosom
Bah
Marie 12 December 2019
FDF, seems to be turning into a criminal organization. One step further, they grab their pitchforks or firearms. So keep an eye on it, especially the simple souls among them. We must stop FDF, whatever it may cost. Let the farmers clean up their mess before talking about their high quality products. Farmers abroad are less polluting than here.
Ton Westgeest 12 December 2019
That's what I mean Bolle, for heaven's sake be happy that you can get good products in your own country, with little poison compared to abroad. All that other food has to be transported here, with the associated pollution!!

I'm not saying that things can be improved here and there, but think before you say something.
The farmers really want to go in the right direction, but are pushed in all directions, by the bank: bigger otherwise you won't get any money. Because of the dairy, more because we have to grow. By the government, bigger or you will not receive a subsidy. By the supermarkets. Due to the LTO larger, otherwise you no longer count. By the government with all its backward rules and levies.

Twenty hours work seven days a week, while the majority of you part-time, already in three or four days, already reach your hours.

In any case, I make a deep bow to those who want to keep it up for another twenty years, and then also under these circumstances....
FDF supporter 12 December 2019
Dear FDF members,
I heard this afternoon about the existence of the AntiFDF.
This violent organization aims to frustrate and sabotage the FDF actions through infiltration and bribery. That process is now at an advanced stage. The leaked information regarding action locations is already known to AFDF members and government, as well as the degree of armament. I just wanted to mention that you can't just trust your own size anymore.
Good luck with the action, but be careful.


DS 12 December 2019
"How sad that there are people in this civilized world who compare agriculture to the coal mines, Alibaba or a light bulb factory."

I think this is a sad response. Too bad you don't bother to answer the question at the end of my post. But I can do that for you.

You clearly feel elevated above the normal assholes living in the Netherlands. Other industries may suffer from economic setbacks, increased regulatory pressure, other changes with the worst consequence of closure and job losses.

That is *not* allowed for farmers. Very strange that some of 'you' think they can count on the support of the people, who regard you less than yourself. Understandably, some of you think that you can only get this 'support' by putting the knife to the throat of society.

Anyway, at least your responses in these discussions are fair. But you don't have to count on my support.
chubby farmer 12 December 2019
The protesting farmers don't want to go anywhere, at least not the right way. Abroad, there is plenty to get unsprayed vegetables, just keep it clean.
Your totally incorrect image about 'you' who already get their hours done with part-time is really too idiotic for words, you are indeed too far removed from society and indicate the expected level of the FDF. †
DS 12 December 2019
(Young farmer's wife)
"Because I am and will remain a farmer and my son may also just become a farmer. If it is not with dairy cattle I will grow soy for veggie burgers. Lesson on economics: entrepreneurship means adapting. Those who do not (e.g. Free record shop and V&D) will perish."

Fortunately, there are farmers like you who understand how society works. Unfortunately you are underrepresented here.
Ton Westgeest 12 December 2019
Hey Bolle in the AD hear....I'm not making it up!!

fruits from abroad with toxic pesticides!!!, vegetables from abroad with agricultural poisons!!!, meat from abroad with hormones and antibiotics!!!, chlorinated chicken from abroad!!!! also with fertility hormones!!!

I don't like you either!!! Enjoy your dinner
Marie 12 December 2019
Yes, certainly, a lot of filth comes from abroad and especially from outside the EU. But NL farmers do produce the most nitrogen per ha and account for 2/3 of NL nitrogen emissions. Although that was 20% more 40 years ago. The products may be better, but the production process is the dirtiest. And that has to stop. So FDF is fighting a losing battle, which is also dirty.
Ton Westgeest 13 December 2019
Marietje... the ammonia from our cows is very healthy, I am never sick or have a cold. Everything grows from it. The people and animals can not do without.....
In the past, children came to stay who were sick, they had asthma or lung problems. They had to sleep in the attic above the cows. After a few months they often went home completely better!!

You're still comparing two types of nitrogen, you're doing it to cleanse yourself. All on holiday, sometimes 2 or 3 times by plane. Not cycling but nice and easy by car. All ordering shoes from Zalando and gifts from Alibaba. That is all nitrogen NOx, where you get lung problems from COPD and ASthma. And it's such a shame you can't live more, with less wealth!!!

Take a look in India or Bangladesh, you often can't see the other side of the street....and you have to wear a mouth cap!

Don't be brainwashed by those action groups, go and think.....
Marie 13 December 2019
Ton does not forget the drama with the virus about 5 years ago. Nitrogen is like eating too much, it can lead to obesity. In the past, the number of animals was much less. Your comparison doesn't hold. Denial is a well-known psychological phenomenon in ******
chubby farmer 13 December 2019
'Ammonia is very healthy'
haha that's a good one...

arable farmer 13 December 2019
Why do I read everywhere that farmers are going to block things at Christmas? I myself would rather read, livestock farmers block things at Christmas!
When I read all the points, I think that it really is a cattle rancher's party, and I would like to see it presented in such a way that the arable farmers and horticulturists are not looked at.
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