HAK: Cultivation of legumes and vegetables completely organically - News Organic

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January 18 January 2023

This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url = https: // www.boerenbusiness.nl/akkerbouw/artikel/10902532/hak-teelt-legumes-en-vegetables-fully-organic]HAK: cultivation of legumes and vegetables completely organic[/url]

then you will get a little more, but your entire company must be organic
And if people don't buy it, they want to get rid of you right away
I think farmers should get double that, otherwise don't do it
grow something different and be your own boss

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Jurriaan 18 January 2023

Nice and easy from HAK, they have to look good and we can run a risk with the biogang.

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gerard 18 January 2023

first see if they can fill the ha, then 5 years of cont with inflation on top, otherwise it's nothing yet

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time bomb 18 January 2023

Culivate bare ground again, just like before, stubble plowing, no greening. Thistles, milk thistles Jacob's wort from the nature reserves, which are gaining more and more foothold The horses with weeding machine will have to show up again. Still have to see who will do that in itself take. Lots of weeds in the spinach. Tasty

south-east 18 January 2023

don't make me laugh there is a big problem in conventional cultivation to keep everything disease-free and weed-free with limited resources.
organic is not feasible, just ask a real horticulturist.

that Hak borrows his own for this is very disappointing to me!!!

what a mess in our country....
cap obliges dormant crops and fallow edges, etc
other party comes with bio...

do I miss something??? we have to feed more and more people, we can do just fine with the current agriculture. but now with the new cap and the bio plans.
the hunger has been sown for a very long time

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frog 18 January 2023

CEO chop job elsewhere.
I don't need those black nightshade peas from Hak anymore, just give me another manufacturer.

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Louis Pascal deGeer 18 January 2023

Only companies and farmers who accept the interests of the ultimate consumer of the products they produce as a central starting point have a good future and are also much more willing to produce and process organically. Being in charge of your farm, don't make me laugh No farmer is really in charge of his farm anymore, but is entirely dependent on the demand for the products they produce, and the production methods are no longer a personal decision, but tied to rules of business, government and consumers. Due to the enormous interaction of the environment and healthy food on public health, not only should farmers receive more money for their organic products, but consumers should also be encouraged to buy those products. It must become a win-win situation for producer and consumer and the government must get involved.

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time bomb 18 January 2023

to be stimulated? What good is it if the consumer leaves it because they can't afford it? What's wrong with jars of vegetables from another cannery. There may be less weeds in it then, and then we'll buy it anyway. The government still has enough rubble to clean up, right? We always look at HAK's vegetables in the shop window. Soon we will look at the HAK factory itself in the shop window.
Say hello(s) to HAK. I know from experience that every year there must be a fight for a reasonable price.

rule maker 18 January 2023

time bomb wrote:

Culivate bare ground again, just like before, stubble plowing, no greening. Thistles, milk thistles Jacob's wort from the nature reserves, which are gaining more and more foothold The horses with weeding machine will have to show up again. Still have to see who will do that in itself take. Lots of weeds in the spinach. Tasty

that's what we call biodiversity, the more rubbish in it, the better for us

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time bomb 18 January 2023

rulemaker wrote:

time bomb wrote:
Culivate bare ground again, just like before, stubble plowing, no greening. Thistles, milk thistles Jacob's wort from the nature reserves, which are gaining more and more foothold The horses with weeding machine will have to show up again. Still have to see who will do that in itself take. Lots of weeds in the spinach. Tasty
that's what we call biodiversity, the more rubbish in it, the better for us

For whom???

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Karel 18 January 2023

I assume that LNV wants to sponsor and HAK gives this advantage directly to Putin. Shouldn't this company be immediately boycotted?

It can freeze or thaw 18 January 2023

In many areas, the growers are tired of the preserves, there was always something to do with it.

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time bomb 18 January 2023

It can freeze or thaw wrote:

In many areas, the growers are tired of the preserves, there was always something to do with it.

I have heard more. They have (had) power, but with these grain prices they will first calculate, and I already know the outcome. My advice is to keep your hands off. Let them walk, they MUST come back with better prices, otherwise lines in the factory will be at a standstill. Look out, we have another alternative.

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truth 18 January 2023

100% organic.....then the factory comes to a standstill...due to 50% less yields disappointing harvests diseases and pests! etc.....if I were that staff I would look for another boss...

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boon 18 January 2023

let them have fun. enough alternatives.

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CM 18 January 2023

They now hardly want to pay anything for conventional; then you go all the way with organic with them. Not doing business with.

Claas 19 January 2023

Solution is simple.
Hak cultivates itself by means of land rental or contract cultivation.

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time bomb 19 January 2023

Land rent would be possible, of course at a good price, otherwise you would have to buy the necessary ha yourself, but contact cultivation has a lot of risks. Lots of weeds, diseases and pests. Possibly very low yield, so no or low balance. Let them farm themselves. Renting and clean delivery. Always the risks with the farmer. If only they could go with it.

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Farmer Jan 19 January 2023

I thought Russian companies would be boycotted, now they are trying to rule here too.

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Karel 19 January 2023

Nobody thinks it's a point that HAK has a Russian owner?

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time bomb 19 January 2023

Karel wrote:

Nobody thinks it's a point that HAK has a Russian owner?

Yes, take out that gang.

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other peter 19 January 2023

2 comments: 1) read carefully what it says in the first sentence that says it all: production in the Netherlands! So they can always expand abroad if organic does not work out in the Netherlands. Apparently their sustainability ambition does not extend beyond the Dutch border, but far enough for this great marketing stunt for the general public. where it is quickly forgotten that it is only money for the NL production!!
2) the sentence: "organic must get rid of its exclusive character". As a regular grower, I find that very worrying for my organic colleagues. I think these are decent words to actually say that organic products should become cheaper......

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Bio + 19 January 2023

See, that's how we know the BB forum community again. Very nuanced, all knowledge available, and always optimistic and open to other points of view.

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other peter 19 January 2023

Best Bio+. how do you view my 2 comments as an organic grower. I would like to point out that I am liberal enough to think that Hak can do what she wants and make demands as she wants. I am not a Hak grower or a canned/vegetable grower in general. So I'm just trying to consider what Hak is actually saying in the article

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Bio + 19 January 2023

Dear "other Peter". Some answers to your first questions. Today and yesterday are the Biobeurs days in Den Bosch. In addition to many organic farmers, quite a few conventional colleagues also go there. quite interesting to taste atmosphere and consume other points of view. good for cynicism.
The news of HAK was known to everyone yesterday. The general thought was that it is indeed not certain that HAK will complete the process completely. It is also a 4 year plan. But this is not a light decision. The opinion of everyone I spoke to was that HAK is sticking its neck out with this. It is also a statement to the entire market: HAK has real confidence in this process. You're talking about "great marketing stunt for the general public." I actually agree with that, but much more positively than what you seem to mean. About your 2nd point. ""organic must get rid of its exclusive character". Thank you very much for worrying about the organic image. But not necessary. The image is mainly towards the consumer. Consumers have the image that organic is good by definition and expensive by definition As a result, there are many consumers who do not even pay attention to the price tag when they see the term organic, while some products (milk, for example) are cheaper than the A brands. These are choices made by the supermarkets. And very different choices are made there Some products are charged such absurd margins that it seems that the relevant supermarket has zero interest in them. But now they can say to the NGOs: look, we have a lot of organic in our range, but nobody wants to buy it. packer they can say that they have delivered rubbish because after 3 and that is why the throughput is poor The choice of HAK can therefore also have an effect on the entire organic market if other choices are made here and there.

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Bio + 19 January 2023

A nice insight into the dilemmas/choices faced by both farmers and HAK.
https://www.gfactueel.nl/telers-staan-voor-lastige-keuze-nu-hak-biologisch-gaat-eisen/

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frog 19 January 2023

It would only really make a difference if Cosun announced with all its companies that they are aiming for 4% organic in four years' time.

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other peter 19 January 2023

Best Bio+. Thank you for your view on this. I broadly agree with you. But what I see happening in the past 24 hours on various (general) media is that there is only talk about Hak only buying organic cultivation. The phrase "only in the Netherlands" has already faded into the background and with the image of organic cultivation, Hak can simply import from neighboring countries and put it in a jar. Marketing technically they play well. I wasn't cynical about it, if it came across that way.
Do you think that if the supermarkets lower their (as I understand you) sometimes extreme margins to stimulate sales without making concessions on the purchasing side? Incidentally, I was at the interpom in Kortrijk in November and I was looking at a weeder. I told my employee that within now and 5 years such a machine will also be in our yard. I see that we, as conventional agriculture, are increasingly moving in that direction.

normal peter 21 January 2023

what a colder....
it's not going to work now not/never not the bio.

everyone knows better but we are not going to feed the mouths with this.
we cannot grow what we want and how we want it ourselves because of only bad and non-working green resources.

but we can say that we grow planet proof!!!!
with the deeply sad result of rejection of products because they contain lice / thrips, etc.
Oh we are all doing well bah bah what a sad world.
no balance / no work pleasure / no top product
but a lot of costs for jan ....l

we should not all want this, period

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my 22 January 2023

think that heel also simply decreases and then a different name on the can or pot. if there's something bio they do a hell of a name

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medium 22 January 2023

of course they bring that product over the border here and here under the guise of organic in the jar a lot more is already happening with other products, including table potatoes here global gap but not in germany but it is processed here under our certification and so crooked it all!!!

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frog 22 January 2023

What surprises me most is the story of the CEO of Hak that the vast majority of growers go along with it, but some will have to think. For example, because they also have sugar beets or potatoes, which makes it more difficult to quickly switch to organic." quoted from the Telegraph.
I don't believe that everyone goes along so easily in this PR story of Hak, in fact, I think several organic farmers want to switch back to conventional. Also logical, their products regularly disappear in the usual channel!

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rick 22 January 2023

I think frog forgot to mention that they also have lower prices
This combined with lower yields and higher costs makes the choice to go back to normal quite logical

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Gerben 23 January 2023

It is striking that organic products are much, much more expensive than so-called non-organic. Look at milk. The farmer receives a few cents/kg more, but dairies and shopkeepers receive a multiple of that. First make sure that the yogurt and custard come out of the package; now an average of 10% remains behind in the suit. A waste of the precious and tasty stuff.

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Klaas 23 January 2023

Gerben wrote:

It is striking that organic products are much, much more expensive than so-called non-organic. Look at milk. The farmer receives a few cents/kg more, but dairies and shopkeepers receive a multiple of that. First make sure that the yogurt and custard come out of the package; now an average of 10% remains behind in the suit. A waste of the precious and tasty stuff.

You can also cut the suit open.

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Bio + 23 January 2023

Top Peter, "Do you think that if the supermarkets drop their (as I understand you) sometimes extreme margins in order to boost sales without compromising on the purchasing side?" Now they charge high prices because the throughput is low and the throughput is low because they charge such high prices. But one super has a different policy than the other. That doesn't have to be pinched by farmers. Commonly, preserves are slightly above wheat balance. No one is going to grow organic for that. Some think that HAK peas and beans with plenty of nightshades will decline. Not so. They come the week before the harvest. If there are weeds such as nightshade and thistles with buds, they really won't come to harvest until you have removed them manually. For example, double cultivation of spinach gives nice balances if you have good soil with few weeds and good soil. With all the products that HAK carries you can already fill in a nice construction plan. Peas, beans, spinach, carrots, cabbage.

It can freeze or thaw 23 January 2023

frog wrote:

What surprises me most is the story of the CEO of Hak that the vast majority of growers go along with it, but some will have to think. For example, because they also have sugar beets or potatoes, which makes it more difficult to quickly switch to organic." quoted from the Telegraph.
I don't believe that everyone goes along so easily in this PR story of Hak, in fact, I think several organic farmers want to switch back to conventional. Also logical, their products regularly disappear in the usual channel!

Is what you write correct, HAK tries to make a good impression on the back of the grower.

I have written it before on this forum, the grower is always ultimately the loser in this sector.

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Bio + 23 January 2023

Other Peter: "The phrase "only in the Netherlands" has already faded into the background and with the image of organic cultivation, Hak can simply import from neighboring countries and put it in a jar." Well, what is (im)possible? What I have been hearing for several years at the Biobeurs is that a trend has been converted. Industrial cultivation that shifted to Turkey or further is returning - both organic and conventional. Why? GlobalGAP finds everyone annoying. But buyers estimate that food safety from afar entails a risk. And Ukraine learns that stability brings money. And the dry summers also have an effect. I hear that water supplies are worryingly low in Spain. I assume HAK has those kinds of considerations and others. The cost price of conventional is rising faster than that of organic is my estimation. Plus the EU that wants to stimulate organic (VAT?). HAK wants to be the premium brand in everything instead of the bottom. Switching in 1 go will also have advantages in terms of logistics, etc.

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Bio + 23 January 2023

"Normal" Peter:
"what a nonsense....it's not going to work now not / never not the bio. everyone knows better but we're not going to feed the mouths with this."
If I wanted to encourage a farmer to maximize production at the lowest possible price, I would talk about "respect, pride and the world dying of famine". I myself accept zero responsibility for hunger. I only produce if the price is high enough. And: we farm on the stamp where we live feed the world? How is that then? The poor people of the world have a clear menu: rice and beans one day, beans and rice the next. That is, legumes and grains such as rice, corn, wheat, millet. But our export consists of something completely different: flowers, dairy, meat, vegetables, chips and seed potatoes. Nevertheless, we do play an important role in the pulses and grain markets. Shiploads go all over the world. Our way.

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Bio + 23 January 2023

Normal Peter: "bah bah what a sad world.
no balance / no work pleasure / no top product
It can thaw or freeze: "I've written it before on this forum, in the end the grower is always the loser in this sector."

What a sad way to get through your working life. No one is forcing you to become/remain a farmer. While there are so many other choices. For example, as an arable farmer, an extensive cropping plan (potatoes, beets, half grain). Have a neighbor spray and spread fertilizer. Take on a full-time job and plant, sow, harvest in your days off.

real grower 23 January 2023

ORGANIC GROWER +

so you think this is normal behavior?
you will not find this in any other sector that you are challenged with the knife to the throat.

and indeed normal peter is right here as a grower/farmer you don't choose for us to become a farmer to grow and market a beautiful crop that is our passion!

now we are being forced/bullied/dominated/eliminated/discriminated against etc etc.
name me 1 profession where that is still the case 1?

and then use an extensive building plan and a job as an example of poverty.
is this really your goal should it go there is that the future vision of Dutch agriculture then we have sunk really deep

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Bio + 24 January 2023

Dear "real" grower. it may seem that farmers are all in the same boat and the only common dividing line of organic vs. I have a completely different picture. If you ask an accountant, they will say that there are huge differences between companies that run very well and companies that run very problematically (in ALL sectors - conventional/organic/vegetable/animal). The top companies also experience that regulations are more than difficult. But in the end, the positive challenges are greater. If it's the other way around for you: only bad news and zero positive prospects, well, what then?
You say: "you will not find this in any other sector that you are so challenged with the knife to the throat." Of course you can scream bloody murder, barricade the entire country and demand that you are entitled to respect and good prices and flexible rules. And the amazing thing is that everyone understands you (especially the citizen) But something tells me that developments are going as they are and that everyone is forced to make their own assessments.
"now we are being forced/bullied/dominated/eliminated/discriminated against etc etc" You wonder why you have to accept that? That is exactly my question: Who forces you to stay in a situation where you feel bullied/discriminated against?

south-east 24 January 2023

because we are 100 % or more professional buffaloes and that is where our passion lies .
but we have not chosen everything that is already on our plate, it is so difficult to understand.
regulatory pressure / interference, etc. this is no longer normal.
if we are all those softies just like bio + it won't work out.
something that is completely but also completely more than destroyed and then be happy and say it will work out like this.
with all of us saying up to here and no further we are not participating shouldn't let it happen but act crosswise to it you too

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