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Schouten gets wind of neonics

June 4, 2018 - Anne Jan Doorn - 23 comments

Minister Carola Schouten (Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality) received a lot of wind from NAV chairman Teun de Jong on the 25th anniversary of the Dutch Arable Farming Union (NAV). According to the NAV chairman, politicians should leave the authorization of plant protection products to experts.

De Jong stated this after Schouten discussed integrated crop protection. She argued that she mainly wants to move towards low-risk drugs, and that she wants to commit herself to a change. De Jong responded that the minister should leave the assessment of these resources to experts, and not just raise her hand in parliament.

De Jong: "Politicians don't vote on the authorization of medicines, do they?" He said he wanted to get rid of pigeonholed politics. As an example he mentioned the neonicotinoids issue† Because the product is now banned, more crop protection products will have to be used. He therefore wants Minister Schouten to derogation for neonicotinoids is going to apply.

Consumers should get used to higher prices

Consumer position
Schouten and De Jong did agree on many other points. Schouten said she believes consumers should realize that they demand a lot from the farmer. This means that consumers have to pay higher prices for the products. She also mentioned that arable farmers should strengthen their own position, and therefore called for collectives to be strengthened.

Both Schouten and De Jong discussed the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP)† Schouten involved the history of the NAV. "The CAP was created to combat food shortages. However, the overproduction still arose, which was the reason for the establishment of the NAV." She believes fair pricing is important. She mentioned that the pressure in the chain is mainly felt at the bottom (at the farmer). Unfair business practices must stop, she argued. She wants more space for farmers to organize themselves, something the NAV responded with pleasure.

Market share producers
De Jong fully agreed with Schouten on this point. He thought it strange that buyers (such as Albert Heijn) are allowed to have a market share of 35%, and that producers are not allowed to have more than 5% share. The minister must intervene as soon as possible, partly by appointing an independent arbitrator.

According to De Jong, the GLB should follow the NAV's guideline: 'enough is better'. The CAP now focuses on income support, but the focus should be more on fair payments from the market. He argued for a better protected European market, with supply control. According to him, everyone wants to sell on the wealthy European market. Agriculture should therefore be kept out of free trade practices.

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Anne-Jan Doorn

Anne Jan Doorn is an arable expert at Boerenbusiness. He writes about the various arable farming markets and also focuses on the land and energy market.
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23 comments
Jan Jaap June 4, 2018
This is a response to this article:
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LTO is still not heard from. What good is such an association where their lobbyists achieve nothing.
West Brabant June 4, 2018
And that neonics is just the beginning, I think half of the resources will be gone within a few years.
jpk June 5, 2018
The consumer no longer wants poisons on food products nobody knows anything about the gevogen no longer uses chemical GBM in greenhouses combats harmful insects with natural enemies this is the direction open cultivation should follow by means of resilient plants becomes common organic
seed potato grower southwest June 5, 2018
Dear JPK,

Take a look at your own resource package. If you have Parkinson's, diabetes, high blood pressure, epilepsy and you name it all diseases and problems, don't you also take medication? A conventional grower does nothing but keep the plants healthy until the end.
Agri June 5, 2018
I hope it will not become common organic soon, I will have to destroy my healthy soil by using heavy metals such as copper. And I fully agree with what my predecessor wrote here. The greatest pollution of our water has come from medicines and hormones used in humans for years.
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juun June 5, 2018
that so-called poison really can't be bad two years of grass alfalfa and they don't find anything anymore see the switchers
jpk June 5, 2018
Science consumers greenpece and ngo find gbm not safe so o residue on the food products for open cultivation is the only way no bulk products and additional income on the farm
peta June 5, 2018
jpk wrote:
Science consumers greenpece and ngo find gbm not safe so o residue on the food products for open cultivation is the only way no bulk products and additional income on the farm

Do you believe that even if the Dutch large-scale growers control the organic market?!
jpk June 5, 2018
We have the product in our hands not the supermarket come on cooperatives traders and ao it is necessary that excellently grown products will yield much more than the cost price
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Skirt June 5, 2018
jpk wrote:
We have the product in our hands not the supermarket come on cooperatives traders and ao it is necessary that excellently grown products will yield much more than the cost price


Get out from under your rock, a supermarket buys worldwide, transport is not so expensive that it is an obstacle to buy further afield.
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roy June 6, 2018
jkp. learn to write well first.
And seed potato grower hits the nail on the head, but many people don't want to see this.
NGOs only spread noise and subsidize talk about things they have absolutely no knowledge of. And supermarkets that listen to it, all very harmful to Dutch agriculture.
Peter 34 June 10, 2018
@pootgoedteler southwest and others in his place.

Now we read again about the nuisance caused by the oak processionary caterpillar due to heat. It's not just the heat. A lack of natural enemies allows and exacerbates this problem. Difficult.
As a result of widespread sector-wide insect control, this food source for natural pests, read birds, is disappearing.
When the oak processionary caterpillar presents itself, they are not food for the birds, meanwhile departed/dead, and they become a plague.... which we then suffer chemically. circle around. It's just a current example.

You mention a series of serious illnesses that you want to tackle with 'medicines'. Quite apart from the question of whether they are curable, preventing the diseases seems to me to be a more pleasant, cheaper and more sustainable form of care where possible. or not?
That is the same with nature (I hope that is not an unpleasant peripheral phenomenon for you). If you upset the balance, you have to deal with the consequences in a different way. We've been doing this in this way about since WWII, resulting in more and more problems that the chemical industry is willing to help you with... it's treating the symptoms of a deeper cause: destroying nature.
Good news for the industry: we're almost done with it. and then nature will no longer meet you and you can solve all problems chemically. Good perspective?
Did you think you could save that?
I don't know your age, but don't you see significantly fewer birds in your yard now than 30 yrs ago? where have they gone? do you ever see mushrooms (you know about the mycorrhizas) on your land? That was different 40 years ago, wasn't it? Or are these all just difficult or useless natural phenomena that stand in the way of your business model?
peter34 June 10, 2018
@Kjol. And that raises a nasty question: to what extent do we want feed/food from abroad. This also raises the question of open borders. Those open borders have served the so-called economy, but have also brought in many diseases and pests. And also food of which we do not know the quality, because it is grown elsewhere. beans from the interior of Africa, tomatoes from ... you name it, wheat from Russia (do you know much about how that is grown?). The fruits of globalization are on your plate: cheap, but good??
For our relatively small-scale companies and expensive production method (ie disadvantageous price level), these open borders are not very good at all, because, except for quality, you cannot compete on the world market, where only price is traded.
Einstein June 10, 2018
So Peter the farmers and the chemical industry are to blame for everything? Please also put your hand in your own bosom as a consumer for which we do everything! Global warming resulting in the death of our coral reefs due to frequent flying to distant destinations (the biggest example being Mrs Thieme). The frequent use of plastic in just about everything that is used. All those beautiful concrete gardens? Flying everywhere by car ( buy something on the marketplace for 15 euros in Limburg and then drive there with the boss's car from North Holland)
Einstein June 10, 2018
And dear Peter, I really don't want to say that we as agriculture cannot improve anything, but in my view the negative reporting about our sector is certainly not justified.
Peter34 June 10, 2018
@Einstein. let's get a few things straight. Farmers are also allowed to ask questions about the ins and outs of their own sector. Surely we can think instead of following the long-trodden tracks for the sake of convenience? Did my piece say 'blaming the farmers for everything?'
I would like us all to think together and examine common practice. Not because of the consumer, politics or lobbyists, but because the damage we inflict on nature comes back like a boomerang. And that's why I gave 1 example, which I witnessed myself and I asked a few questions if we haven't lost a lot. And we're going to have to really do our best to get that back.
It is no longer possible to haggle one after the other and the supplying companies/industry. And fortunately there are groups of farmers who have started working on this. This is also possible without a subsidy; must come from within ourselves. However, that needs more than a handful of people and so more awareness is needed.
Those farmers who absolutely do not want to do this still think that Schouten is a very bad minister. She is not there as a representative of the farmers. But it does have a feeling for and contact with the sector and the good for it and has a clear, for us not always a nice/easy 'bubble' vision. We cannot say that about most LNV ministers since Veerman.
That transport, all kinds of 'relaxation', use of resources (medicine, pleasure, household) and other kinds of pollution can be reduced is also raised by NGOs. What is true is that farming is an easy target.
What I always miss, especially when it comes to energy consumption, is that we really have to economize. That word seems to no longer exist, because technical solutions for our wasteful lifestyle will be found. Maybe, but why not cut corners? Has an immediate effect, is cheaper and guarantees independence.
I am pleased with your later relativity.
Peter34 June 10, 2018
Incidentally, De Jong claims that the authorization of substances should be left to experts, as LTO also always claims. Reference was always made to the EFSA, which always saw no reason to stop the authorization of neonics. After further investigation, EFSA has now issued a different expert opinion.
Precisely that glyphosate may now be used (for a while) is the result of the opinion of a non-expert German minister who went beyond his means by voting for its admission.
It would not surprise me that the EFSA experts are on a political leash, but that was always denied by LTO at high and low.
LTO must now also be consistent.
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old pet June 10, 2018
Dear Peter 34,

I hope for your sake that you don't have such long discussions with your wife, because I'm afraid she'll leave you alone today or tomorrow. You should also not throw all the problems on the table at once, otherwise you will end up with an endless discussion. And nobody benefits from that.

As for the oak processional caterpillar : it comes from warmer places and due to the climate change of the last decades it is advancing further from the south to the north.

As for the birds, I don't know which birds you are talking about, but various birds have increased significantly in recent decades: many raptors, herons, storks and many geese species.

In terms of crop protection products, the water has never been as clean in the last 10 years as it has been in the last 50 years!
Resources that are still found are practically all broken down by NATURE over time.

You shouldn't be so frustrated with us farming and better aim your arrows at other targets. This includes Aviation, shipping, nuclear energy, airports, traffic, etc.

I hope my advice is helpful, but don't blame us farmers for everything.

Greetings old man.
young Flemish arable farmer June 11, 2018
@Peter
Here in Flanders there are many more birds than in the past, but it is protected bird species that crowd out other birds. This is also the fault of the farmers.
There are fewer field birds because of the fox, which is also the fault of the farmers.
I read in another article that biodiversity is the best in Africa, I don't want to know with spraying them there, DDT,...
I read in another article that a university states in a study that if the whole world should start producing organically, then in the best case an area of ​​western Europe of nature will have to disappear in order to be able to continue to feed the world.
I do have respect for an organic farmer, but I find the organic consumer incredibly naive.
I am outraged that some organic farmers only profile themselves by wrongly breaking us down.
Agri June 11, 2018
Dear peter, Yesterday I took a long walk in nature with my wife because I am sometimes a bit gloomy (because of the negative stories about our farmers) I often look at the ground and the story is correct I have seen almost no ground beetles also little birds by the way. Yesterday evening I walked up and down my lot between the crops and what my surprise describes I can hardly put my feet down or I am standing on a beetle, who is not doing well, the farmer or the nature clubs?
Agri June 11, 2018
And dear petertje, I'm just a regular arable farmer with a lot of respect for my soil and environment.
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roy June 11, 2018
instead of those left-wing members going to perform abroad for once. Firstly, in terms of surface area, the Netherlands represents nothing at all. Unfortunately, the enormous achievements that farmers put in here for the environment also have little influence. Look at the deforestation in Africa and South America, the crops that are grown there for bioenergy, etc. There is so much more to be gained there than here, I am so short-sighted to keep talking about a remedy or a new rule here. to start.
Peter34 June 11, 2018
@old Pete. for some people, profound reading is more difficult than writing for others. Just to reassure you, I don't have to type all this.
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old pet June 11, 2018
Dear Peter34,

You're doing a great job, a short answer. I just don't know what you mean by reading comprehension? Unfortunately I have to type it all myself, I don't have a secretary to do it for me, and staff is too expensive for me. And my wife says let them talk they love themselves!
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