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POV breaks with Schouten, LTO threatens, dairy worried

10 October 2019 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 20 comments

The Producers Organization for Pig Farming (POV) has suspended consultations with the Ministry of Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality due to the new nitrogen policy. LTO Nederland also threatens to do this and the Dutch dairy sector declares to be concerned about the effect of the nitrogen measures.

The interest groups report this separately in statements. The pig farming sector is completely fed up with the fact that on the eve of a collectively agreed stop scheme, pig farmers are being confronted with 'new regulations and ill-considered measures' in nitrogen. "And what will it be tomorrow? Particulate matter? Greenhouse gases?" POV chair Linda Jansen says that her supporters are more than tired of it. “An integrated approach to environmental policy is hard to find. We will not be robbed.”

According to Jansen, it "doesn't make sense to talk any longer with a government that sets up separate regulations for each individual substance." The POV only wants to sit down with Minister Schouten again for a discussion if she receives recognition for "the enormous contribution that pig farming has already made to ammonia reduction and the sector is rewarded for all its efforts instead of being robbed. take steps to arrive at a robust policy, based on facts and measurements, and the sector wants room for the implementation of its Vitalization Pig Farming Action Plan, which was set up together with the ministry and chain parties."

Turning the tide
Where the POV, in which LTO Pig farming is represented, is therefore breaking with Minister Schouten for the time being, the umbrella organization LTO Nederland does not want to go that far yet. LTO states in a statement that it will not resign yet, because the organization 'sees it as its task and responsibility to try to turn the tide through politics and ministries.' The organization does denounce the current state of affairs in nitrogen measures, without, incidentally, questioning the entire nitrogen policy.

For example, LTO strongly opposes the taking of animal and phosphate rights in the event of external netting and the deletion of the latent space. According to the organization, that is 'unacceptable'. This has far-reaching consequences for the investments already made, the current operational management and the further development into future-proof companies that make an important contribution to sustainability and reduction of emissions, LTO reports.

LTO issues ultimatum
The organization also believes that there should be more figures, research and full transparency about nitrogen deposition for a 'fair area-oriented approach' for Natura 2000 areas. LTO calls Schouten's decision to install more measuring points a step forward.

LTO Netherlands has issued an ultimatum of 1 November 2019. If the Ministry of Agriculture has not adjusted its nitrogen policy and has incorporated the input from the interest groups in its policy, LTO threatens to pull the plug from the consultations.

Livestock ranching threatens
The collective Dutch dairy sector is also extremely concerned in a letter about the elaboration of the nitrogen policy. Like LTO, organizations in the dairy sector fear the effect of taking phosphate rights with external netting. "There will then be no more development space for dairy farmers to invest in making the sector more sustainable, partly with a view to climate agreements and circular agriculture." 

The dairy sector is also suspicious of the arrangement that other parties outside agriculture can buy unlimited nitrogen space in agriculture. 'In this free market mechanism, parties with the greatest financial scope will be the winner, resulting in an exodus of the livestock sectors and indirectly the countryside.' The dairy sector has come to the conclusion that the nitrogen policy shows that 'apparently there is no longer any room or perspective in this country for dynamic, sustainable and innovative dairy farming.' 

Confrontation after actions
The confrontation that the interest groups are now seeking with the Ministry of Agriculture cannot be seen in isolation from the massive protests by farmers in the Netherlands, with the demonstration by Agractie and Farmers Defense Force on 1 October on the Malieveld as the provisional high point. These organizations are very critical of the advocacy of LTO and its affiliated organizations.

For example, Agractie has asked the ministry to be recognized as an official representative. Both Farmers Defense Force and Agractie have independently announced new actions, starting again on October 16 in The Hague.

 

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20 comments
socks 11 October 2019
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
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I hope LTO slept in on time
dairy farmer 11 October 2019
the dairy sector must also withdraw together with the pov,
we must no longer let ourselves be screwed by that blöf from The Hague.
grain grower 11 October 2019
Is there really no one who understands what a ruling by the Council of State means in a legal system such as the Netherlands! the battle has been won in the field of nitrogen deposition!
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jantje 11 October 2019
grain grower wrote:
Is there really no one who understands what a ruling by the Council of State means in a legal system such as the Netherlands! the battle has been won in the field of nitrogen deposition!
The Council of State has already made a statement about nitrogen deposition, but not about who will pay the bill...
jef 11 October 2019
The Council of State has issued a statement about the approach such as that with the PAS. The PAS has been fired, and there must be another way to replace it. And a number of parties are making clever use of this to blame the livestock sector.
Mart 11 October 2019
Jeff, you are absolutely right.
The Council of State has fired the PAS as a means; Nothing more and nothing less.
It now only needs to be looked at how a better interpretation can be given to replace the PAS.
Various parties are currently making 'misuse' of the situation by wanting to incorporate various environmental requirements.
Unfortunately, when compiling his report, Remkes was also tempted by these environmental requirements; SAD.
pater 11 October 2019
If one wants to remediate (warm) then one has to pay today's value and not the value if one is made of nature.
A dairy farm should then be bought in its entirety including
land according to the value without change of confession is therefore 7 to 8 euros for the land or it must be ensured that you can buy a comparable company elsewhere and then be fully compensated
Thon 11 October 2019
Farmers take hard action! You have every option to perform an action. Don't get slaughtered! Otherwise, the crime, weeds and vermin will be the boss!
Marijke 11 October 2019
Totally agree with Thon. The Netherlands wants the best boy again

Playing off the class and who pays the bill???

Don't let farmers fool you!
Bert RUYNE 11 October 2019
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MARIJKE. EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO LIVE ABOVE THEIR STANDING, SO IF WE IMPORT FOOD FROM THE UKRAINE THESE CO2 EMISSIONS DO NOT COUNT FOR OUR REQUEST IN THE PARIS AGREEMENT AND BV THE NETHERLANDS STAKES ITS HEAD IN THE SAND AND THINK LEAVES ME FOR ANOTHER . I JUST FLY AND CONSUME ON, AFTER ME THE FLOOD. WHAT ARE THE CO2 EMISSIONS OF A CLIENT? MAYBE WE CAN DISCLOSE THEM AND SO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE BROUGHT NOTHING TO THE FARMERS THAN JUST HEAD WORRIES AND nonsense/UNWORKABLE RULES.
Henk 11 October 2019
the bill is deposited where it belongs. In nitrogen policy, too, the polluter must be held accountable for his harmful behaviour. The fact that society (those other 16 million Dutch people) want to spend hundreds of millions on this is pure leniency. we have to think: if the farmer no longer complains, the end of the world is near....
until here and no further 11 October 2019
bert RUYNE has a point, I would like it, all officials to autswietse, problem solved
Drent 11 October 2019
the polluter pays, hmmm do we also get paid for converting CO2 into oxygen by means of the crops?
AJoet Twente 11 October 2019
The Pas has been shot down , that is a fact .
Before that we had external netting , a fair system . Which was also legally watertight. A stopping farmer sells NH3 to an expanding farmer and on average about 30% of the NH3 was lost.
This system must come back, without extra discount, theft of animal and phosphate rights. A NBW license is irrevocable, so you cannot take any latent space from it, only sell it voluntarily.
Then enter a threshold value N equal to Germany and Belgium. Companies with a PAS tolerance permit are also out of the woods.
And more importantly no billions of claims for the government .
Finally , we will have the N and NH3 deposition measured in the coming years by an FAIR and INDEPENDENT organization , which can then be used as a basis for policy .
How easy can it be, if Schouten is smooth, she can announce it on Tuesday evening.
Ton Westgeest 12 October 2019
dr. de Groot asks questions to Thiery in the room:

1 in five children along the highway suffers from asthma, which is caused by nitrogen.

This doctor indicates once again that he graduated in Leiden, but does not give the right facts.
The fact is that nitrogen NOx along the highway, aviation and industry cannot be compared with nitrogen from agriculture. The NOx nitrogen is air pollution and provides fertilizer for nature. The ammonia nitrogen is only fertilizer that falls within 5 kilometers of the farm.

In the past, children from the big city came to stay on the farm because they had asthma, polluted lungs from traffic NOx. The children recovered because of the ammonia air from the farm, how is it possible that these two species are compared???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywVXOYILshs&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=S4zuW5igXvFAVw_V%3A6
Mdv 12 October 2019
The pass was a better policy for the nature reserves, because these were going to meet the strict Dutch standard. After shooting only because of the EU policy, but then the Council of State is also obliged to impose the EU standard on the nature reserves, these are many times less strict. If not then we go to the European court.
Dirk 13 October 2019
Jesse Klaver suggested in the second room that the farmer should keep the thin and the thick fraction separate again, I am curious if he has already adapted his toilet
Anja 13 October 2019
I am not a farmer's wife but I follow your farmers closely. This horrible heel-licking cabinet towards Brussels is really destroying everything here. Farmers and ranchers, do your duty and stand up for your country.
sustainable producer 13 October 2019
who is a potential polluter? and who and which product is a non-polluter/emitter of nitrogen/co2?
As soon as this is known, you can start taxing.
a liter of milk made by a cow that has been fed concentrateless will not pollute anything (but it is lean and has a low production).
a Kg fertilizer made with fossil fuels will be taxed as a category 3 polluter.
If these taxes are levied at source, production stops for a long time because the market does not buy it at that price.
So a fair thrift pointer will be a long way off.
Let's all stop using this word then.
sandals 13 October 2019
Some dairy processors in the Netherlands have already made the cycle indicator mandatory for their suppliers from 2015 if these suppliers were intensive.
The dairy doesn't have to be concerned, does it?
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