CDA makes a U-turn and does not rule out expropriation

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Farmer Jan 27 October 2025

This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url = https: // www.boerenbusiness.nl/artikel/10914388/cda-maakt-draai-en-sluit-onteigening-niet-uit]CDA makes a U-turn and does not rule out expropriation[/url]

Why farmers still vote for this party is a mystery to me. The same applies to the VVD, which votes in a single parliamentary group with DDR66 in Brussels. Renew Europe, led by Timmermans, von de Leyen, and Hoekstra. Some healthy resistance comes from BVNL and/or FvD. BBB is doing its best but, in practice, is often 'controlled opposition,' just like the PVV. The Dutch agricultural sector is heading for another round of restructuring and the surrender of entrepreneurial freedom and the wealth created by generations.

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January 27 October 2025

The CDA is Bontebal, anti-gay, anti-Jew, anti-farmer, and yet there are farmers on the list again... guess what? Just like Eline Vedder, what did they do with that? She also never investigates whether nitrogen exists or not, and how and where it is.

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juun 27 October 2025

The current impasse is certainly much better. You'll get a bag of money from the government anyway, and with good negotiation, you might be able to relocate. Just solve this nonsense; it only costs the government/society money anyway.

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brut 27 October 2025

Farmer Jan wrote:

This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url = https: // www.boerenbusiness.nl/artikel/10914388/cda-maakt-draai-en-sluit-onteigening-niet-uit]CDA makes a U-turn and does not rule out expropriation[/url]
Why farmers still vote for this party is a mystery to me. The same applies to the VVD, which votes in a single parliamentary group with DDR66 in Brussels. Renew Europe, led by Timmermans, von de Leyen, and Hoekstra. Some healthy resistance comes from BVNL and/or FvD. BBB is doing its best but, in practice, is often 'controlled opposition,' just like the PVV. The Dutch agricultural sector is heading for another round of restructuring and the surrender of entrepreneurial freedom and the wealth created by generations.

If number 2 stays calm, Fvd isn't wrong. Or should it be BBB?

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herb 27 October 2025

yes, what do we do, Fvd or BBB/vvd or strategic voting?

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time bomb 27 October 2025

It's all so easy to say. But!!!! Should Frans Timmerman become prime minister, with D66, and, as Timmerman says, the PvdD, and some help from the SP, Denk Ja21, and then the VVD and/or CDA as the last-placed coalition? Do you want that? Or the PVV with FVD and BBB as a minority cabinet? Wouldn't the CDA, VVD, Ja21, D66, BBB, and if necessary, the CU be better? As is clear, there will have to be a coalition, and I think preferably WITHOUT GL/PVDA. So please, don't whine, don't make it worse. Choose the LEAST of the worst. Please, stand your ground and vote for the least worst, or govern yourself with your friends, and let us, if necessary, think carefully about what we will do, but especially what we will NOT do. I wish you all much common sense, but above all, much strength in your decision.

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Captain Gone 27 October 2025

let's go for Prime Minister Jetten once and then with VVD CDA CU ja21

stemmer 27 October 2025

Don't underestimate the SGP; they have the absolute best points and know what they're talking about when it comes to agriculture, clearly and purposefully, no one can match them. I think there should be a bloc of BBB/PVV/SGP/Ja 21/Forum; then the agricultural sector has the best chance of success. The rest are all ganging up and are a big green lie.

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27 October 2025

jan wrote:

The CDA is Bontebal, anti-gay, anti-Jew, anti-farmer, and yet there are farmers on the list again... guess what? Just like Eline Vedder, what did they do with that? She also never investigates whether nitrogen exists or not, and how and where it is.

Jan, have you been following all the debates of the past few days closely? And have you really been listening carefully?

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time bomb 27 October 2025

voter wrote:

Don't underestimate the SGP; they have the absolute best points and know what they're talking about when it comes to agriculture, clearly and purposefully, no one can match them. I think there should be a bloc of BBB/PVV/SGP/Ja 21/Forum; then the agricultural sector has the best chance of success. The rest are all ganging up and are a big green lie.

I also say that the SGP is farmer-friendly, but to be in a cabinet with the BBB and PVV??? I mean, a difference in norms and values, and I think that's a point. That needs to be said, right? I'm not against the BBB, but they're too much of a closet member of the PVV. After 11 months, I'm disgusted by the PVV. Not that they don't have good ideas, but leaving the coalition with the NSC was very low. The BBB and VVD held their ground. I vote CDA, but as for the VVD, I have much praise for their perseverance, including for the BBB.

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CM 27 October 2025

The BBB, SGP, and FVD are the only ones truly positive about agriculture. There are no other options.

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time bomb 27 October 2025

CM wrote:

The BBB, SGP, and FVD are the only ones truly positive about agriculture. There are no other options.

At most, if you're lucky, you'll get 15 to 20 seats (it has to be a lot). That's why I say: you should take the LEAST bad parties and hope to get 75+. I think your comment is completely irrelevant.

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January 27 October 2025

You should never vote for a bad party. If you don't vote for an agricultural party, you should never complain again. You can really prevent a lot of misery with smaller parties.

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CM 27 October 2025

time bomb wrote:

CM wrote:
The BBB, SGP, and FVD are the only ones truly positive about agriculture. There are no other options.
At most, if you're lucky, you'll get 15 to 20 seats (it has to be a lot). That's why I say: you should take the LEAST bad parties and hope to get 75+. I think your comment is completely irrelevant.

I have my opinion, and you have a different one. That's fine, but I believe it's absurd that those three parties are positive about agriculture. With strategic voting, as you suggest, we'll also end up with a weak party that won't achieve anything for agriculture. A different perspective is needed to point others in the right direction for a better future for agriculture.

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south farmer 28 October 2025

These parties haven't made a dent in the bill for years, Jan. This is also far too early for Liedewij. As far as I'm concerned, it'll just be controlled opposition again. After all, I see no reason to vote differently than I did two years ago...

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Crow 28 October 2025

The BO arable farming has interviewed politicians from our hard-earned, mandatory research field. As if there aren't problems in arable farming that require energy and research.

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Joop 28 October 2025

But who are we going to vote for now?

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time bomb 29 October 2025

Joop wrote:

But who are we going to vote for now?

My preference is right-center. I don't care for Timmermans, and I don't care for D66 either, but if you're going to vote, you have to check the box yourself. I hope you're happy with your choice.

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kees 29 October 2025

Something can probably be arranged with the PVDA, but with Green Lings, there's too much CPN blood in there for me. I hope everyone makes a good choice; it was very busy here, with many people 50 and older. I vote right-wing myself, but not extreme.

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crow 29 October 2025

I think we have a farmers' party, so the choice shouldn't be that difficult.

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Arie poor branch. 29 October 2025

Especially if you are a farmer.

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Southwest 29 October 2025

That's very simple, there is only one club that does its best for us farmers and that is BBB, the rest we hang on to.

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30 October 2025

Southwest wrote:

That's very simple, there is only one club that does its best for us farmers and that is BBB, the rest we hang on to.

The Minister of Agriculture is lucky to be in fourth place on the farmers' party list. At least for the next four years, she'll be collecting around €140000 per year while doing even less than last year.

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Arie poor branch. 30 October 2025

The fact that not much has been achieved doesn't give you the right to say the Minister of Agriculture has done very little. Following her lead, you can only conclude that she actively sought solutions. This is a slap in the face by you, the person "today."

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Southwest 30 October 2025

Arie poor branch. wrote:

The fact that not much has been achieved doesn't give you the right to say the Minister of Agriculture has done very little. Following her lead, you can only conclude that she actively sought solutions. This is a slap in the face by you, the person "today."

That's right, Arie. Besides, you're free to join a political party and try to get noticed for your chance to become a Member of Parliament. You can also earn €140 for doing nothing...

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CM 31 October 2025

It seems like a lot of money, but you also get a lot of flak from opponents, and that requires a strong stance. There are certainly parliamentarians who cut corners, but not this minister.

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Jantje 31 October 2025

CM wrote:

It seems like a lot of money, but you also get a lot of flak from opponents, and that requires a strong stance. There are certainly parliamentarians who cut corners, but not this minister.

Indeed, and she was thwarted from all sides, not only by the House of Representatives but also by the civil servants in her own ministry and the other government parties, especially the VVD, did not want her to succeed.

loom 31 October 2025

I think we're done with it all. Everything green/cultured meat/farmers gone, etc. It couldn't be worse than this outcome...

GLPvdA 31 October 2025

grower wrote:

I think we're done with it all. Everything green/cultured meat/farmers gone, etc. It couldn't be worse than this outcome...

My prediction: there will be little change, either positive or negative. That is, a mix of good and bad years.

erik 31 October 2025

GLPvdA wrote:

grower wrote:
I think we're done with it all. Everything green/cultured meat/farmers gone, etc. It couldn't be worse than this outcome...
My prediction: there will be little change, either positive or negative. That is, a mix of good and bad years.

Take a good look at the party platform. All the farmers are being wiped out, it's simply sad. A policy that is further destroying the Netherlands. What nonsense is this about alternating good years and bad years? There are no more years, because then it's over and done with.

GLPvdA 31 October 2025

erik wrote:

GLPvdA wrote:
grower wrote:
I think we're done with it all. Everything green/cultured meat/farmers gone, etc. It couldn't be worse than this outcome...
My prediction: there will be little change, either positive or negative. That is, a mix of good and bad years.
Take a good look at the party platform. All the farmers are being wiped out, it's simply sad. A policy that is further destroying the Netherlands. What nonsense is this about alternating good years and bad years? There are no more years, because then it's over and done with.

Dutch agriculture considers itself the most innovative in the world. Innovation is most evident in challenging times. I see no reason why we farmers can't handle that.

SGP member 31 October 2025

GLPvdA wrote:

erik wrote:
GLPvdA wrote:
grower wrote:
I think we're done with it all. Everything green/cultured meat/farmers gone, etc. It couldn't be worse than this outcome...
My prediction: there will be little change, either positive or negative. That is, a mix of good and bad years.
Take a good look at the party platform. All the farmers are being wiped out, it's simply sad. A policy that is further destroying the Netherlands. What nonsense is this about alternating good years and bad years? There are no more years, because then it's over and done with.
Dutch agriculture considers itself the most innovative in the world. Innovation is most evident in challenging times. I see no reason why we farmers can't handle that.

The only challenge is survival. With current product prices, it's already pathetic enough; I'm fed up with innovation. We're pricing ourselves completely out of the market in the Netherlands with all that innovation/climate-consciousness stuff and all those other fairy tales... the cost price here is simply far too high, and it's only going to get crazier with those green bigwigs. I have a very bleak outlook on what's to come. And if you think this is a good thing, I'd suggest calling around in the agricultural world. Many will give up and move abroad where farmers are welcome!

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Accountant 31 October 2025

Dear SGP member, I can only remember farmers saying that there's no money to be made in the Netherlands and that everyone would immigrate. I think it dates back to the Farmers' Party era. Indeed, farmers have always emigrated. And they are generally good farmers. But some have also always stayed. An American investor has a rule: If everyone thinks certain stocks are going to rise dramatically in value, you should sell quickly yourself. If everyone thinks a stock is worthless, then that might be a good opportunity.

SGP member 31 October 2025

Accountant wrote:

Dear SGP member, I can only remember farmers saying that there's no money to be made in the Netherlands and that everyone would immigrate. I think it dates back to the Farmers' Party era. Indeed, farmers have always emigrated. And they are generally good farmers. But some have also always stayed. An American investor has a rule: If everyone thinks certain stocks are going to rise dramatically in value, you should sell quickly yourself. If everyone thinks a stock is worthless, then that might be a good opportunity.

Just talk over it, I have nothing to do with America or the harassers, you're definitely a politician too. The upcoming policy is horribly bad for farmers/entrepreneurs, only for tree-huggers and activists. Keep it up!!

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flevoboer 31 October 2025

I think it would be more useful to have a substantive discussion, rather than just shouting. The fact is, the less competition, the better. Just look at the price of potatoes; it's purely because there are too many of them. We could do with a few fewer farmers, which is only good for those who stay.

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Jantje 31 October 2025

flevoboer wrote:

I think it would be more useful to have a substantive discussion, rather than just shouting. The fact is, the less competition, the better. Just look at the price of potatoes; it's purely because there are too many of them. We could do with a few fewer farmers, which is only good for those who stay.

A smaller number of farmers does not mean that fewer potatoes are grown.

loom 1 November 2025

flevoboer wrote:

I think it would be more useful to have a substantive discussion, rather than just shouting. The fact is, the less competition, the better. Just look at the price of potatoes; it's purely because there are too many of them. We could do with a few fewer farmers, which is only good for those who stay.

Oh, how short-sighted and stupid those Flevo farmers are! He wants to stop his colleagues because we have enough good ideas. It would be better to have more farmers than fewer... the acreage will be filled anyway. You prefer mega-corporations that are 100% owned by banks/governments, so they can completely control what, how, and when things need to be done. Wake up and take matters into your own hands. If we think like you, we'll all go to hell. You yourself have absolutely no substance in this.

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flevoboer 1 November 2025

Yes, how stupid I am... it's not about the number of farmers, it's about the acreage. So the less acreage, the less competition.

Term 1 November 2025

flevoboer wrote:

Yes, how stupid I am... it's not about the number of farmers, it's about the acreage. So the less acreage, the less competition.

If D66 has its way, many hectares will indeed disappear for nature and housing. But what you're ignoring is the impact they'll have on the remaining hectares. If they get their way, we could all put our sprayers and fertilizer spreaders on the market, since we won't need them anymore. And don't count on product prices more than compensating for that. Considering how easily an additional 50000 hectares of potatoes will be grown in the EU this year, those remaining 35000 hectares will surely find a place for them too.

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time bomb 1 November 2025

I'm not happy with this outcome either. I am glad that the left-wing interests didn't become the largest. But what good is it if the VVD and CDA, the parties many farmers vote for, aren't pro-farmer? Is it still responsible for us farmers to vote for them anyway? I'm also unhappy with the BBB right now. I do think Mrs. Wiersma is one of the better ones, and as has already been written on this forum: She was thwarted by all the opposition parties, even if she was right. I think it's very antisocial of the VVD and CDA to abandon their voters.

Term 1 November 2025

time bomb wrote:

I'm not happy with this outcome either. I am glad that the left-wing interests didn't become the largest. But what good is it if the VVD and CDA, the parties many farmers vote for, aren't pro-farmer? Is it still responsible for us farmers to vote for them anyway? I'm also unhappy with the BBB right now. I do think Mrs. Wiersma is one of the better ones, and as has already been written on this forum: She was thwarted by all the opposition parties, even if she was right. I think it's very antisocial of the VVD and CDA to abandon their voters.

That's a completely upside-down world. Imagine voting for the animal rights party (which I didn't, of course), and then complaining after the election that they're not representing my interests. Maybe you should look at their positions beforehand and only then vote for a party you actually agree with. If you were so clumsy as to vote for the CDA or VVD, you should just bear the consequences. It's just a shame that your neighbors suffer as well.

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time bomb 1 November 2025

term wrote:

time bomb wrote:
I'm not happy with this outcome either. I am glad that the left-wing interests didn't become the largest. But what good is it if the VVD and CDA, the parties many farmers vote for, aren't pro-farmer? Is it still responsible for us farmers to vote for them anyway? I'm also unhappy with the BBB right now. I do think Mrs. Wiersma is one of the better ones, and as has already been written on this forum: She was thwarted by all the opposition parties, even if she was right. I think it's very antisocial of the VVD and CDA to abandon their voters.
That's a completely upside-down world. Imagine voting for the animal rights party (which I didn't, of course), and then complaining after the election that they're not representing my interests. Maybe you should look at their positions beforehand and only then vote for a party you actually agree with. If you were so clumsy as to vote for the CDA or VVD, you should just bear the consequences. It's just a shame that your neighbors suffer as well.

I am a neighbor, but I did not vote for it, but I most likely suffer from it anyway.

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It can freeze or thaw 1 November 2025

You could have voted for Lideweij, admittedly a radical vote, but so is voting for the Animal Rights Party. Now that Forum has 7 seats in the House of Representatives, the pressure, along with Yes 21, on the VVD will increase to avoid shifting too far to the left. Parties have ambitious plans, but they still need to be funded somehow; disillusionment will come quickly.

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time bomb 1 November 2025

It can freeze or thaw wrote:

You could have voted for Lideweij, admittedly a radical vote, but so is voting for the Animal Rights Party. Now that Forum has 7 seats in the House of Representatives, the pressure, along with Yes 21, on the VVD will increase to avoid shifting too far to the left. Parties have ambitious plans, but they still need to be funded somehow; disillusionment will come quickly.

That would be great. That's 16 seats, and that could indeed put pressure.

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frog 1 November 2025

What many voters need to realize is that every vote for the PVV is actually a vote for a left-center cabinet with D66 & GroenPvda!

Term 1 November 2025

time bomb wrote:

It can freeze or thaw wrote:
You could have voted for Lideweij, admittedly a radical vote, but so is voting for the Animal Rights Party. Now that Forum has 7 seats in the House of Representatives, the pressure, along with Yes 21, on the VVD will increase to avoid shifting too far to the left. Parties have ambitious plans, but they still need to be funded somehow; disillusionment will come quickly.
That would be great. That's 16 seats, and that could indeed put pressure.

I hope so too, but let's be realistic. The VVD doesn't give a damn about agriculture at all. They're only interested in ensuring that agriculture doesn't interfere with the rest of their plans for the Netherlands. If that means adjusting the nitrogen regulations with a majority, then they're perfectly happy with that. And if there's no majority for that, they'll just as easily slash the entire agricultural sector with the left. The VVD won't shed a tear over that.

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south farmer 1 November 2025

frog wrote:

What many voters need to realize is that every vote for the PVV is actually a vote for a left-center cabinet with D66 & GroenPvda!

Hahahaha...no, just keep voting for CDA, VVD, or D66. Then you know for sure that you can govern with PVDA Green-Left...

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time bomb 1 November 2025

Hope not. The VVD says they wouldn't govern with GL/PvdA. But? Never say never.

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Southwest 1 November 2025

Term wrote:

time bomb wrote:
It can freeze or thaw wrote:
You could have voted for Lideweij, admittedly a radical vote, but so is voting for the Animal Rights Party. Now that Forum has 7 seats in the House of Representatives, the pressure, along with Yes 21, on the VVD will increase to avoid shifting too far to the left. Parties have ambitious plans, but they still need to be funded somehow; disillusionment will come quickly.
That would be great. That's 16 seats, and that could indeed put pressure.
I hope so too, but let's be realistic. The VVD doesn't give a damn about agriculture at all. They're only interested in ensuring that agriculture doesn't interfere with the rest of their plans for the Netherlands. If that means adjusting the nitrogen regulations with a majority, then they're perfectly happy with that. And if there's no majority for that, they'll just as easily slash the entire agricultural sector with the left. The VVD won't shed a tear over that.

It's true that farmers are just a nuisance

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frog 1 November 2025

southboer wrote:

frog wrote:
What many voters need to realize is that every vote for the PVV is actually a vote for a left-center cabinet with D66 & GroenPvda!
Hahahaha...no, just keep voting for CDA, VVD, or D66. Then you know for sure that you can govern with PVDA Green-Left...

think carefully before your answer

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Jantje 1 November 2025

Southwest wrote:

Term wrote:
time bomb wrote:
It can freeze or thaw wrote:
You could have voted for Lideweij, admittedly a radical vote, but so is voting for the Animal Rights Party. Now that Forum has 7 seats in the House of Representatives, the pressure, along with Yes 21, on the VVD will increase to avoid shifting too far to the left. Parties have ambitious plans, but they still need to be funded somehow; disillusionment will come quickly.
That would be great. That's 16 seats, and that could indeed put pressure.
I hope so too, but let's be realistic. The VVD doesn't give a damn about agriculture at all. They're only interested in ensuring that agriculture doesn't interfere with the rest of their plans for the Netherlands. If that means adjusting the nitrogen regulations with a majority, then they're perfectly happy with that. And if there's no majority for that, they'll just as easily slash the entire agricultural sector with the left. The VVD won't shed a tear over that.
It's true that farmers are just a nuisance

Two years ago, Ed Nijpels literally said in the financial newspaper that farmers are occupying the land. That tells you enough.

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juun 1 November 2025

frog wrote:

southboer wrote:
frog wrote:
What many voters need to realize is that every vote for the PVV is actually a vote for a left-center cabinet with D66 & GroenPvda!
Hahahaha...no, just keep voting for CDA, VVD, or D66. Then you know for sure that you can govern with PVDA Green-Left...
think carefully before your answer

What Frog says is absolutely correct. You're just stupid if you vote for the PVV. Then vote for something else on the right.

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January 1 November 2025

Why do you vote CDA then?

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frog 1 November 2025

juun wrote:

frog wrote:
southboer wrote:
frog wrote:
What many voters need to realize is that every vote for the PVV is actually a vote for a left-center cabinet with D66 & GroenPvda!
Hahahaha...no, just keep voting for CDA, VVD, or D66. Then you know for sure that you can govern with PVDA Green-Left...
think carefully before your answer
What Frog says is absolutely correct. You're just stupid if you vote for the PVV. Then vote for something else on the right.

In fact, a vote for the PVV is an excluded vote that would result in a more left-wing cabinet, and the PVV is simply a left-wing party with one right-wing position.

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Flevo farmer 1 November 2025

jan wrote:

Why do you vote CDA then?

Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.

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time bomb 1 November 2025

Flevoboer wrote:

jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.

A stable party? From 5 to 18 in a year, and it doesn't have to be a good party leader. And how many left and started NSC, and how many just came back? Bontenbal was one of the first to say that farmers should give up land for nature, etc. They're also abandoning farmers, just like the VVD, but the voters aren't abandoning them; they don't give a damn.

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blinders 2 November 2025

time bomb wrote:

Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
A stable party? From 5 to 18 in a year, and it doesn't have to be a good party leader. And how many left and started NSC, and how many just came back? Bontenbal was one of the first to say that farmers should give up land for nature, etc. They're also abandoning farmers, just like the VVD, but the voters aren't abandoning them; they don't give a damn.

The VVD was a stable and reliable party when Frits Bolkestein was still in charge, but over the past 20 years it has declined sharply, culminating in Rutte's premiership. The CDA is doing little better; they simply let everyone go along with it when it suits them. Cees Veerman was one of them. There's one good thing, though: voters can vote completely differently in the next election, as they've seen with the NSC. D66 now has to show what they can do and what they stand for. Their wallets are empty, their hobbyhorses—more sustainable energy—are starting to show cracks and are becoming unaffordable. The nitrogen story is based on nothing, and it remains to be seen whether it will hold up in a (European) court. I think we're heading into a very turbulent period; the first litmus test will be next March's municipal elections. The world could look very different then.

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January 2 November 2025

Flevoboer wrote:

jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.

and very anti-farmer, don't you see and read that?

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Flevo farmer 2 November 2025

jan wrote:

Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
and very anti-farmer, don't you see and read that?

tell me, what proves that?

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January 2 November 2025

They want to buy farmers near nature reserves, they never say anything about nitrogen, they don't even read the new reports

Akkerbauw 2 November 2025

Flevoboer wrote:

jan wrote:
Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
and very anti-farmer, don't you see and read that?
tell me, what proves that?

I think many farmers believe that any party that doesn't fully embrace the agricultural sector's philosophy is anti-farmer. And that this will be disastrous for the sector. I can certainly understand and empathize with that. Uncertainty is, of course, always part of farming. But if you're already earning too little, that's a shame. But don't expect things to magically change overnight. Good luck to everyone with all the dilemmas and doubts.

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It can freeze or thaw 2 November 2025

Akkerbauw wrote:

Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
and very anti-farmer, don't you see and read that?
tell me, what proves that?
I think many farmers believe that any party that doesn't fully embrace the agricultural sector's philosophy is anti-farmer. And that this will be disastrous for the sector. I can certainly understand and empathize with that. Uncertainty is, of course, always part of farming. But if you're already earning too little, that's a shame. But don't expect things to magically change overnight. Good luck to everyone with all the dilemmas and doubts.

The biggest shortcoming is clarity for the sector, along with the stifling regulations that are incredibly time-consuming and expensive and not always clear. I regularly read about lawsuits concerning the RVO (Netherlands Enterprise Agency) schemes, even dating back to 2021, so it's understandable that confidence is declining. The gold, silver, and bronze schemes are being casually adjusted (read: reduced) by the ministry, while politicians stand by and watch. You should try this with civil servant salaries.

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south farmer 2 November 2025

frog wrote:

southboer wrote:
frog wrote:
What many voters need to realize is that every vote for the PVV is actually a vote for a left-center cabinet with D66 & GroenPvda!
Hahahaha...no, just keep voting for CDA, VVD, or D66. Then you know for sure that you can govern with PVDA Green-Left...
think carefully before your answer

I'd suggest you first substantiate your own hilarious comment. Vote for the PVV twice and you're in the cabinet, and vote for the PVDA once and you're in the government. Vote for the CDA, VVD, or D66 multiple times, and you get the PVDA GroenLinks thrown in for free...

honest 2 November 2025

Akkerbauw wrote:

Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
and very anti-farmer, don't you see and read that?
tell me, what proves that?
I think many farmers believe that any party that doesn't fully embrace the agricultural sector's philosophy is anti-farmer. And that this will be disastrous for the sector. I can certainly understand and empathize with that. Uncertainty is, of course, always part of farming. But if you're already earning too little, that's a shame. But don't expect things to magically change overnight. Good luck to everyone with all the dilemmas and doubts.

It doesn't have to change overnight, but now we're sliding downhill so fast with these green bigwigs at the helm that you don't know and see.... we're going to die from the extra levies/requirements/rules and even more restrictions!

connoisseur 2 November 2025

Flevoboer wrote:

jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.

What good is that if they have wrong and inaccurate ideas for agriculture? Expropriation by pushing, etc. A fine party leader? One who sits at the front of the church, yes, but otherwise wants to be a do-gooder. But then just goes on to further destroy things with D66 and GroenLinks. Voting for CDA/VVD/D66 is simply a wasted vote, and none of them are pro-entrepreneurial. We should have all made the PVV and BBB so big that they didn't need anyone else. At most, SGP or, yes, 21. Because let's be honest, excluding someone beforehand is not democracy at all. That shouldn't be possible these days. It's really just a pathetic display. They know Geert Bayfar will be/is the biggest, and then they want to nip that in the bud by drawing away voters by saying, "We don't want to deal with him."

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flevoboer 2 November 2025

kennert wrote:

Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
What good is that if they have wrong and inaccurate ideas for agriculture? Expropriation by pushing, etc. A fine party leader? One who sits at the front of the church, yes, but otherwise wants to be a do-gooder. But then just goes on to further destroy things with D66 and GroenLinks. Voting for CDA/VVD/D66 is simply a wasted vote, and none of them are pro-entrepreneurial. We should have all made the PVV and BBB so big that they didn't need anyone else. At most, SGP or, yes, 21. Because let's be honest, excluding someone beforehand is not democracy at all. That shouldn't be possible these days. It's really just a pathetic display. They know Geert Bayfar will be/is the biggest, and then they want to nip that in the bud by drawing away voters by saying, "We don't want to deal with him."

You type a lot, but you don't really say anything. Come on, be specific, now you're like Geert.

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CM 2 November 2025

flevoboer wrote:

kennert wrote:
Flevoboer wrote:
jan wrote:
Why do you vote CDA then?
Because it is a stable party, with experienced directors and a super nice party leader.
What good is that if they have wrong and inaccurate ideas for agriculture? Expropriation by pushing, etc. A fine party leader? One who sits at the front of the church, yes, but otherwise wants to be a do-gooder. But then just goes on to further destroy things with D66 and GroenLinks. Voting for CDA/VVD/D66 is simply a wasted vote, and none of them are pro-entrepreneurial. We should have all made the PVV and BBB so big that they didn't need anyone else. At most, SGP or, yes, 21. Because let's be honest, excluding someone beforehand is not democracy at all. That shouldn't be possible these days. It's really just a pathetic display. They know Geert Bayfar will be/is the biggest, and then they want to nip that in the bud by drawing away voters by saying, "We don't want to deal with him."
You type a lot, but you don't really say anything. Come on, be specific, now you're like Geert.

The CDA is now as left-wing as can be and against farmers, so you're definitely not going to vote for them. Hypocritically talking about decency is all they can do, while simultaneously consorting with the GL PvdA.

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time bomb 2 November 2025

What a mess with GL/PvdA, D66, VVD, and CDA. Of all these parties, not a single one can tolerate agriculture. The VVD and CDA think, with the emphasis on THINK, that they do. So what do we know? GL/PvdA, D66, PvdD, PVV (especially Dion Graus), CU (Grinwis), Volt, SP, Denk (fortunately, NSC Holman is no longer with us) are absolutely not. What do we think they do know? Fvd, BBB, Ja21, SGP. If only the CDA and VVD could be benevolent again, we'd still have something. The only thing we can do is thwart the upcoming municipal elections because we're not getting any appreciation from the CDA and VVD to vote for them NOW. They were already afraid of this after the election results last Wednesday, because D66 is going to get in the way.

Claas 3 November 2025

What's missing in this discussion is the broad parliamentary will to build many houses. So, you can bet that will happen with or without nitrogen adjustments and expropriation. Those who want to move must weigh their options.

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frog 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

What's missing in this discussion is the broad parliamentary will to build many houses. So, you can bet that will happen with or without nitrogen adjustments and expropriation. Those who want to move must weigh their options.

Bring on those houses, I have room for a new village.

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time bomb 3 November 2025

frog wrote:

Claas wrote:
What's missing in this discussion is the broad parliamentary will to build many houses. So, you can bet that will happen with or without nitrogen adjustments and expropriation. Those who want to move must weigh their options.
Bring on those houses, I have room for a new village.

But who sets the price? Surely not the government, as usual? Stand firm now, or stall. The farmer is the seller!

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juun 3 November 2025

It's just a matter of good negotiation and you can definitely come out better.

calculator 3 November 2025

time bomb wrote:

frog wrote:
Claas wrote:
What's missing in this discussion is the broad parliamentary will to build many houses. So, you can bet that will happen with or without nitrogen adjustments and expropriation. Those who want to move must weigh their options.
Bring on those houses, I have room for a new village.
But who sets the price? Surely not the government, as usual? Stand firm now, or stall. The farmer is the seller!

The government doesn't set the price, but it does pay it: 2 or 3 times the agricultural value. And the agricultural value is determined by the 15% of the best-performing farmers.

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frog 3 November 2025

calculator wrote:

time bomb wrote:
frog wrote:
Claas wrote:
What's missing in this discussion is the broad parliamentary will to build many houses. So, you can bet that will happen with or without nitrogen adjustments and expropriation. Those who want to move must weigh their options.
Bring on those houses, I have room for a new village.
But who sets the price? Surely not the government, as usual? Stand firm now, or stall. The farmer is the seller!
The government doesn't set the price, but it does pay it: 2 or 3 times the agricultural value. And the agricultural value is determined by the 15% of the best-performing farmers.

3x250k

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.

... 3 November 2025

Sales price - infrastructure construction and small margin is also realistic

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frog 3 November 2025

Arie poor branch. wrote:

In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.

I'm happy with 750k

Claas 3 November 2025

frog wrote:

Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k

Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

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juun 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

For 3 times the agricultural value I can do a few extra turns.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Accountant 3 November 2025

I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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juun 3 November 2025

would that kid who thinks he's so funny please go away.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

frog wrote:
Arie poor branch. wrote:
In the West, frogs still fetch over €750.000. Here, two years ago, several hectares sold for well over €1 million per hectare. Without any intermediary, directly from the farmer.
I'm happy with 750k
Then they only buy the piece they need each time and no more.

It was the final piece of a larger plan, and the owner held firm. It was sold when the builders were on the other side of the ditch. Perhaps an unusual situation, but it happened nonetheless. It was also the final piece of the plan.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

I'm not really doing anything about this myself, Juun. I've brought it up with DCA before, but they don't know either.

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time bomb 3 November 2025

Arie poor branch. wrote:

I'm not really doing anything about this myself, Juun. I've brought it up with DCA before, but they don't know either.

Then keep your hands in your pockets or go vacuum or something more fun

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3 November 2025

time bomb wrote:

What a mess with GL/PvdA, D66, VVD, and CDA. Of all these parties, not a single one can tolerate agriculture. The VVD and CDA think, with the emphasis on THINK, that they do. So what do we know? GL/PvdA, D66, PvdD, PVV (especially Dion Graus), CU (Grinwis), Volt, SP, Denk (fortunately, NSC Holman is no longer with us) are absolutely not. What do we think they do know? Fvd, BBB, Ja21, SGP. If only the CDA and VVD could be benevolent again, we'd still have something. The only thing we can do is thwart the upcoming municipal elections because we're not getting any appreciation from the CDA and VVD to vote for them NOW. They were already afraid of this after the election results last Wednesday, because D66 is going to get in the way.

Do you really think that those few peasant votes have any influence?

Claas 3 November 2025

Accountant wrote:

I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.

That's what you see in practice. The big growers do that with the land trade, not with the crops.

Term 3 November 2025

Accountant wrote:

I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.

That's true, at least if you're being bought out for housing or industry. If you're being bought out for nature, you'll sing a different tune.

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CM 3 November 2025

term wrote:

Accountant wrote:
I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.
That's true, at least if you're being bought out for housing or industry. If you're being bought out for nature, you'll sing a different tune.

Yes, then 35000 comes into play.

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marquis 3 November 2025

Claas wrote:

Accountant wrote:
I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.
That's what you see in practice. The big growers do that with the land trade, not with the crops.

True, but often combined with entrepreneurship, the willingness to borrow heavily, and the necessary risks. The pilots who always have an opinion haven't done enough themselves or are strict tenants.

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Ivo 3 November 2025

Go for a good bike ride, boy, because being behind that computer all the time is just too much for you; just stretch your legs.

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Arie poor branch. 3 November 2025

You may call yourself a time bomb, but that doesn't mean you can tell me what to do or not to do. A bit of delusions of grandeur, huh?

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time bomb 4 November 2025

Arie poor branch. wrote:

You may call yourself a time bomb, but that doesn't mean you can tell me what to do or not to do. A bit of delusions of grandeur, huh?

Delusions of grandeur? Your orders are thankfully impossible, but printing the exact same stupid comment about ten times in a row is possible for you, but also definitely impossible for anyone. Keep your hands in your pockets, boy, or you won't get into any mischief.

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Arie arm e tak. 4 November 2025

That's not quite a time bomb. I once heard from an old nurse that in the old days, hospital patients had to keep their hands above the covers. I imagine that wasn't without reason.

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4 November 2025

CM wrote:

term wrote:
Accountant wrote:
I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.
That's true, at least if you're being bought out for housing or industry. If you're being bought out for nature, you'll sing a different tune.
Yes, then 35000 comes into play.

€35000? That's what you get per hectare here in North Brabant if you have to leave as a nature leaseholder. Even a bit more. The owner simply gets the value. And that's enough, because they can simply buy something else in return. We have experience with this.

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juun 4 November 2025

You'll never get less than agricultural value, anyway. But if you're smart, you'll just say you want another plot back.

as 5 November 2025

juun wrote:

You'll never get less than agricultural value, anyway. But if you're smart, you'll just say you want another plot back.

If you're smart, you don't sell anything at all. If everyone did, the world would be a much better place. Now, everything is shifting to natural land, and in 10 years, it will be adjacent to everything, with all the associated limitations. Not smart; you shouldn't give them any opportunities. That's the only way farmland can be cherished.

hans 5 November 2025

marquis wrote:

Claas wrote:
Accountant wrote:
I remember a story about a farmer who thought they absolutely had to deal with him. He was asking so much that they could easily manage without him. In short, to get back to the headline: "The CDA doesn't rule out expropriation." In my opinion, being bought out isn't the worst disaster that can happen to a farmer.
That's what you see in practice. The big growers do that with the land trade, not with the crops.
True, but often combined with entrepreneurship, the willingness to borrow heavily, and the necessary risks. The pilots who always have an opinion haven't done enough themselves or are strict tenants.

Usually, large growers don't have a single acre of land left to themselves, tied up from one investment company to the next. All their land ownership is secured, and they can't move anywhere. They're completely stuck, and then they start growing beets for 40 euros or potatoes for 3 cents. After a few years of doing that, you know where it ends... then the other materials, machinery, etc., are the same old story. They're no longer family businesses or farmers. This way, they're ruining things for even a standard farmer. It's a sad state of affairs; everything has to be bigger!

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juun 5 November 2025

as wrote:

juun wrote:
You'll never get less than agricultural value, anyway. But if you're smart, you'll just say you want another plot back.
If you're smart, you don't sell anything at all. If everyone did, the world would be a much better place. Now, everything is shifting to natural land, and in 10 years, it will be adjacent to everything, with all the associated limitations. Not smart; you shouldn't give them any opportunities. That's the only way farmland can be cherished.

No way, the more nature, the better for everyone else. Let them buy it. Less land means less oversupply of everything.

hamer 5 November 2025

juun wrote:

as wrote:
juun wrote:
You'll never get less than agricultural value, anyway. But if you're smart, you'll just say you want another plot back.
If you're smart, you don't sell anything at all. If everyone did, the world would be a much better place. Now, everything is shifting to natural land, and in 10 years, it will be adjacent to everything, with all the associated limitations. Not smart; you shouldn't give them any opportunities. That's the only way farmland can be cherished.
No way, the more nature, the better for everyone else. Let them buy it. Less land means less oversupply of everything.

Nonsense, the less farmland, the higher the cost for us. And the more restrictions are imposed on nature, etc., and then it just comes from foreign countries that don't have those nonsense rules here. Go back to school, Jun, you don't understand a thing!

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juun 5 November 2025

hammer wrote:

juun wrote:
as wrote:
juun wrote:
You'll never get less than agricultural value, anyway. But if you're smart, you'll just say you want another plot back.
If you're smart, you don't sell anything at all. If everyone did, the world would be a much better place. Now, everything is shifting to natural land, and in 10 years, it will be adjacent to everything, with all the associated limitations. Not smart; you shouldn't give them any opportunities. That's the only way farmland can be cherished.
No way, the more nature, the better for everyone else. Let them buy it. Less land means less oversupply of everything.
Nonsense, the less farmland, the higher the cost for us. And the more restrictions are imposed on nature, etc., and then it just comes from foreign countries that don't have those nonsense rules here. Go back to school, Jun, you don't understand a thing!

Then you have to farm in a place where there's no natural habitat. Supply and demand will take care of the rest.

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time bomb 6 November 2025

Please, leave nature out. It places too many restrictions on livestock farming and agriculture, and we already have far too much hassle with all that green stuff. It can cost anything. But if you have to do something, let the farmers sow a few hectares of beautiful, exuberant, and captivating flowers in the spring for a fair, decent price. Great for the citizens and the farmers, and no more whining for the rest of the nature enthusiasts. The farmer is and remains the boss without any oversight; they'll see that when it's in bloom. They also monitor greening via satellite. Farmers monitor their flower fields; no forest rangers are needed. They can go home instead of doing nothing, and lie in nature and go mountain biking.

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Arie poor branch. 6 November 2025

time bomb wrote:

Please, leave nature out. It places too many restrictions on livestock farming and agriculture, and we already have far too much hassle with all that green stuff. It can cost anything. But if you have to do something, let the farmers sow a few hectares of beautiful, exuberant, and captivating flowers in the spring for a fair, decent price. Great for the citizens and the farmers, and no more whining for the rest of the nature enthusiasts. The farmer is and remains the boss without any oversight; they'll see that when it's in bloom. They also monitor greening via satellite. Farmers monitor their flower fields; no forest rangers are needed. They can go home instead of doing nothing, and lie in nature and go mountain biking.

From your letter, I understand you're quite busy keeping track of what all those forest rangers are doing, or aren't doing. That's a major advantage a farmer has compared to a citizen who works all day in an office or factory and has to miss out on all of this.

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