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Timmermans does not consider the BBB proposal to be a fairytale note

11 April 2023 - Linda van Eekeres - 7 comments

The initiative memorandum of BBB and JA21 'Get out of the nitrogen crisis quickly' is not a fairytale memorandum (as D66 MP Tjeerd de Groot called it), says European Commissioner Frans Timmermans after the two-hour conversation he had today with Caroline van der Plas in The Hague. The BBB leader has, as she says, 'received a lot of confirmation about what the line is from Brussels and what we are doing to ourselves here'. She had a 'very positive feeling' about the conversation.

Timmermans: "I am very encouraged that BBB wants to comply with European regulations, but they do not think that what is currently available is optimal." He says about the recently presented initiative memorandum: "It is indeed not a fairytale memorandum, they have really done a good job He has also offered that they can look at the note in Brussels 'to improve it with technical information'. "I will not give a stamp of approval", he emphasizes.

No criticism of Rutte
He also indicates that in order to make it into legislation, there must be a majority in the House of Representatives. Timmermans: "What matters to me is that we do something as quickly as possible. That is possible if there is a majority in the House of Representatives. That can be the proposal of BBB or of the cabinet." As far as nitrogen policy is concerned, the European Commissioner has no criticism whatsoever of the team of ministers. "I think that the cabinet is making a great effort and I have no reason to criticize Rutte."

According to Timmermans, disruption is no reason for postponing nature restoration measures. "Disruption in society is also caused when nature reserves are in such trouble that they pose a threat to public health." Incidentally, in Brussels, if the targets are not met, there are 'no plans for notice of default or other punitive measures'. The fact that BBB does not want expropriation is, according to Timmermans, 'their right, that is not what the European Commission is about'. He underlines that in Europe there are also 'many opportunities to support farmers towards more sustainable agriculture'.

Van der Plas also wants to dispel the fact that she is against nitrogen measures in themselves. "Nitrogen is part of the problem, but that depends very much on the nature reserve. They are only ramming on nitrogen. We have to see how we can restore nature, with what measures. Nitrogen will be part of that (...) The Netherlands is locked, because such strict nitrogen targets have been set that the judge says: what you are doing now is not possible." The politician also finds it problematic that ammonia (especially agriculture) and nitrogen oxides (traffic, industry, Schiphol, etc.) are lumped together. "I have put down: stop the discussion about 2030 and remove expropriation. I think that will bring much more peace. I also said that to Wopke Hoekstra (CDA)."

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Linda van Eekeres

Linda van Eekeres is co-writing editor-in-chief. She mainly focuses on macro-economic developments and the influence of politics on the agricultural sector.
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time bomb 11 April 2023
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
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I am glad that Mrs. van der Plas had a good conversation with Mr. Carpenter.
Hopefully the reasonably positive sounding ones come true.
Mrs. van der Plas, we wish you a lot of wisdom and strength to make this happen to everyone's satisfaction.
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January 11 April 2023
isn't all bullshit at bbb what some think
one that stands up for the country
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redtide 11 April 2023
you do notice that the left side is starting to get nervous and grumpy.
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Louis Pascal deGeer 11 April 2023
Today history has been made in the House of Representatives because a conversation between Mrs. van der Plas of the BBB and the European Commissioner mr. Timmermans proved that the door to Brussels is not locked, but that there would certainly be room for more consultation and even improvement of the European directives that can be introduced in Brussels by the "no fairy tales" story of the BBB. Congratulations BBB, Mrs. van der Plas and the CDA just like Mr. Timmermans who have provided much more clarity than what Rutte's coalition could have done without the CDA. This conversation and what we know about the content seems to me to be a blow to the ears for the Rutte cabinet, but yes that is my opinion from far away.
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time bomb 11 April 2023
Louis Pascal de Geer wrote:
Today history has been made in the House of Representatives because a conversation between Mrs. van der Plas of the BBB and the European Commissioner mr. Timmermans proved that the door to Brussels is not locked, but that there would certainly be room for more consultation and even improvement of the European directives that can be introduced in Brussels by the "no fairy tales" story of the BBB. Congratulations BBB, Mrs. van der Plas and the CDA just like Mr. Timmermans who have provided much more clarity than what Rutte's coalition could have done without the CDA. This conversation and what we know about the content seems to me to be a blow to the ears for the Rutte cabinet, but yes that is my opinion from far away.
These statements by Louis Pascal de Geer make me happy (I haven't heard much from him yet).
It can freeze or thaw 12 April 2023
Frans is so clever that he can't close the door at the moment because then he will walk into his own knife!!

The left cloud has to move a bit and that is purely self-interest, otherwise these parties will be decimated with the next elections and no one will want to work with these parties anymore, only at D66 the penny has not yet dropped.

It is also very questionable how long the left can still defend the nitrogen story because more and more other insights (will) come that it is a created, invented problem.

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Zeeuw 12 April 2023
Yes, I hope that the effect of that conversation will be there soon. There is indeed an N problem, but not to the extent as suggested and certainly not only in the agricultural sector. That is the worst thing this cabinet has done: Tjeerd's lies have been canonized! The industry will never forgive him for that! The CU and the CDA have also crawled into this trap with the VVD. Even scientists have been thrown out of the cart by D66 and liars - scientific bunglers Hordijk and Co - have been hired to substantiate the story. Land conquest is paramount. As far as I'm concerned, they get the political noose. Now it is still important to take a closer look at all the reports - there are a lot of them. The first half of all those reports seem to be copied……blah..blah…caused by
NH3 deposition from agriculture, especially dairy farming. Even the Nature Recovery reports estimate that while the drought from 2018 to 2022 has caused enormous damage to nature, especially in the sensitive areas.
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