Schouten: 'I have the ball in nitrogen policy'

Ton Westgeest 20 November 2019

This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/ artikel/10884750/schouten-de-bal-in-het-stikstofbeleid-ligt-bij-mij]Schouten: 'The ball in nitrogen policy is with me'[/url]

Greenpeace is in a first reaction to wipe the floor with the plans of the Agricultural Collective.

They call the farmers the biggest cause of the nitrogen crisis. I didn't expect anything else.....

Farmers were also the biggest cause of the acid rain, we were also the biggest cause of the hole in the ozone layer, of the phosphate crisis and now the ammonia crisis. It turned out afterwards when the industry had done something about it, eg making soaps phosphate-free, etc. that it no longer applied. That's how it is with everything and now also with nitrogen

You cannot compare these two nitrogens with each other, NOx is poison for your lungs and ammonia is only a fertilizer, which is at most 500 mtr. descends from a farm. With that you fertilize, in most cases your own country.

Industry, traffic, aviation and shipping will have to work again to tackle the real problem, just like with phosphate. Otherwise this will not be solved.....

I think that the green lobby, including Greenpeace, Natuurmonumenten, Milieudefensie, Dierenbescherming and others, are part of the problem themselves. They are working on structurally creating and expanding nature parks. Parks that do not deserve the status of nature, but with which a lot of money is raked in. As a result, lock the Netherlands with the rules.

If the politicians want to go that way, let them just say it honestly.... We certainly don't have a manufacturing industry anymore, and we also want the food to come from abroad...

But don't say when things go wrong: "I can't remember!!!!"

Ton Westgeest 20 November 2019

The Amer power station, which is actually located in the natura 2000 area, will soon receive a permit..... for expansion of the emissions!!!!

On May 7, just before the PAS ruling, the Province of Brabant has licensed 82.664 kg of ammonia and 1,6 million kg of NOx to the Amercentrale.

That is an increase as large as the total emissions of 400 dairy farms.

The government has come up with something else 5,7 billion subsidy for the Amercentrale to cut trees in Eastern Europe, South and North America for biomass.

They are there mechanically cut, mechanically ground, pressed into a kind of concentrated feed pellet, loaded into ships, sailed over with polluted fuel oil, burned here where thousands of tons of CO2 are released. Now what nitrogen, what now CO2!!!!!!!!!!

How is it possible that we burn trees and thus blow them into the atmosphere, where CO2 has been stored for hundreds of years, which can no longer absorb CO2 and all with a subsidy????

And why????? Because, just like the aircraft above 915 meters altitude, it does not count for nitrogen emissions, the biomass does not count for the climate objectives............

For people with COPD, bronchitis and asthma, it does count!

Greenpeace and Politics go do something about the real problems!!!!

Farmer Dieuwke 20 November 2019

The nitrogen reduction measures proposed by fellow farmers are old fashioned after all. Nothing new, mentioned a hundred times already. A farmer who is up to date has been working like this for a long time. Too late and too little! We farmers really need to solve our own problems. Ton W. does nothing and always refers to others. Pure last century approach: classic PvdA approach.

Marie 20 November 2019

What was the NOx attack on the environment of all those tractors to, on and from the Malieveld? As a D66 member, I can't burp or see for a while. .Working people, that doesn't bother you...

Kees 20 November 2019

Marie when we go away from home, we immediately start whining about nox! i don't know how do you travel to work for me but two steps and no traffic jams. I also don't take holidays because the work has to go on anyway. How do you do this?

Kees 20 November 2019

Marie when we go away from home, we immediately start whining about nox! i don't know how do you travel to work for me but two steps and no traffic jams. I also don't take holidays because the work has to go on anyway. How do you do this?

peta 21 November 2019

Marie wrote:

What was the NOx attack on the environment of all those tractors to, on and from the Malieveld? As a D66 member, I can't burp or see for a while. .Working people, that doesn't bother you...

Yes Marie that D66 people no longer want to see a farmer is still clear to every blind and deaf person. Start the farmer boycott yourself and stop eating, the problem will solve itself. Deeds not words, dear Marie, the ball is in your court.

Ruud Beijer 21 November 2019

If the farmers still vote for the CU or the CDA Christians Serve Alla, then it is their own fault that they lose everything. Haven't you had enough of that creepy hypocrisy? The CU are creepy hypocrites and overlookers. Together with the cda Christians serve alla. Also such hypocrites and lookers in the Netherlands.

Dirk 21 November 2019

What is very special is that yesterday it was announced that most large companies in N. Brabant do not have a nature conservation permit, it would cost too many jobs! Heineken Hijmans the Amercentrale in the Biesbos, with this wisdom, that the prov. If she doesn't have her affairs in order, it is over with the consultation with our sector for the time being

shoemakers 1 21 November 2019

Austria embraces 140, how crazy can you be here to keep lowering. Used to be 120,100,80 and 50. Now the plan at 100,60,50,30 and walking pace, where are we going, seems like just standing still is the goal.

Johan 22 November 2019

Marie needs help fast, I'm afraid it won't help. Clear language Ton.

Marie 23 November 2019

Farmers don't always look to others. The grass is not greener with others. The grassland of farmers is dark green due to the excess of nitrogen. Money waste, it could be a little less, I think

jp 23 November 2019

Marie wrote:

Farmers don't always look to others. The grass is not greener with others. The grassland of farmers is dark green due to the excess of nitrogen. Money waste, it could be a little less, I think

Dear Marie, as fries already wrote; take action against the farmers and stop eating, together we will solve this!

Skirt 23 November 2019

@Marie, I would quickly stop breathing then you will at least no longer emit CO2 and you will contribute to reducing nitrogen emissions

shoemakers 1 23 November 2019

strange, isn't it, that the organic grass is greener in the autumn all the usual, so that means that organic is worse for the environment, nitrate leaching

Marie 23 November 2019

You revolve around it. Structurally, a few kg less nitrogen per hectare saves a lot of money, is good for the environment and gives the same yield and we are already well on the way. That is the law of diminishing returns. Who could be against that.

Marie 23 November 2019

714.000 ha grassland in NL X 2kg N = 1.428.000 kg N x 6 = approx. 8.500.000 kg fertilizer = 8.500 tons.
That makes a difference! Just a simple calculation on the back of my box of Havana's

Marie 23 November 2019

As a whole, we arrive at 4 to 5 million kg N. That is already 5% of the total nitrogen emissions from arable farming. Come on guys, now you! This is already much more than the 'old cake' plans of the farmers' collective

jp 23 November 2019

Marie, do you really think that nl arable farming is not already involved?

Marie 24 November 2019

JP, of course measurements are taken and advice is given. But the advice data is always too high. Under the motto: "a little more can't hurt". Herein lies the "evil".

shoemakers 1 24 November 2019

Dear Marie, you really have no idea how it works, you are so stupid

shoemakers 1 24 November 2019

Most crops nowadays have many diseases due to the lack of fertilizers that we have to spray against again to save something from the harvest, indeed that extra kilo is good for everything, but you don't understand that, and neither does the government, who only want less, wilders is being tried for it, would also be necessary at rutte

Arable farming2.0 24 November 2019

Marie wrote:

JP, of course measurements are taken and advice is given. But the advice data is always too high. Under the motto: "a little more can't hurt". Herein lies the "evil".

Look at my crop for nitrogen requirements, think of nitrogen windows, etc. Nitrogen sample from laboratory is a snapshot. Spreading too much nitrogen costs money and wheat yield goes Down with a lot of rain (alloy).

So think that most arable farmers who do not use drag hoses but just use NTS and solid manure do not spray too much NTS in the autumn.

Marie 24 November 2019

That's what I mean "shoemaker 1" too much NPK is absolutely not good, then you get a lack of other minerals: see theory about 'vat van Liebig'. Thank you!

Marie 24 November 2019

Wilders leads to nothing. But the people get what they deserve. Then I move to the Randstad; fresh air from the sea.

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quite coarse 24 November 2019

Great stuff that nitrogen, you can't have enough of it!!
It's the government that has a problem with it and makes it, not me and neither do most of us, but who does??
Left-wing green mafia who think nature is going to die, nope. My nature is growing quite well but I'm also working on it!!
If you are afraid of some acidification, I would just sprinkle some lime, we do too and it goes very well!
The nature of that left-wing mafia adapts itself because it has been doing that for billions of years so why not now?? Just give it time and accept that plant growth will change and adapt itself.
We can't do without the earth but the earth can do very well without us!!

Ruud Beijer 4 December 2019

Voting for the CU or CDA means End farms. They have been fooling you for 40 years, so wake up farmers in the Netherlands.

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