Background Agricultural vision

Schouten: 'Direction must go back to the farmer'

11 September 2018 - Anne Jan Doorn - 28 comments

Minister Carola Schouten (Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality) is considering placing advertisements in which the consumer price is compared with the price paid to farmers. "It is a way to improve the position of the farmer", Schouten said on Monday 10 September at a meeting of Trouw in response to the study 'The state of the farmer'.

The minister is of the opinion that the farmer is getting less and less for his product and that the other parties are taking off with the profit. "This is wrong and the entire chain must contribute to improving the position of the farmer." With this, Schouten also refers to the supermarkets.

"I think it's a shame that retail is on these kind of evenings is absent. We may need to purchase advertising space to provide insight into what the farmer receives and what the consumer ultimately pays. Based on this, the consumer can ask himself the following question: do I want to be at the supermarket with the lowest price, or do I want to pay a little extra so that the farmer also gets a little more?"

Agricultural vision recurring topic
Schouten's agricultural vision was also discussed extensively this evening. Critics report that they do not follow the plan specific find. The Minister of Agriculture responds by saying that she has made a conscious decision to do so. She believes that polarization is taking place in the agricultural sector. "You are either for nature or for the farmer. You are either for a shrinkage of the livestock or for limitless growth. It flattens the discussion. I think this has no chance, because these points ignore what, for example, a shrinkage of the livestock means to the farmers."

According to Schouten, there is therefore a need to put a dot on the horizon. "First we need an agreement on our common values. Later we can say: we agreed on this vision." However, the agriculture minister also stated that the vision will certainly become more abrasive if it is actually worked out in more detail.

'No ad hoc policy'
Schouten also stated that a direction is needed and that there should not be an ad hoc policy. This was confirmed by the many farmers in the room. "The large investments should not suddenly become useless after 5 years (partly due to legislation). The vision is therefore not only my vision, but is also based on various developments in society."

How many active members does LTO Netherlands have?

Marc Calon, the foreman of LTO Nederland, responded in agreement and let it be known that the realization of the vision will be exciting. He does say that he is happy that the minister sees that a lot is already going well in the sector.

However, Calon was also exposed to the fire himself. The research by Trouw shows that 80% of the farmers do not feel represented by LTO Nederland. The question from the audience is therefore: how much active members does LTO Netherlands really have? According to Calon, this is currently being investigated by Wageningen University and Research. He also believes that LTO Nederland's sectoral approach works well.

'Clarity is needed'
The study by Trouw also showed that about 50% of farmers have been depressed from time to time, because of the many concerns about farming. That is why clarity is needed. Iris Bouwers, Vice-President CEJA (the European Council for Young Farmers) also emphasized this. She asked Schouten how farmers can regain control and stop being a plaything. 

The agriculture minister indicated that she is aware that her policy can determine the farmer's sleep. "That's why I put this dot on the horizon." In addition, the minister indicates that she wants to ensure that power in the chain returns to the farmer.

The farmers in the room let it be known that they could do something with Schouten's agricultural vision. "The vision is not too compelling. We can organize this vision in our own way. Small or large-scale is not designated as the norm, but there is a common starting point: circular agriculture."

Arable farming sector organization mostly positive
Dirk de Lugt, the chairman of BO Akkerbouw, indicates that he is also positive about the agricultural vision of Minister Schouten. He sees a lot in the collaboration between arable farms and livestock farms. "In addition, I think that there is sufficient market for closing cycles close to home."

The interpretation of circular agriculture is already devised by many farmers themselves. "It is a form of entrepreneurship, but it does require research," says De Lugt. However, he still has many questions about the concrete implementation of the vision. For example, he misses trade relations in the report, but the role of GMO-free soy is also not mentioned.

De Lugt is the last to indicate that he also sees that things have to change in order to farm sustainably in the long term. "Not only the kilos and economic profitability are important, but the climate and the resilience of plants will also play an increasingly important role."

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Anne-Jan Doorn

Anne Jan Doorn is an arable expert at Boerenbusiness. He writes about the various arable farming markets and also focuses on the land and energy market.
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28 comments
Christian 11 September 2018
This is a response to this article:
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This happened several years ago in Belgium through a site that was dependent on the Boerenbond.
So it is of no use: the consumer states in an interview that it is scandalous that those hard-working farmers receive so little for their product and they do claim that they are quite willing to pay a little more.
In reality, what's on the shelves of the department stores can't be cheap enough.
Nice initiative, but as long as the overproduction is maintained, there will be no price increase for farmer Jan
Jan 11 September 2018
The (re)introduction of circular agriculture is a matter that will be frustrated by a number of things, in addition to the supermarket groups:

1 Consumer choice. As long as the choice exists, only idealistic consumers will buy a more expensive product, the majority will not. The choice for cheap must then be declined: pay more.

2. The EU: the open borders will continue to allow imports of cheaper food. Other EU countries are not interested in circular agriculture, because agriculture is much less intensive there or where very generous direct subsidies from regional and national budgets have been stimulating the cycle for a long time (Bavaria, Austria, Switzerland).
A solution at the EU, which the minister is talking about, cannot be expected.

3. The EU. The truly insane regulations nip innovation in all kinds of areas in the bud (eg fertilizer legislation).

4. Ignorance/lack of experience among the bulk of the farmers. We don't know how to do it. There is very little research on this point; for those who are interested it is a matter of groping. Research funds are largely spent on 'high-flying'/the ICT hype, promises of precision agriculture that benefit WUR in particular. The idea that precision agriculture offers a solution for circular agriculture does not appeal to me.
A long-term structural condition is mixing arable farming and dairy farming.

5. The exorbitantly high land prices. >100.000 euros for good arable land per ha forces the farmer to extreme intensification for (short-term) profit and risk management, yes under the dictate of the (RABO) bank, which applauds this development because of its own risk management.
manon 11 September 2018
"'Circular agriculture' is a good idea, but rules stop everything"
10 Sep 2018 - 16:55 Dutch
les foar


Photo: Omrop Fryslân, Hayo Bootsma
Bouboeren and feehâlders moatte folle mear gearwurkje. Soks moat liede ta in saneamde 'circular agriculture'. It's the fizy fan minister Carola Schouten fan Lânbou. Neffens har this is the best opsje to get into soad problems fan no tsjin. Kosteferleging and ferheging fan de produksje liede bygelyks ta it ferdwinen fan nature and biodiversity.



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Circular agriculture is a good idea, but rules stop everything
Yn Holwert, flak oan see, wurkje fjouwer boerebedriuwen for some time already sa't the minister it graach sjen wol. It pours around twa bouboeren, in feehâlder and in skieppeboer. Se hawwe mei-inoar yn 2001 set up the feriening Ecolana. The farmers hawwe de feriening sels oprjochte mei as aim to makliker útwreidzje. Der wie net in soad grûn beskikber foar útwreiding, mar troch gear te wurkjen koene de boerebedriuwen inoar helpe. Stadichoan worth dy gearwurking yntinsiver and inne the farmers oerskeakele in mear duorsume lânbou. Sa rydt de bouboer bygelyks op syn lân dong út dy't ôfkomstich is fan kij fan syn buorman.
Dong
The feriening rint wol chin in soad chinstridige rules oan. Bouboer Kees van der Bos: "The biggest problems were in it brûken fan dong. We would like it to bloom on the lân lizzen. That is folle better for it libben yn the grûn. Feehâlder Frans Antonides follet oan: "It moat fuortendaliks ûnder de grûn. Mar krekt as it lizzen bliuwt, soargje de bistjes foar good grûn. It is in foarm fan buorkjen út it ferline. Eins this is in modern foarm fan it âlde, . Everything tight."
The manlju binne entûsjast about the plans of the minister. Sy fernimme sels hoefolle foardielen oft farmers helje kinne út de gearwurking. There is neither all innich nor wool too little knowledge, says van der Bos: "Take care of it libben yn the grûn and how'd you get that. and the quality heger."
Striae
Somtiden within the wool there were discussions, but the peasants had to do it themselves. Sa wol feehâlder Antonides útwreidzje. Buorman Van der Bos is good at that, but already on the assumption that Antonides is not good at what happened with syn dong. "We wolle that hy brûkt yn de stâl. That kinne we folle better spend on it lân", says Van der Bos. Antonides: "And that wolle we ek wol. We wolle no in stâl, we build that rule kinne." Already May, eltsenien is satisfied with the gearwurking. It is sure to come, sa sizze the two men.
??? !!! 11 September 2018
manon wrote:
"'Circular agriculture' is a good idea, but rules stop everything"
10 Sep 2018 - 16:55 Dutch
les foar


Photo: Omrop Fryslân, Hayo Bootsma
Bouboeren and feehâlders moatte folle mear gearwurkje. Soks moat liede ta in saneamde 'circular agriculture'. It's the fizy fan minister Carola Schouten fan Lânbou. Neffens har this is the best opsje to get into soad problems fan no tsjin. Kosteferleging and ferheging fan de produksje liede bygelyks ta it ferdwinen fan nature and biodiversity.



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Circular agriculture is a good idea, but rules stop everything
Yn Holwert, flak oan see, wurkje fjouwer boerebedriuwen for some time already sa't the minister it graach sjen wol. It pours around twa bouboeren, in feehâlder and in skieppeboer. Se hawwe mei-inoar yn 2001 set up the feriening Ecolana. The farmers hawwe de feriening sels oprjochte mei as aim to makliker útwreidzje. Der wie net in soad grûn beskikber foar útwreiding, mar troch gear te wurkjen koene de boerebedriuwen inoar helpe. Stadichoan worth dy gearwurking yntinsiver and inne the farmers oerskeakele in mear duorsume lânbou. Sa rydt de bouboer bygelyks op syn lân dong út dy't ôfkomstich is fan kij fan syn buorman.
Dong
The feriening rint wol chin in soad chinstridige rules oan. Bouboer Kees van der Bos: "The biggest problems were in it brûken fan dong. We would like it to bloom on the lân lizzen. That is folle better for it libben yn the grûn. Feehâlder Frans Antonides follet oan: "It moat fuortendaliks ûnder de grûn. Mar krekt as it lizzen bliuwt, soargje de bistjes foar good grûn. It is in foarm fan buorkjen út it ferline. Eins this is in modern foarm fan it âlde, . Everything tight."
The manlju binne entûsjast about the plans of the minister. Sy fernimme sels hoefolle foardielen oft farmers helje kinne út de gearwurking. There is neither all innich nor wool too little knowledge, says van der Bos: "Take care of it libben yn the grûn and how'd you get that. and the quality heger."
Striae
Somtiden within the wool there were discussions, but the peasants had to do it themselves. Sa wol feehâlder Antonides útwreidzje. Buorman Van der Bos is good at that, but already on the assumption that Antonides is not good at what happened with syn dong. "We wolle that hy brûkt yn de stâl. That kinne we folle better spend on it lân", says Van der Bos. Antonides: "And that wolle we ek wol. We wolle no in stâl, we build that rule kinne." Already May, eltsenien is satisfied with the gearwurking. It is sure to come, sa sizze the two men.


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hans 11 September 2018
Schouten:

"Do I want to be at the supermarket with the lowest price, or do I want to pay a little extra so that the farmer also gets a little more?"
There is no relationship between expensive and cheap supermarkets on the one hand and expensive or cheap purchases. AH does not pay the farmer (processor) more than Lidl. Well later.

"You are either for nature or for the farmer. You are either for a shrinkage of the livestock or for limitless growth. It flattens the discussion. I think this has no chance, because these points ignore what, for example, a shrinkage of the livestock means to the farmers."
Schouten himself avoids the discussion at issue here: farmer's income. Not more or less livestock, or more or less nature. Loans can only be repaid with money, not with more livestock.

It is also important that the Netherlands must adhere to EU agreements in the field of agriculture: Every year at least the agricultural production of the previous year, so also infinite growth.

In short, simple, meaningless statements by Schouten.
January 11 September 2018
† could you possibly comment?
January 11 September 2018
† † so you can join too. https://www.omropfryslan.nl/nieuws/838163-kringlooplandbouw-goed-idee-maar-regelen-houdt-alles-tegen
piet 11 September 2018
The question then is: will it be a battle of who can make the best ad? The supermarket will always stunt with prices. They should also do that from their philosophy. Supermarkets are listed companies. They have to make a profit, and if possible as much as possible. That is what the shareholders demand. Competition is the basis of this profit. "If you don't have it, I'll get it from someone else"
Joep 11 September 2018
In the past, battery cages were banned in Europe. These were largely sold second-hand to the Ukraine. Now the EU imports millions of eggs from the same Ukraine for a lower price than our poultry farmers can afford. With our circular agriculture, our products will become so expensive that we can no longer export. The consumer has the right to buy the cheap product. Abroad will fill this in. Schouten is having a good time..........
john 11 September 2018
economic feasibility is number one, which is why the introduction of circular agriculture will not be realized in a cabinet term, but new legislation and subsidies will be tested against the contribution of a better cycle and fewer losses. Over a longer period of time you will automatically get a more sustainable agriculture and not one where only plasters are stuck.

cooperation between the various sectors is a precondition for this. I therefore do not think that products from the cycle are more expensive, rather cheaper because residual flows gain value.
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Skirt 11 September 2018
Circular agriculture would therefore mean that we would fertilize our land with, among other things, sewage water, because the consumer is also a producer of manure.
It is better, however, for consumers to collect their excrement separately and have it collected weekly by the 'recycling plant', which then delivers it to the agricultural sector.
The consumer must also keep track of what food is consumed and what is removed as faeces.
And so the circular system will be carried in all harmony and love by every citizen.
abalo 11 September 2018
Not easy, but start with the basics: price formation is the result of supply and demand and not just in the Netherlands. Low price elasticity of demand, trend growth of production and limited mobility of production factors leads to structural underremuneration. Who takes responsibility and which agreements are needed to reduce the European supply at a low price?
Skirt 11 September 2018
Forget this idealistic image, if we had wanted this, participation in the EU would not have been a good choice anyway, we are now fully engaged in international waters as agriculture, there is no place for local circular activities without the participants being financially totally involved. perish if the borders are not closed to cheap imports.
Ton Westgeest 11 September 2018
The agriculture minister indicated that she is aware that her policy determines the night's sleep of the farmer........................... Yo! how is that possible?
Lie, accuse, fine, exaggerate and make fun of the entire industry. Now that she can't go anywhere with the supporters, we're going to have empty talk, soon she will start with a Max Havelaar brand for farmers. Whether the consumer is susceptible to it! Yes, then the farmers will regain control.... Just as if they let that happen!! "Divide and rule" is the motto of this minister.
How long have we been saying it, removing manure and supplying tons of fertilizer.. Those backward rules that they come up with in The Hague with the cooperation of WUR. Now she pretends to have laid the egg of Columbus. I have a vision....!
jpk 11 September 2018
Girl schoutenspars the cabbage and the goat natural crop protection agents have an effect of 10% the supermarket mafia have given their purchases to special companies because of this they are no longer liable.
The cheapest product is on the shelf no one dares to say that consumers have to raise prices 20% if the successors want to take over the family businesses
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pete pilot 12 September 2018
we farmers must become a unit
calculate cost price and use a margin
do all companies
it's not easy but the only solution
together with abroad
costs price plus margin that will be the mission
??? !!! 12 September 2018
petepilot wrote:
we farmers must become a unit
calculate cost price and use a margin
do all companies
it's not easy but the only solution
together with abroad
costs price plus margin that will be the mission


Can I calculate my own cost price?
Then I can deliver cheaper!!!
hans 12 September 2018
World hunger increased for the 3rd consecutive year,
85 people on Earth own more than the 3.5 billion, 3.500.000.000 poorest.

Chinese people work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day for starvation wages, African and Z. American people work for next to nothing on gigantic farms and tend the cultures unprotected from spraying,
while hunger and poverty are all around them.

Everything is transported to the "rich west", to be wasted there.

And we're going to feed the world?
And we feel more valuable than those people?
And we want to be rewarded fairly?

Dream on, here too the ordinary people are stripped to the bone.
Skirt 12 September 2018
Exactly Hans, ban the import, then those people do not have to undergo slaves, cycle is also ensuring that the money here in NL stays with the NL farmers. In short, closed borders and a Dutch cycle.
Skirt 12 September 2018
On to the Next!! Long live the complete cycle, we are going to produce everything in NL ourselves, Fokker restarts, DAF back in NL hands, KLM fully NL again, Philips has to start producing in NL again. Everything according to the strictest recycling standards. EN=No waist Longer!
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the Frisian 12 September 2018
tige by tige Manon. Gentlemen and ladies this is your second official state language.
hans 12 September 2018
Kjol, you don't have to ban the imports, but make sure it is produced and transported according to your standards. So taking into account social and environmentally friendly standards.
Trade with western countries can then continue in the same way, we certainly do not need the EU.
Trade with Asian, African and South American countries will indeed become more difficult, but this will mainly affect the multinationals.
This, of course, only if they do not produce or have produced there according to normal conditions, which now often turns out to be the case, and international transport simply also pays tax and excise duty on fuel.
??? !!! 12 September 2018
@friesen: Rijkstaal fine, but leave it in that part of the kingdom called friesland and not on an (ab)normal Dutch forum

@kjol: borders closed? then it is also done with Dutch agriculture: after all, approximately 85% based on exports.
Skirt 12 September 2018
Indeed, the cycle will become an NL hallmark, which means that no more imports can take place, is also logical, otherwise the NL agriculture will go completely bankrupt, it is not the intention of the cycle to set aside fertile land. It also seems obvious to me that the loss of exports will have to be passed on to the Dutch consumer. Look, for example, you can also say that everyone has to drive electrically and therefore everyone is green, but if this electricity is generated from coal, then it is not a cycle, simple as that.
??? !!! 12 September 2018
At sometime. Let's keep the problem that food should become 10x more expensive and that trade should be limited: both are completely inconceivable, even in the medium term.
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Skirt 12 September 2018
Then circular agriculture is a completely meaningless empty objective, and only good for the inventor to make nice decorations with it.
jpk 26 September 2018
Schouten girl wants to return to horse and carriage farming whispered by the NGO under the guise of save the earth. You can see her attitude towards crop protection. Tools to grow quality such as gmo crispr cas .the only thing that is a bit profitable quality
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nn 30 September 2018
If anyone elevates world peace as policy, as vision, that's where we should go. Then no one is against it.

But we live in reality.

So we move on to the order of the day. Each for his own interest. Screaming that he is short, more is necessary! After all, someone else has it better.

But dwell on an ideal of reasonableness is ......




??? !!! 30 September 2018
nn, world peace fine, otherwise vague drivel.
world peace can only be achieved in my opinion with a direct ban on religion.
so let's go to the polls to limit freedom of religion to behind one's own front door.
After all: one religion does not fit another: war.
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