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'CIPC cleaning is grower's responsibility'

7 January 2020 - Anne Jan Doorn - 49 comments

Farmers are obliged to have barns in which the sprout inhibitor Chlorprofam has been used cleaned. The Association for the Potato Processing Industry (Vavi) includes this in its purchasing conditions. With this, the organization wants to point out to the grower his responsibility, says Hylke Brunt, secretary of the Vavi.

The detection limit of the agent will most likely be 0,01 ppm. Although an application has been made for a temporarily increased detection limit, the European Commission wants the European potato sector to make every effort to thoroughly clean storage sheds.

Because the risk of contamination is great, Vavi also wants all potatoes purchased by its members (the French fries industry) to come from cleaned sheds. De Vavi therefore states in a statement that it has amended its purchasing conditions with the following conditions:

  1. Potatoes from harvest 2020 and later may not be treated with agents based on the active ingredient Chlorpropham and potatoes must comply with the applicable legislation.
  2. If the seller delivers potatoes that have been stored in storage sheds for delivery, the potatoes must come from a storage suitable for consumption potatoes, which has been cleaned to prevent contamination with products based on Chlorpropham that were used in the past.
  3. The seller of potatoes that will be stored before delivery will make every effort to thoroughly clean the storage sheds with accessories such as fans, air ducts and boxes, etc. before the 2020 harvest, partly within the framework of due care.
  4. The seller of potatoes that will be stored has an obligation to inform the customer(s) about the maximum effort for thorough cleaning, no later than the time of delivery.

Boerenbusiness Hylke Brunt, the secretary of the Vavi, asked for an explanation.

For arable farmers, this feels more or less as if the responsibility is shifted entirely onto them. What do you think of that?
"I think that is unjustified. We are aware that we have to work together. That is also the reason for the publication of this statement. We notice that people are mainly referring to us as a processing industry. We must take responsibility for removing Chlorpropham. "But we are pointing out to the growers that they also have a responsibility themselves. We have already initiated research. We do this to show good stewardship, but in the end we have to do it together."

The European Commission points out that the entire European potato chain must resolve this. However, it seems that the grower has to do everything. What does the rest of the chain do?
"It is what it is for the entire sector. Just like the grower, the trade must also take responsibility, just like us. We support the grower in the research. The export is up to the grower. The risk of contamination must be reduced and that applies to everyone."

This means a significantly higher cost price for arable farmers. Do they see this reflected in the contract prices for their potatoes?
"I want to state that prices are not discussed within the VAVI. We assume that the market will solve this. And if you didn't see this coming, you must have been living under a rock. What I do know is that from "There will be no additional payment to the collective of the VAVI. This statement should be seen more as an interpretation of the rules and also serves to raise awareness. It is clear that everyone must comply with the rules."

The statement does not mention how a customer deals with exceeding the standard. Can you say something about this?
"That is actually still too early. LTO has suggested that there should be a more relaxed regime. But the essence is that the potatoes may not be processed in the event of contamination. The potatoes are then incinerated. The grower is therefore not paid for contaminated potatoes. And furthermore, the general purchasing conditions simply apply, which also deal with individual liability. The further conditions of the individual customer may also apply."

De Vavi conducts research into how best to clean the sheds. How is this investigation progressing?
"We are investigating the residue level in barns in which no CIPC was used last season. We are also looking at the best cleaning method. We expect the results to be known at the end of February, early March. spring is definitely the time for cleaning, the barns must of course be cleaned before sanding again."

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Anne-Jan Doorn

Anne Jan Doorn is an arable expert at Boerenbusiness. He writes about the various arable farming markets and also focuses on the land and energy market.
Comments
49 comments
Belgian 7 January 2020
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
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stupid farmers who grow potatoes for a lower contract price with all the extra quality requirements
soap 7 January 2020
the soup is never eaten so hot…………….
sweep the shed (as always) and you're done
Piet 7 January 2020
Well, not all that exciting. The bookkeeper has set up the flop, for example. Nicely loaded with debts at the end of 2019 so that there is certainly nothing to be gained and TikTakBoem Patatten simply goes bankrupt if there are problems with residues (or drought).
Flip 7 January 2020
The VAVI happily joins in the talk of the environmental departments of this world. It is a pity that farmers cannot be aligned otherwise they would receive a large quantity of potatoes less in the near future. We've been cramming 50% chlorpropam into our digestive tract for about 100 years, no one has ever been turned upside down with his or her health. The drug has been banned from now on and that in itself is a good thing, after all, when there are more friendly means for people and the environment, then we should not close our eyes to them. However, it is foolish to impose an unworkable PFAS-like regulation on it. The product is no longer permitted and is therefore no longer used, the residue in the end product is completely negligible compared to the past. The farmer is now going to do his best to clean his barn, doing your best has a different meaning for everyone. Suppose a residue sample is taken which is approved, it can just go wrong with a new sample at the chip shop, guess who is the Sjaak here? The VAVI has the same interests as the grower, as an organization they have to stand up for the farmers in consultation with the EC, since they are a small group, it is much easier to come out as one voice.

When it starts to itch the directors in their own wallet, they want to scratch....

The solution is as simple as it is cheap;

"You won't find what you don't seek."

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crow 7 January 2020
It is therefore not possible to sign a contract with these conditions.
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Equal monks 7 January 2020
Dear Hylke,
Hopefully farmers will be treated the same as the French fries industry.
And as of August 1, no more old frozen fries will be sold and only new fries will be sold. Because you can't afford to still sell old fries with the high standards (with CIPC).

Please answer how this is handled.
Or are we just being pulled out a leg.
Leo 7 January 2020
#Equal monks: Of course, only the peasants are pulled a leg.
buyer 7 January 2020
That the factory will cooperate with this 0,0 standard is crazy, only Europe is the sjaak minus the UK. Why burn potatoes they can still go overseas or to the UK
teacher neat 7 January 2020
find that foul language of the VAVI
potatoes 7 January 2020
It is well known among organic farmers. That you can no longer use old barns. Not even after cleaning. Breaking down all the insulation is the only solution or building a new shed. In short, be warned.

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jantje 7 January 2020
miss neat wrote:
find that foul language of the VAVI
Indeed, from the tone this gentleman strikes, you can distil the arrogance towards their suppliers, the farmers. Just as the nobility used to treat their serfs.
shoemakers1 7 January 2020
Dear potatoes, and added to that that the organic regulations do not actually have to comply with anything, see the current phosphate rules, organic may fertilize 10 kg more phosphate, despite the fact that less grows, so less absorption, pure discrimination, what a scum is our government
farmer is stupid 7 January 2020
The vavi method in this is equivalent to their contact terms. Record everything well on paper so that they can work well with it or slide it off themselves. Then with a verbal reassurance that we have to realize it together....!!! They call it chain thinking. haha
asterisk 8 January 2020
the difference between farmers and industry;
farmers are going to have this discussion on a forum...
industry does it at the conference table...
I myself am building a new barn with the leftover money from last season. (could build 2). i never make contract and am very happy man.
belg 8 January 2020
then you have invested zero in recent years, otherwise you will have no money left... the average grower is broke. but good tough boy that you like these developments despite the sector is sick and with these developments on top of it sick
frog 8 January 2020
I foresee a lot of coincidence fires in storage areas in the near future, just place the swingfog a little closer to the insulation??? This is the only way to start clean!
fries baron 8 January 2020
With 1.4 Insigt a lot of inside shot now. In America, grostop can be used for another 15 years. In Europe it will become a big mess.
evers 8 January 2020
2 years ago a large storage facility was built for € 700.000 calculation was to earn back the shed after 15 cultivation years ……
where can I catch ff for this I hold the industry liable because they agree to this impossible task. something like this should have been announced more than 5/10 in advance
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Ad 8 January 2020
About 4 years ago I had problems with residue on carrots in a 2 year old shed that had never had potatoes in it. Gives the citizen courage . 0,01 parts per million is impossible value . Cleaning and then storing in the hope that it will be okay? Thought not .
DH 8 January 2020
What do they mean by cleaning?
realist 8 January 2020
must have been too many carrots that year!!!
clod 8 January 2020
In the past, samples were sometimes taken to determine residues, including those of chlorpropham.
It was during the time when there was a lot of powdering + that a bag of powder was sprinkled over it in December to keep the germs on top calm.

When a sample was collected in March, you were even obliged to cooperate, the result was that hardly a residue could be found.

I haven't used gas or powder for years, I only use MH, I'm thinking about giving a sample to my customer to see if there is residue in it and if so how much.
If it is above the standard, then we must consult on how to proceed further.

I do not intend to renovate the barn .
3G-4G-5G 8 January 2020
as indicated above: not in 100 years has one individual visited the doctor for inconveniences related to cipc, nowhere never, ever.
here the farmers are turned off or turned off one leg and 2 balls: choose from.
which is NOT and neither talked about nor written about and which will cost hundreds if not thousands of people's lives is 5G. get used to it.
in Australia they already know how to talk about it: where is it burning? on which dozens of satellites from space shine.
where it does NOT burn, in the bush where it is 5° warmer and no satellites.
I'd rather have cipc with potatoes every day.
other peter 9 January 2020
What surprises me in the chlorine discussion is that the swimming pools are never mentioned. The whole of the Netherlands, including the people who think we should get rid of chlorine because of health, the environment, etc., all jump nicely in the swimming pool that looks blue from the chlorine. How much PPM is there on your skin and in your lungs? It is not recommended for children under one year to go into a chlorine pool with a child because of the chlorine. I have never heard of potatoes that a child is not allowed to eat under one year of age. If you look at the danger signs on the can of chlorine agent that is added in swimming pools, it might as well come from my GWB resource loft. I think you should only jump into a pool with the right PPE.
peer 9 January 2020
2 sizes are measured, look at chlorine, see the piece above, and fipronile in flea collars for dogs and cats, that's allowed.
peter34 9 January 2020
this could mean that, if Brussels decides this year in mech. refrigeration only CO2 may be used, the VAVI will impose that as an obligation and Engie will have a top year, while the grower will be obliged to convert the business? Because VAVI puts it in the conditions. Doesn't happen you say? then you have been living under a rock.
The VAVI only mentioned the (alleged) harmfulness of CIPC after the Brussels rules had been imposed. Those EU rules do not affect the harmlessness of the product. If CIPC is indeed so harmful (VAVI will not comment on that), it should have contractually restricted it much earlier. But then there were no alternatives and the supply of raw materials had to continue. VAVI only follows the law and does not behave like a good family man. Covers itself legally without cost or risk. That is different from lameniellach CSR or family responsibility.
ed 9 January 2020
there is only one solution now don't sell below 25 euros and don't sign contact next year form 1 block as growers
northerner 9 January 2020
once!
Joost 10 January 2020
Hahahahaha what a joke.
brabander 10 January 2020
truth completely agree! let them grow their own beepers, they are so cured
Marco 10 January 2020
What do the processors think, all the risk with the farmer, next April there will be no more potatoes without a germ.
rinus 11 January 2020
in December I estimate hopelessly for good storage a lot of germ or inner partition they can choose not thought so, but grow a little more wheat
cagri 11 January 2020
@marco, right, but the problem is that they will turn these in somewhere but tell the farmer that they have been rejected and what can you do about it? Be glad you don't have to drive them onto land.
@3g,-4g can I find your source article somewhere please? Thank you.
W Bemelmans 11 January 2020
What do the people who do the work and have the costs get in return
a lot of misery. as a farmer you just had to
can say check it out. now they have the power and the peasant is the slave. and I only think that slavery was abolished. not so.
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Klaas Jan 11 January 2020
ed you are absolutely right
Take care of it, I'm in
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agricult 12 January 2020
there is another solution, only measure after processing and baking. Problem solved too
Skirt 12 January 2020
Good luck, with residue you can close your business.
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lazy 12 January 2020
Apparently the consequences of residue are underestimated. Teppeki is another example......
Drent 12 January 2020
it hasn't been a problem for 30 years and now all of a sudden it's like everyone is dying. Add to that the fact that the standard for imports may be 3x as high...
Skirt 13 January 2020
The standard is 'zero'.
Import is the future, export is bad for the environment.
brabander 13 January 2020
no chance confess a few years and there is no longer a dog that wants to grow something man man they make problems that are not there. can they be the best in our country meanwhile they laugh at us abroad
nn 13 January 2020
Have been using MH for several years and haven't fumed again.
now wants a residue sample with my potatoes to be delivered.
If the standard is not met, I do not have to start cultivation.
Drent 13 January 2020
was told to me by a high buyer, standard for import may be 0,3
rule maker 13 January 2020
we're doing pretty well here, if we set the standards high enough, the bums will stop by themselves, haha
rinus 14 January 2020
everyone is so unstumper what this is attainable for no one...
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juun 14 January 2020
what about the mlr on storage equipment
frog 14 January 2020
and what about residue in the factories?
rule maker 14 January 2020
the residue in the factory has already gone because a lot of off-land potatoes have passed over in the autumn, and they only start measuring in the storage season, and then also before the factory, because once they are baked, the volatile chlorine is definitely gone
bomber 14 January 2020
And should the transporters also have their vehicles cleaned?
Will AB Texel and you name it laughing. Transport costs will rise, so the grower will receive less. That's how it goes.
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