Schouten meets affected farmers

Claas 8 August 2018

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Is this really a solution for damage caused by the drought or is it a solution for the risk - averse behavior of banks ?

Or is this an indication for us as a sector that we underestimate the risks of doing business?

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smart ass 8 August 2018

nice, so you can sow a fodder.
man it's bone dry!

Come out I would say

tm 8 August 2018

She doesn't meet anyone at all!!!
Cigar from your own box, and then look up the media
No, not that you need that support, but don't go and chat hypocritically.

And the professional media may also look at this critically, instead of blindly recording this chatty

clod 8 August 2018

know-it-all wrote:

nice, so you can sow a fodder.
man it's bone dry!

Come out I would say

Some sense of reality is hard to find, coming up with all kinds of things behind a desk is not that difficult, but putting it into practice and executing it is an entirely different sport.

To sow grass now and maybe at the end of September early October to remove a good cut of grass is the same as believing in fairy tales.

It is a fact that RVO and the ministry no longer know what is still happening in the field , otherwise they would keep a closer eye on things and intervene sooner in the event of calamities .

peta 8 August 2018

tm wrote:

She doesn't meet anyone at all!!!
Cigar from your own box, and then look up the media
No, not that you need that support, but don't go and chat hypocritically.

And the professional media may also look at this critically, instead of blindly recording this chatty

Indeed a loan at fat interest from your house bank with the much too late premiums as collateral. Costs the sector a lot of money again, while in Belgium and Germany they can pay the premiums earlier. What is wrong with the system here, too few executive officials on agriculture?!
Agriculture is simply neglected and undervalued child in Dutch society, until it has come to the point that there are no more successors and finally no more food on the shelf! The suburbs don't get it!!!

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snorkel 8 August 2018

clot wrote:

know-it-all wrote:
nice, so you can sow a fodder.
man it's bone dry!

Come out I would say

Some sense of reality is hard to find, coming up with all kinds of things behind a desk is not that difficult, but putting it into practice and executing it is an entirely different sport.

To sow grass now and maybe at the end of September early October to remove a good cut of grass is the same as believing in fairy tales.

It is a fact that RVO and the ministry no longer know what is still happening in the field , otherwise they would keep a closer eye on things and intervene sooner in the event of calamities .

I think the LTO proposed this and they went along with it. Who never gets out of his desk?

south farmer 8 August 2018

You can no longer open a newspaper without encountering a message that the farmers are being supported or helped. In fact, not a single decent aid measure has been introduced yet. There is no place for hard-working, sober and well-thinking farmers in this hard-hitting make-believe world, that much is clear to me.

geert 8 August 2018

tm, totally agree, cheap gossip, as if farmers are stupid.

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parker 8 August 2018

In response to Zuidboer's comment, it is then not necessary to get that in the newspaper or to tell the media. Because as Petatje describes, people who do not come from agriculture do not understand this at all.
According to these people, farmers are subsidy eaters and they have no idea where their food comes from.

Skirt 8 August 2018

I no longer follow it, without official documents from RVO that sowing grass is allowed, you are simply in violation. I would say good luck and good luck.

Frans 8 August 2018

Also do not see much difference in CAP subsidy and welfare recipients. The last group is also not paid per first application. It is we farmers ourselves who believe that we should produce more and more. That's exactly what we should think about.

peta 8 August 2018

parker wrote:

In response to Zuidboer's comment, it is then not necessary to get that in the newspaper or to tell the media. Because as Petatje describes, people who do not come from agriculture do not understand this at all.
According to these people, farmers are subsidy eaters and they have no idea where their food comes from.

How do you get it in the newspaper then? Or somewhere else where you want to tell the truth, has no news value for the media. Whether you have to pull the stock market well, there may be something to argue with.

hans 8 August 2018

What do you want in the newspaper then? The truth? That you are an entrepreneur and can't handle a setback yourself? LTO nevertheless asked for help from The Hague. You want to produce freely, don't you? Large stables with more livestock? Adjust your livestock to your feed if you find feed too expensive. Sell or lease rights for cash flow. Doing business means adapting. But that is too difficult for many.
"In this smashing make-believe world", smashing hard? Netherlands? In my opinion a country of and for the faint of heart!

Cor 9 August 2018

This year will be a disaster for many farmers. Then stop saying this is business. If half of Europe has dried up and the prices are not yet exploding, when will there still be something to earn?!
Take the French peasants as an example. If they do not agree with something, they pull the trigger and take action. Get a good foreman who can tell the story well to the media and impose clear sanctions on the government. Why are other eu countries going to pay out financial compensation and the Netherlands not? Because we could have insured ourselves with impractical and expensive insurance?

I think it would also be better for the government, if the farmers are financially compensated, as a result of this a large group of farmers will be able to make their planned investments, as a result, the suppliers also keep work, and a large part is returned through taxes. government.

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Skirt 9 August 2018

The Netherlands wants to get rid of its farmers, do you still not realize it?

time 9 August 2018

exactly kjol,

The government is totally involved in this
so the farmers will rot on their own.
Another dry year and the farms halve.

Frans 9 August 2018

We haven't had such a dry year since 1976. You can save for it for 40 years or else insure it. If both fail, quickly choose a subject.

Klaiboer 9 August 2018

Why does the Netherlands want to get rid of its farmers? You don't want to say that you will go bankrupt because of this. Then you have done something seriously wrong in your business. Normally, such years are peak years for farmers. But by committing yourself to all kinds of agreements, you can't do anything. Well, I must be thinking wrong because I don't have 400 hectares of potatoes, but I do know if everything comes out properly that I will have a fantastic year.

hans 9 August 2018

The Netherlands, where farmers do everything not to pay taxes (invest in unnecessary luxury), where the bank determines the land price for you (I must have that plot at any price), where specialization is the rule (very sensitive to price fluctuations), where intensification must (mass is cash register), where being in debt is so interesting, BUT
where the farmer does not have to pay wealth tax on his land, where the citizen pays the water board, where acquisition is allowed under favorable rules, where a favorable entrepreneurs exemption for ink. tax applies.
Who makes it impossible for those farmers?

Tybalt 9 August 2018

There is too much attached to those farmers Hans. What will the agricultural sector bring to the Netherlands for Hans? Too bad you don't mention that! There is an old saying: "Whoever neglects agriculture, impoverishes the land". Everyone knows this outside the Netherlands!

geert 9 August 2018

LTO says it is happy with Schouten's promise, it really means nothing, whining for the Buhne.

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sweetie 9 August 2018

hans wrote:

The Netherlands, where farmers do everything not to pay taxes (invest in unnecessary luxury), where the bank determines the land price for you (I must have that plot at any price), where specialization is the rule (very sensitive to price fluctuations), where intensification must (mass is cash register), where being in debt is so interesting, BUT
where the farmer does not have to pay wealth tax on his land, where the citizen pays the water board, where acquisition is allowed under favorable rules, where a favorable entrepreneurs exemption for ink. tax applies.
Who makes it impossible for those farmers?

Dear Hans...sausage.

Luckily you don't understand it at all.

hans 9 August 2018

Tybalt, I know what agriculture brings to the land, but what does agriculture bring to the farmers themselves? I allow a country to get rich on the backs of its peasants, but only before that. Besides, the Dutch agricultural industry, the importance of the administrative Netherlands, will survive in any case, supply from abroad and branches across the border.
Nature, please.

Skirt 9 August 2018

Hans, agricultural industry without a solid base/raw materials in our own country is a utopia anyway, many industries have already failed in NL, supply of raw materials from abroad is simply too expensive. The Netherlands has been walking the path of outsourcing production for a long time, nothing wrong with that in itself, this has now also reached the agricultural sector. The result is that within a few decades there will be a large decrease in enterprising farmers because the cost price here is simply too high to continue.

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sweetie 9 August 2018

nature wrote:

hans wrote:
The Netherlands, where farmers do everything not to pay taxes (invest in unnecessary luxury), where the bank determines the land price for you (I must have that plot at any price), where specialization is the rule (very sensitive to price fluctuations), where intensification must (mass is cash register), where being in debt is so interesting, BUT
where the farmer does not have to pay wealth tax on his land, where the citizen pays the water board, where acquisition is allowed under favorable rules, where a favorable entrepreneurs exemption for ink. tax applies.
Who makes it impossible for those farmers?

Dear Hans...sausage.

Luckily you don't understand it at all.

DUH 9 August 2018

Hans and Klaiboer are right. In addition, the livestock farmers have to keep livestock and grow feed (grass/maize). The smart people started to rent out land to bulb growers/potato growers/onion growers, they could buy feed better for years than to grow them themselves was the frequently heard response. Then there are cattle ranchers who will do the arable farming themselves for a while, signing a contract is self-evident because we are so used to that with milk. In a year with a surplus (2017), the customer pays extra attention to the quality delivered, resulting in a significant loss of your contract. This year the buyer will probably not be difficult, but you will again have the problem that you have to buy expensive feed. This will probably cause the milk price to rise slightly so that you will not earn anything again, but you will remain alive.

grain farmer 9 August 2018

hans wrote:

The Netherlands, where farmers do everything not to pay taxes (invest in unnecessary luxury), where the bank determines the land price for you (I must have that plot at any price), where specialization is the rule (very sensitive to price fluctuations), where intensification must (mass is cash register), where being in debt is so interesting, BUT
where the farmer does not have to pay wealth tax on his land, where the citizen pays the water board, where acquisition is allowed under favorable rules, where a favorable entrepreneurs exemption for ink. tax applies.
Who makes it impossible for those farmers?