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De Groot: 'Organic is not circular agriculture'

23 January 2020 - Anne Jan Doorn - 42 comments

Organic farming is not circular farming. Organic agriculture is a forerunner in the field of circular agriculture. That is what Tjeerd de Groot, Member of Parliament for D66, said at the Biobeurs in Zwolle.

De Groot gathered many audiences at the fair. They urged the D66 member that organic farming should be seen more as circular agriculture. Organic as such should be included in Minister Schouten's vision. Because, it was stated, organic farming is at the forefront when it comes to circular agriculture. De Groot partly agrees, but notes that organic farming can also make further strides in this area.

Less consideration for existing guard
According to De Groot, regular agriculture has misunderstood Minister Schouten's circular vision. "People think 'we have been doing circular agriculture for a long time, because we already use a lot of residual products', but it is of course nonsense that, for example, soy meal is seen as a residual product. As a politician, we should not take too much account of the existing guard."

De Groot recognizes that the market is important for sustainable agriculture. "The FrieslandCampinas and Vions of this world have to think less in terms of bulk production, but more in terms of quality production. They are not yet sufficiently aware of this. We have to force them and the supermarkets to take more serious efforts to make agriculture more sustainable."

System is wrong
According to De Groot, the system is not right now: "There is no car manufacturer that produces as many cars as it can based on the amount of steel it gets. That is what happens in the current agricultural sector." De Groot believes that there is now a lot of talk about the nitrogen crisis, while Minister Schouten should take the bull by the horns and continue in the transition to circular agriculture."

The public asked whether there should be a price reduction for organic products compared to conventional products. This can be done, for example, by lowering or even eliminating VAT on organic products. However, De Groot saw no point in this as he expects the supermarkets and processing industry to add this price reduction to their profit margin.

 

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Anne-Jan Doorn

Anne Jan Doorn is an arable expert at Boerenbusiness. He writes about the various arable farming markets and also focuses on the land and energy market.
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42 comments
janus 23 January 2020
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/ artikel/10885484/de-groot-biologisch-is-no-cycle agriculture]De Groot: 'Organic is not a circular agriculture'[/url]
Mouth full of sustainability, when will it become clear how the
€ 60 million, which is available for sustainability (for 2 years already), will be released. When I look at the RAV list, it is not really easy to find a good system that is workable for both the environment and animal welfare.
hans 23 January 2020
Close the ports of Rotjedam and Shithol, and you will soon have a much more sustainable society, both in terms of (circular) agriculture, and in terms of society as a whole, plus enormous energy savings on a global level.

But I don't hear Tjeerdje about that. Bran over soybean meal.....
a lot? 23 January 2020
quote: De Groot gathered many audiences at the fair.

The photos show about 50 men. "It's just what you find a lot.

@anne jan: what do you like a lot? do you vote d66 or something?

Incidentally, the big misses the point with the example of the car industry. We farmers do not produce too much, there is still a lot of hunger in the world. Only a very small part of good food ends up in a fermenter when there is too much supply.
There are large reserves, but that is a political story. Politicians do not want food scarcity and also want to keep prices under control. This is best done with large stocks.
xx 23 January 2020
It is a pity that they are bullying all good hardworking farmers away. This country doesn't really deserve good farmers.
Abroad welcomes them with open arms.
At least they are happy if there are people who provide extra prosperity.
grunt 23 January 2020
Mr. de Groot is in theory a progressive farmer, but in practice he would be bankrupt within a quarter. in short, no realism at all in everything he shouts.
jp 23 January 2020
"we should not take too much account of the existing guard in politics"..... he really says this...
The guard that the whole world looks at with admiration.
Can't believe that those people are standing in line for that, also says something about them.....
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market 23 January 2020

I really don't understand why this idiot is getting so much attention

always that framing of "bulk" is bad quality

Small or large-scale production is completely independent of quality

Mercedes builds 2.5 million cars a year Lada 300000

just ignore this man




Bob 23 January 2020
It is said that there are many more crazy people on the loose than there are trapped!
I believe he is one of them.
Talens 23 January 2020
Dear Anne-Jan,

What steps should organic farming still take for circular agriculture, according to Tjeerdje?
sustainable producer 23 January 2020
when are you: "recycle farmer"?

fjk 23 January 2020
That they let the climate Nazi there. Don't allow anywhere and don't give a stage anymore
René 23 January 2020
Well veggie Tjeerd, where do your residual flows go??
And how does your veggie food grow?

That's right from fertilizer, after all you don't want livestock and your sewer is burned!
You are the biggest asshole in today's politics!

First, organize your own cycle.
Eat your belly around with the genetically modified vitB12 pills, tasty!
Gerard 23 January 2020
The Groot being equal is ruthless and the man cannot listen
Note:
He adds nothing substantive.
I believe he shows many traits of a Narcissist .
Just look at a tweet from last week during his visit to the Grune Woche.
Bert van 't Klooster 23 January 2020
If this man does not see soybean meal as a by-product from human food, you are not even (consciously) blind to one but two eyes!
With these political "" qualities "" you see once again that it is really time for an enterprising business cabinet to instill a sense of reality in The Hague. Who will take that chance?
young farmer 23 January 2020
It's great how agricultural NL is snapping again, you pretend De Groot is a minister of agriculture!
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Best 23 January 2020
he is right, a part comes from human food, but also a very large part is not and animal feed is made from that. and he knows that very well because he has not been with the NZO for nothing. we farmers must radiate 1 things if we keep 1 cow here elsewhere in the world have to keep 3 and that quality requirements are so strict here and that elsewhere in the world the use of animal health and antibiotics is far behind the Netherlands and that you can get rid of them hunting but that elsewhere in the world 3 cows are needed with the necessary manure and environment and 10 veterinary medicines and health requirements and that we have such fertile land that elsewhere in the world we need 10 m2 of land but here we only need 1 m2 for the same product need land there the discussion must pass with everyone from politics we must be able to substantiate that we don't do that and are we going to waste our time on De Groot we are going to lose the match to the left green people pass this on to everyone you know beam it dare to say it at parties you vote for green politics the world where the real nature is is destroyed by a few ego knew who think we can save the world and just make it a bigger mess look at Buitenhof https://www.vpro.nl/buitenhof/speel~POMS_AT_15837258~hein-schumacher-ceo-frieslandcampina~.html 49:20 second here it is told it is that then disseminate the solution that everyone should share via phasebook twitter show it to the people make your network big try to make people think.
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market 23 January 2020
@young farmer

indeed De Groot has put on far too big pants with his d66 (polls +/- 10 seats) coalition parties VVD and CDA not to mention FVD and PVV are completely fed up with him
Bert van 't Klooster 23 January 2020
Dear Madam ""Young Farmer's Wife""
I want no conscious untruths to be proclaimed from the tax cents I paid (so fake news)
In our upbringing, the maxim is that whoever deliberately fools customers can leave!! (and therefore will not receive any redundancy pay)
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market 23 January 2020
@Best

lose the match from the left?

I'm not afraid of that at all

in the near future, those climate and environmental extremists (now that really large amounts are being sprinkled) will lose a lot of sympathy very quickly

after all, the ordinary man/woman who already has nothing too much left of his average income will have to afford these amounts

as soon as that starts to sink in, it will quickly become less with all the air cycling of the left Netherlands
sefO 23 January 2020
Stop giving that fagot a stage!!
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Best 23 January 2020
@ market

On the left, the VVD will now also come under look here in Brabant. what are they doing here here is the ARK foundation of the province of North Brabant that buys land for 7,5 to 8 euros and converts it into nature then we are already losing the game and the discussion between our friends from the ZLTO is already just lost they are thinking in chances to make our soil Nature am honest if it goes on like this it is going quite the wrong way. waiting for your response to this
market 23 January 2020
@ Best

totally agree

it has been going in the wrong direction in terms of priorities in the Netherlands for a long time

what I mainly meant was that I am not afraid that it will get much worse and that this line will continue like this

at some point the shore will turn the ship (thanks to people like Timmermans Jetten and de Groot) I am firmly convinced of that
corendon 23 January 2020
Tjeerd has just returned from a distant holiday in the sun.
jgj 23 January 2020
Too bad that left rat was there
Staple 23 January 2020
I have a Challenger: no residual products for 1 month!
Let's see what is said then.
No cycle.
Dear Geert, go cycling!!
Staple 23 January 2020
I have a Challenge: do not process residual products for 1 month!
Let's see what is said then.
No cycle.
Dear Tjeerd, go cycling!!
Gaj.vandenbroek@gmail.com 23 January 2020
It is a pity that you are not allowed to have an opinion in the Netherlands.
And it is played straight to the point.
Discussion shows no respect.

Marie jose 23 January 2020
Bert, finally a farmer who admits to paying net tax: you pay more to the government than you receive from the government.
Jos 24 January 2020
Let Geertje eat his own shit if he wants to recycle
south farmer 24 January 2020
The same respect that Mr. de Groot gives us Mr. van den Broek by portraying us as environmental polluters, described as 'existing guards who should not be taken into account and which the majority of farmers want to kill? That's how this good Hendrik looks at us farmers to help the country completely to hell with his party members and drug fanatics. That this is also given a stage. Too outrageous for words.
Ton Westgeest 24 January 2020
According to De Groot, the system is not right now: "There is no car manufacturer that produces as many cars as it can based on the amount of steel it gets. That is what happens in the current agricultural sector."

This comparison does show the intellectual disability of de Groot....

The Schouten cycle is now also known as a groupie of Van Drie according to the Quote, with the import of 800.000 calves per year. She is also partly to blame for the nitrogen problem in the Netherlands.

My statement:
Politicians are mainly to blame for the nitrogen crisis and can/should also solve it!!!
Marie jose 24 January 2020
You know that very well. From the 50s, the farmers' lobby was too strong for the government. The effects are therefore disastrous. Intervention is required. Also good for the farmers themselves, because then they live 5 years longer, as elsewhere in the Randstad. Farmers live shorter lives due to poison and nitrogen. They deserved it.(!). So Ton, replace Government with Farmers in your statement.
Ton Westgeest 25 January 2020
You can be for or against Marie-José, but I won't change the position.
The government has no vision and is now also issuing a permit for a stable of 25000 pigs where 20000 pigs were previously burned...
While millions are being earmarked to buy away family businesses!!!
Markt 25 January 2020
@ ton westgeest

So you think it's fine if a company burns down in the Netherlands that the government then decides that you can't build back

Maybe emigrating to North Korea is an idea
Marie jose 25 January 2020
I wish farmers a longer life in a cleaner environment. In China, animals are again to blame for virus transmission. A wipe sign.
Ton Westgeest 25 January 2020
I won't stop anyone from going to North Korea.....

What matters to me is that it is sick that you hand out permits, about quantities that you do not want, or that you hand out permits that you later withdraw (Brabant), and permits for a so-called nature reserve.

It's not about that you can't build back after a fire, it's about that there is no vision and line what the government concocted and what ultimately turns out completely wrong......

And that's not just for agricultural Netherlands, that's for tax, health, education and now Defense again with the barracks in Zeeland!!!
Markt 25 January 2020
@marie Jose

"In China, the animals are again to blame for virus transmission is a bad sign."

Let me guess your proposal is going to exterminate all animals in the world
Markt 25 January 2020
@ ton westgeest

The government does not issue new permits

The arrangement you write about is voluntary, there is nothing wrong with that in itself

What you write should be imposed by the government that's quite a world of difference
Joris 27 January 2020
I think that Marie-José needs a good fuck to dim her frustrations a bit.
Does someone volunteer?
NB not me, she kills a bit too much from her vertical mouth
Hub Rich 27 January 2020
Lows are, of course, always tentative. you never know what will come next. But much lower than the "contribution" of Mr Joris must not be possible?!? I am regularly amazed that such completely disrespectful statements bubble up from an industry that demands respect.
kees 27 January 2020
very well said Huib!
shoemakers 1 28 January 2020
virus transmission has now also surfaced in Germany, transmitted by planes, in animal diseases they are always there to stop everything, why did that not happen here?
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