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Are agricultural tables entering the Alice in Wonderland phase?

18 February 2023 - Klaas van der Horst - 11 comments

The consultations at the agricultural tables that have been going on for weeks have not aroused many positive feelings among the agricultural participants, according to information from participants. Rather the reverse. Again and again the question of trust comes up and discussion about the process itself. In our weekly section Nitrogen Mood, we give an impression of the nitrogen crisis in our own way.

Discussion leader Wouter de Jong would rather make progress and complete his schedule. Phase 1 is almost completed, phase 2 of the process is imminent, he has indicated. However, many participants indicate that they would like to know what phase 1 has yielded before entering the next consultation phase.

Tar and feathers
Participants also say they feel increasingly uncomfortable with the consultation process. "It feels more and more like an Alice in Wonderland process," said one participant. Another fears that if the general public hears what is being discussed, the participants will be tarred and feathered. It is also a problem that not everything can be discussed in the Agricultural Agreement. Such as the National Plan Rural Area (NPLG).

€37 billion for NPLG targets
The government has €37 billion ready for this, it appears documents from Minister Sigrid Kaag. This money must be used to pay for a 31% reduction in the livestock population, many companies must be adapted and a lot of nitrogen and ammonia reduction must also be achieved (which LTO foreman Van der Tak thought was not the case).

Van der Tak wants the same as Van der Wal, doesn't he?
De Jong continues to encourage the conversation to continue, as the chairman does in his weekly talk. Van der Tak believes it is crucial to have an agreement no later than mid-April, otherwise the government will continue with the area processes itself. Something that Minister Van der Wal indicated this week. She also wants an agreement in mid-April. At the same time, Van der Tak does not know whether an agreement is feasible because of the many uncertainties surrounding PAS reporters and the like. There can also hardly be clarity about the peak loaders, for which Van der Wal has devised a different identification method.

Area processes seem to have already started
Others take offense that some of those area processes seem to have already begun. On the border of Utrecht and South Holland, a group of farmers has already been more or less told that they have to leave, while consultations have not yet started. Anger about this was the reason that a consultation evening in Kamerik was canceled because deputies no longer dared to come. The situation there is also painful, because the farmers had already started their own regional process, for which they were welcomed with open arms by the government. Now an area process seems superfluous because the farmers have to leave anyway.

Not fiercely attractive anymore
Meanwhile, the letters that Minister Van der Wal sent to the House of Representatives last week continue to cause confusion. The House of Representatives has asked for a technical explanation and the provinces also lost their understanding of what was going on. It has also become clear that the buy-out scheme that Van der Wal once announced as 'terribly attractive' can ultimately become little more than a compensation for raison of no more than 120% of the free value. This has State Secretary Marnix van Rij reported to the Chamber. The state aid limit will continue to apply.

Not all latent space gone
There was another setback for the nitrogen fighters this week. MOB and the Brabantse Milieufederatie (BMF) successfully proved their right against the use of latent nitrogen space for new construction by industry. Victims of this are plastic producer SABIC and indirectly Cargill in Bergen op Zoom. Old latent space should not be activated just like that. Bad news for many companies. Whether this is also bad news for Schiphol, other airports and also farmers with latent space remains to be seen, MOB indicates.

Cat to Brabant approach
It is remarkable that the province of North Brabant also receives a slap on the wrist from the court between the companies. The province supported SABIC with reference to, among other things, the Brabant Development Approach Stikstof (BOS), which is also fully supported by the government. The judge refers the BOS to the waste bin and calls the nitrogen measures in the BOS ineffective and, in case SABIC, illogical, because others have to take measures, but not SABIC. Perhaps the national government would do well to read that ruling carefully again in preparation for the preliminary relief proceedings about Aerius. Due to the link of Aerius to the law, not everyone is tarred with the same brush.

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Klaas van der Horst

He is a dairy market specialist at DCA Market Intelligence. He researches market news and trends and interprets developments.
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11 comments
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ShefOu 17 February 2023
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url = https: // www.boerenbusiness.nl/artikel/10902971/gaan-agricultural tables-phase-alice-in-wonderland-in]Are agricultural tables entering the Alice in Wonderland phase?[/url]
van der Tak allows himself to be blackmailed, consultation is fine, but if the whole world around van der Tak says (except for the ministry) that an agreement is impossible in this way, Sjaak van der Tak must listen, if not, then screw it up, it can't be that way are that Sjaak van der Tak, following the CDA, gives the peasantry as a gift to D66, it is starting to look a lot like it!!!
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CM 17 February 2023
Before phase 2 is started, one must provide clarity and that LTO with vd Tak with its buttocks before it gives everything away.
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crow 17 February 2023
Would say, first arrange the pass detectors then we talk further.
unheard of common sense 18 February 2023
Every farmer with his feet in the earth knows that this country is sick, made / has become.
Drs behavioral experts have been busy with this during corona.
But the unexpected will speak (April 25, 1945) because farmers are the last people to exist independently COULD stop VVD behavioral disease from parasitizing on OUR culture and are a great danger of total submission and awakening of VVD voters!

This land is sick of Titulature: but no one speaks:
Pim fortuyn, Theo van Gogh are REALLY..! DEAD

Unashamedly speak the parties that farmers and citizens voted for: the ultimate betrayal of our culture, respect undermined by guilt and atonement by hate parties (insane black pete discussion as transparent; subsidized peak of cancer)

March 15

The subsidy slaves are waiting for common sense, when will there be banners?

When will the peasants begin the end of insane truths and activate the minds of workers..? (stop the reigning drs. parasites in the name of Klaus Schwab)

For those who will always betray this country: before you know it you will lose each other..

The reality will always remain, despite behavioral manipulation, multicultural mind destruction and their refugees... this has earned the thousands of deaths that we owe our culture to!
VVD member 18 February 2023
did you take your pill? you get a subsidy for it

in fact: I live on it and grab Rutte's pig with both hands!
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Skirt 19 February 2023
Van der Tak is too low caliber in this. What also plays is beating a dead horse. We're just at the beginning.
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CM 19 February 2023
Those table conversations are doomed. Nitrogen does predominate at the moment, but those starting points are already unrealistic. According to the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency, all farmers from the Netherlands is not enough to solve the N problem if we stick to the current proposed standards. AH supermarket says it only needs 5000 of the 50000 farmers, ie you can think along about income and agreements about this on your stomach and that is precisely an important approach of those table discussions. BUT, but the biggest underestimated danger now enters through the back door, namely the NPLG. This is even more threatening for agriculture and rural areas. Nitrogen and nature areas are put much more heavily on there. Plus housing and all other green-blue services.
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time bomb 19 February 2023
CM wrote:
Those table conversations are doomed. Nitrogen does predominate at the moment, but those starting points are already unrealistic. According to the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency, all farmers from the Netherlands is not enough to solve the N problem if we stick to the current proposed standards. AH supermarket says it only needs 5000 of the 50000 farmers, ie you can think along about income and agreements about this on your stomach and that is precisely an important approach of those table discussions. BUT, but the biggest underestimated danger now enters through the back door, namely the NPLG. This is even more threatening for agriculture and rural areas. Nitrogen and nature areas are put much more heavily on there. Plus housing and all other green-blue services.
That spokesman for AH is just as bad as Tjeerd de Groot of D66. You can't talk to people like this, let alone negotiate. Get rid of that scum.
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Space 19 February 2023
CM wrote:
Those table conversations are doomed. Nitrogen does predominate at the moment, but those starting points are already unrealistic. According to the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency, all farmers from the Netherlands is not enough to solve the N problem if we stick to the current proposed standards. AH supermarket says it only needs 5000 of the 50000 farmers, ie you can think along about income and agreements about this on your stomach and that is precisely an important approach of those table discussions. BUT, but the biggest underestimated danger now enters through the back door, namely the NPLG. This is even more threatening for agriculture and rural areas. Nitrogen and nature areas are put much more heavily on there. Plus housing and all other green-blue services.
AH should report in his shops that they are for super companies with huge mega stables, then he will also have a few shops less. And that would be nice.
And also hope that Appie will look at his own nitrogen emissions.
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time bomb 20 February 2023
I understand that there has been a lot of commentary on that bastard on social media.
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Arie poor branch. 20 February 2023
This topic does not bring out the best in some participants on this site. Sharp, fine, ugly mixed together does not bring progress. Don't do it again.
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