Van Andel for his last onions of the 2019 harvest. While he still has to sell these onions, the onions of 2020 have already been sold.
Van Andel's company is located near Emmeloord.
The color of the trigger is clear.
Because of the time of year there is little to see on the plots. Van Andel tries to grow as many green manures as possible.
Van Andel uses this onion harvester together with its organic neighbour.
A photo of the syringe should of course not be missed by Van Andel, who sees its use as indispensable.
The irrigation reel is particularly important for chicory cultivation. In particular, the emergence of the crop is very precise.
The typical storage sheds of the Flevopolders.
Van Andel took over the company from his father at the age of 27. He farms 50 hectares.
Van Andel is affiliated with Boerconsciousness.

Company report Michael van Andel

'When it came to money, I was already organic'

21 February 2020 - Anne Jan Doorn - 25 comments

Arable farmer Michiel van Andel would have been an organic arable farmer for a long time if he did not refuse on principle. “I want to determine for myself what is sustainable and not be pushed into a certain corner. The pigeonholing of 'organic is good and common is wrong' is far too short-sighted”, he says.

Van Andel is a well-known Twitter farmer who champions common arable farming practices, such as the application of chemistry. By means of scientific studies and a rational discussion, he tries to disprove negative reports about, among other things, glyphosate and fertilizers. “I can't stand that all kinds of untruths are being said about conventional arable farming and agriculture in general. I experience that as injustice and I rebel against it.”

Benefit from safe resources
These topics are often discussed during the visit to his company. Van Andel starts off by saying that he himself also benefits from safe farming. “It is sometimes forgotten that we as farmers also benefit from safe products that have the lowest possible impact on people and the environment. I also have 4 small children of my own and that is the best thing for me.”

In his close circle, Van Andel has lost people to cancer. He therefore does not talk unfeeling about the accusation that glyphosate causes cancer. “But I see a lot of fake news and even fake science being spread about glyphosate. It is a dangerous trend when sentiment and citizens decide what is dangerous or not. For example, a home remedy such as vinegar is more dangerous than glyphosate.”

Food has become a religion
“It is all presented far too indiscriminately. Fertilizers and pesticides are bad and organic is good. In reality it is much more complex. A belief has arisen around food. Even food prophets, in the form of various food gurus, are not lacking. The danger is that all kinds of dogmas are imposed on society based on this belief.”

Van Andel does not want to become a conspiracy theorist, but he does see that an enormous marketing campaign is being conducted in which rational considerations are disregarded. “For example, there are plenty of studies that show that if fertilizers disappear, the world's food supply is at stake. Of course I understand that the farmer is served by organic farming, because lower yields mean higher prices. It is certainly not in the public interest.”

Company Details
Michiel van Andel has an arable farm of approximately 50 hectares. He then grows 1-to-6 chicory, onions, beets and wheat. He trades part of his land. In addition to arable farming, he is also active in the futures markets. He is also an active advocate of sustainable farming practices. According to Van Andel, this also partly includes fertilizer and (synthetic) crop protection products.

“I am good at maths and would have been farming organically for a long time if I hadn't been so opposed to pigeonholing on principle. I lose €50.000 to €100.000 a year because I don't want to be organic. It's not that I have anything against organic, but I do want to be able to decide for myself what is sustainable."

Stopped with potatoes
Van Andel also calculates well in other areas what he does and therefore makes special choices. For example, he stopped growing potatoes. “When I started calculating, it turned out that I had better opt for the combination of onions and chicory. Potato cultivation is relatively expensive due to the seed potatoes and mechanization, while I am good at chicory cultivation. In addition, I still earn my money with potatoes, but on the futures market. Of course potatoes are a nice crop to grow, but after a while I got rid of that emotion.”

In addition to the potato futures market, Van Andel is also active in the futures markets of other commodities, earning an income in addition to his arable farming business. “It started with a futures market course from DCA and after a few years trading the potato futures market I expanded that further.”

Onion harvest 2020 already sold
Trading on the futures markets resulted in Van Andel becoming much more rational. “I now make much less decisions based on emotion. For example, I have already sold all my onions from harvest 2020, while I have not yet sold part of harvest 2019. It is a matter of statistics: the onion area has been growing for years in a row. Two dry summers in a row saved us, but it has never happened before that there are 3 dry summers in a row. Colleagues think I'm crazy and say I have to keep at least a part free to spread the risk. But I do spread those risks by being active in the futures markets.”

The entrepreneur uses a 1-on-6 construction plan. “In total I have 30 hectares of chicory, partly on swapped land. In addition, I have 14 hectares of onions, 8 hectares of wheat and 8 hectares of beets. I also rent a part for tulips, although I also do work for that myself. I exchange part of my land for seed potatoes, I have no further work to do on that. There is a lot of work involved in chicory: there is a lot of hoeing which I think is wonderful work, much to the surprise of my organic colleagues”, laughs Van Andel.

At 35 years old, the arable farmer is a relatively young entrepreneur. At the age of 27 he became his own boss on the arable farm. “My father gave me free rein at a young age. He has always worked very hard on the 100 hectares we once had, but the opportunity arose to sell some of the land, which has reduced the acreage. This was not long before the takeover. It was then decided not to buy back any land. Also with a view to the other children, and the upcoming company takeover.”

Local production
Then Van Andel returns to social themes. “The whole idea of ​​producing locally is of course a threat to arable farming and not based on rationality. Selling where you produce is by no means the best. If you produce 80 tons of onions here compared to 30 tons in Africa, that is a lot more efficient and the CO2 of the transport is negligible.”

“And it is of course much more sustainable to achieve maximum yield on our good quality soils than to be satisfied with 70% of the yield. It is not sustainable to sow, fertilize, irrigate, care for a crop, in short to give all that input, and then allow an important part to be lost again by insects or weeds. We are talking about food waste in the chain, but food waste on land is almost praised.”

Melina, Van Andel's wife, sometimes jokingly says that he is a moral knight. During the conversation, it can be noted that the attacks on conventional agriculture do not leave Van Andel cold. “A few years ago I was dealing with symptoms of burnout and I think that is partly due to my outrage at the misinformation about agriculture and the environment.” 

Incorrect information
Besides that Van Andel climbs into the pen as a defence, he also filed a lawsuit against Bionext for providing incorrect information. “It's better to call their story about True Cost Accounting Fake Cost Accounting. There is a lot of shopping in which parameters they do and do not include. For example, the fact that the yields of conventional are higher is not taken into account.”

“Another example of the spreading of incorrect information is that figures are being used that show that tens of thousands of people die every year from pesticide use. These are figures based on a study from the 70s/80s. Moreover, at least 70% of these deaths are due to suicide through the use of crop protection products. Yes, I am concerned about this kind of information usage. It is important that policy is made based on correct information,” concludes Van Andel.

 

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peter34 22 February 2020
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/fotoreportage/10885852/als-het-om-geld- went-was-ik-allang-biologisch]'When it came to money, I was already organic'[/url]
Even with limited knowledge and information, it is still possible to farm consciously.

Just as 'the public' does not know anything about the effects and dangers of substances, farmers do not know that. It works and it is allowed. As a farmer you no longer need, but it is limited.
Where would Van Andel like to gain knowledge about risk and the mechanism of action? At the most you will get filtered messages from the industry. That filter is in the hands of the industry.
pesticide 22 February 2020
Van Andel takes the theory on his shoulders and even the total world food problem.

This is the homework of politicians / doing Europe over and asking approval from our The Hague waiters of Europe.

This problem requires a different approach, (Brits have their country back).
Carol Schouten 22 February 2020
Free, where we decide who we talk to.
According to the 22 February 2020
An entrepreneur who just leaves 100.000 euros behind?
An incredible story.
hans 22 February 2020
Strange story.

He has 50 hectares, but he cultivates 60 hectares, plus the necessary hectares, which he rents out for tulips and seed potatoes.
Plus speculating on the futures market, where the fellow farmer is cheated, and African farmers make life impossible through so-called "efficiency". I have a different image of a moral knight.

He probably farms from the proceeds of part of the 50 hectares sold. (not coincidentally for urban expansion or something?).
ordinary farmer 23 February 2020
no system has only advantages or disadvantages
So let everyone do what suits him or her
grain grower 23 February 2020
he is absolutely right! 50 ha or less or more doesn't matter! I'm not going to grow organic either!
I am not behind as a person because nothing is better!
not to do for my company, which mainly concerns grain cultivation.
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Michael van Andel 24 February 2020
@hans little strange about it. I have 50 hectares. On own ground a 1 0p 6 rotation. By means of rent and exchange I will grow 66 hectares myself next year: 36 hectares of chicory, 14 hectares. onions, 8 ha wheat, 8 ha sugar beets. (a further 6 ha of chicory has recently been added) Anyway.

Explain to me Hans how I cheat colleagues by being active in the futures market? The futures market is a great instrument for growers to hedge your price (hedge your harvest). Unfortunately, it is used far too little (in potatoes, in particular). As an entrepreneur you are then more flexible and freer than with fixed price contracts. When I buy products on the futures market, I give an enterprising farmer the opportunity to hedge his harvest. (at my risk!) and if I sell I am giving a processor or trader or speculator the chance to trade/fix the buy price. That is free trade, supply and demand. Futures markets work by the grace of people who take risks by buying and selling. As I said, unfortunately, too few people understand this and far too many permanent contracts are signed in the potatoes. Anyway, everyone is happy. Free to use or not to take advantage of the opportunities that the market offers.

And I would make life impossible for African farmers?! Bit short sighted isn't it? Hans? Unfortunately, there has sometimes been talk of overpopulation of the local market by certain exporters, and that does not benefit anyone, certainly not us as an exporting country. Measures are therefore being taken by the African countries by means of more import quotas. But on the whole, the African population is very grateful for good NL onions in times when there are not enough of them there.

Tell me Hans, if an organic trip from here to Scandinavia is driven by truck (higher co2 print per kg. than the usual boat trip to Africa) is that oppression of the local farmers in Scandinavia?

And no, I do not farm on the income from the sale of part of the land. (not for houses by the way, but for greenhouse horticulture) When taking over, I simply had to pay the price that is common for takeovers within the family and had to take out hefty loans. The income from that sale went to my parents and is now eaten by the ECB with its idiotic policy ;-) What is left of it will be divided between the tax authorities and the 5 children in the family after my father's death. Yes, that is a privileged situation. But it was the result of entrepreneurial risks that my father took by buying a long lease in 94 and getting deeply into debt. And, not to forget to work hard to get the business right, pay the bank ;-) and support his family.

No Hans I have a well-functioning arable farm and I also do futures trading. That's it.

Hans I don't know you and you don't know me. But feel free to drop by, send me an email, and we'll make an appointment and I'll explain to you how land exchange and rent work, how futures trading works and how the world is not as black and white as you sometimes seem to think given you comments on this forum.... (or is that another anonymous hans?)

@Theo unbelievable idk! just as unbelievable as a common arable farmer in the Noordoostpolder who has 1/6 potatoes in his crop plan. I don't know any of them but myself. Some unbelievable stories are true. Anyone who can calculate and is a little familiar with the matter knows that the story is correct. I also say for you, send an email, come by sometime and I will calculate it for you with the accounting reports. It's not higher math. I look forward to your email!

@peter 34 You are also welcome! You wonder how I got my information. I am happy to talk to you about this and trade-offs, about independent or non-independent research, about interest groups and about risk and danger. They are fun and important topics. I'm waiting for your email!
frog 24 February 2020
Michael van Andel wrote:
@hans little strange about it. I have 50 hectares. On own ground a 1 0p 6 rotation. By means of rent and exchange I will grow 66 hectares myself next year: 36 hectares of chicory, 14 hectares. onions, 8 ha wheat, 8 ha sugar beets. (a further 6 ha of chicory has recently been added) Anyway.

Explain to me Hans how I cheat colleagues by being active in the futures market? The futures market is a great instrument for growers to hedge your price (hedge your harvest). Unfortunately, it is used far too little (in potatoes, in particular). As an entrepreneur you are then more flexible and freer than with fixed price contracts. When I buy products on the futures market, I give an enterprising farmer the opportunity to hedge his harvest. (at my risk!) and if I sell I am giving a processor or trader or speculator the chance to trade/fix the buy price. That is free trade, supply and demand. Futures markets work by the grace of people who take risks by buying and selling. As I said, unfortunately, too few people understand this and far too many permanent contracts are signed in the potatoes. Anyway, everyone is happy. Free to use or not to take advantage of the opportunities that the market offers.

And I would make life impossible for African farmers?! Bit short sighted isn't it? Hans? Unfortunately, there has sometimes been talk of overpopulation of the local market by certain exporters, and that does not benefit anyone, certainly not us as an exporting country. Measures are therefore being taken by the African countries by means of more import quotas. But on the whole, the African population is very grateful for good NL onions in times when there are not enough of them there.

Tell me Hans, if an organic trip from here to Scandinavia is driven by truck (higher co2 print per kg. than the usual boat trip to Africa) is that oppression of the local farmers in Scandinavia?

And no, I do not farm on the income from the sale of part of the land. (not for houses by the way, but for greenhouse horticulture) When taking over, I simply had to pay the price that is common for takeovers within the family and had to take out hefty loans. The income from that sale went to my parents and is now eaten by the ECB with its idiotic policy ;-) What is left of it will be divided between the tax authorities and the 5 children in the family after my father's death. Yes, that is a privileged situation. But it was the result of entrepreneurial risks that my father took by buying a long lease in 94 and getting deeply into debt. And, not to forget to work hard to get the business right, pay the bank ;-) and support his family.

No Hans I have a well-functioning arable farm and I also do futures trading. That's it.

Hans I don't know you and you don't know me. But feel free to drop by, send me an email, and we'll make an appointment and I'll explain to you how land exchange and rent work, how futures trading works and how the world is not as black and white as you sometimes seem to think given you comments on this forum.... (or is that another anonymous hans?)

@Theo unbelievable idk! just as unbelievable as a common arable farmer in the Noordoostpolder who has 1/6 potatoes in his crop plan. I don't know any of them but myself. Some unbelievable stories are true. Anyone who can calculate and is a little familiar with the matter knows that the story is correct. I also say for you, send an email, come by sometime and I will calculate it for you with the accounting reports. It's not higher math. I look forward to your email!

@peter 34 You are also welcome! You wonder how I got my information. I am happy to talk to you about this and trade-offs, about independent or non-independent research, about interest groups and about risk and danger. They are fun and important topics. I'm waiting for your email!
It is indeed a pity that people/companies are judged without knowing the seam of the stock. It is a pity that you have to give a sneer to the contract grower, because I was just starting to get respect for you!
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Michael van Andel 24 February 2020
frog wrote:
Michael van Andel wrote:
@hans little strange about it. I have 50 hectares. On own ground a 1 0p 6 rotation. By means of rent and exchange I will grow 66 hectares myself next year: 36 hectares of chicory, 14 hectares. onions, 8 ha wheat, 8 ha sugar beets. (a further 6 ha of chicory has recently been added) Anyway.

Explain to me Hans how I cheat colleagues by being active in the futures market? The futures market is a great instrument for growers to hedge your price (hedge your harvest). Unfortunately, it is used far too little (in potatoes, in particular). As an entrepreneur you are then more flexible and freer than with fixed price contracts. When I buy products on the futures market, I give an enterprising farmer the opportunity to hedge his harvest. (at my risk!) and if I sell I am giving a processor or trader or speculator the chance to trade/fix the buy price. That is free trade, supply and demand. Futures markets work by the grace of people who take risks by buying and selling. As I said, unfortunately, too few people understand this and far too many permanent contracts are signed in the potatoes. Anyway, everyone is happy. Free to use or not to take advantage of the opportunities that the market offers.

And I would make life impossible for African farmers?! Bit short sighted isn't it? Hans? Unfortunately, there has sometimes been talk of overpopulation of the local market by certain exporters, and that does not benefit anyone, certainly not us as an exporting country. Measures are therefore being taken by the African countries by means of more import quotas. But on the whole, the African population is very grateful for good NL onions in times when there are not enough of them there.

Tell me Hans, if an organic trip from here to Scandinavia is driven by truck (higher co2 print per kg. than the usual boat trip to Africa) is that oppression of the local farmers in Scandinavia?

And no, I do not farm on the income from the sale of part of the land. (not for houses by the way, but for greenhouse horticulture) When taking over, I simply had to pay the price that is common for takeovers within the family and had to take out hefty loans. The income from that sale went to my parents and is now eaten by the ECB with its idiotic policy ;-) What is left of it will be divided between the tax authorities and the 5 children in the family after my father's death. Yes, that is a privileged situation. But it was the result of entrepreneurial risks that my father took by buying a long lease in 94 and getting deeply into debt. And, not to forget to work hard to get the business right, pay the bank ;-) and support his family.

No Hans I have a well-functioning arable farm and I also do futures trading. That's it.

Hans I don't know you and you don't know me. But feel free to drop by, send me an email, and we'll make an appointment and I'll explain to you how land exchange and rent work, how futures trading works and how the world is not as black and white as you sometimes seem to think given you comments on this forum.... (or is that another anonymous hans?)

@Theo unbelievable idk! just as unbelievable as a common arable farmer in the Noordoostpolder who has 1/6 potatoes in his crop plan. I don't know any of them but myself. Some unbelievable stories are true. Anyone who can calculate and is a little familiar with the matter knows that the story is correct. I also say for you, send an email, come by sometime and I will calculate it for you with the accounting reports. It's not higher math. I look forward to your email!

@peter 34 You are also welcome! You wonder how I got my information. I am happy to talk to you about this and trade-offs, about independent or non-independent research, about interest groups and about risk and danger. They are fun and important topics. I'm waiting for your email!
It is indeed a pity that people/companies are judged without knowing the seam of the stock. It is a pity that you have to give a sneer to the contract grower, because I was just starting to get respect for you!
Frog, I was asked for an opinion, that is the idea of ​​that report and of my reaction here. That's what it is, no kidding. Just my opinion that it is a shame that so little use is made of this instrument. Maybe I worded it a bit unhappily. I fully understand the motivation and reasons for contracting and there is certainly something to be said for doing that with part of the harvest.

If giving my opinion causes me to lose your respect so be it ;-) but I don't speak out about things to earn respect from the whole community ;-)
hans 24 February 2020
Michel,
1) it is therefore an incorrect representation of your company size in the basic article!

2) The futures market is therefore something for speculators in time, where farmers are forced to sell (large parts of) their harvest immediately. In addition to ruining your market if necessary by importing (and here, and in Africa, among others) only relatively small quantities, as a farmer you are simply trapped in large batches by that trade

Why are farmers not allowed to make agreements about volumes (are these (and estimates internationally) even publicly communicated), but are speculators allowed to play the market with infinitely large parties without hindrance?

3) international import quotas are banned in many (poor) countries by the IMF, the western new colonizer. Give a country a "loan" and you can make or break it, that is, exchange their wealth for our subsidized surpluses, which also costs their farmers their heads and gives our multinationals an assured outlet.
Besides the fact that the polluting emissions from ships are often unknown, in terms of quantities as well as which substances ("contaminated" fuel) and probably are estimated much too low, (nota bene bio) food security is mainly a local matter, if your farmers also lead a normal life. grants.

4) Crazy ECB policy, indeed, completely agree!

Thanks for your response Michel, you will find out how the world works with your young age, I hope you (and all other farmers on our planet, food is a basic necessity of life that many seem to have forgotten) .
Groningen grain grower 24 February 2020
Dear Hans,

An increasing or decreasing price is caused by market forces, this is caused by the free growers and the speculators.

If everyone concludes a contract in advance, your harvest will be sold on average. With the necessary problems if the price has fallen and if the prices have risen, you can deliver for a good price.

But if you feel comfortable with fixed prices, you should definitely do that.
Think that most arable farmers can certainly bear the risk of one less year.

With contracts for everyone, the fdf can also discontinue its new sales strategy. I think it's worth a try if you grow a lot of red fruit.
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Michael van Andel 24 February 2020
1 Hans... at the time of the interview about 2 weeks ago, there was talk of 30 ha of chicory. Today another piece of rented land came my way. The basic article talks about 60 ha is therefore correct..

2. Hans, you still don't understand much about futures markets. it is also ideal for farmers to hedge their prices with.

if you find it a problem that farmers are not allowed to make agreements about prices, and I can make a good living there. Then you should be an advocate for futures markets where you can take back some control on price as an entrepreneur.

3. can be. But I was talking about onions and you condemned me for exporting onions.... believe me but those countries just introduce import quotas if they get too many onions. We are getting more and more involved. And in the end it is their right.

4. glad we can agree on something!

Hans the invitation stands. With your apparently somewhat older age? It might not hurt to take off the blinders and talk to a younger entrepreneur. I understand that as you get older you become less flexible in your thinking. You show a very narrow mindset in your responses. And a very childish response, moreover, that the article is incorrect. You might start to admit that you don't understand much about land swapping and renting ;-) you accuse me of cheating on my colleagues. You insinuate that I'm just lying in the article and in reality I live on money obtained through. land sales. Maybe an excuse would suit you more? Anyway, resume think a little better before you write and judge a little less.
peter 34 24 February 2020
@Michiel VanAndel,
Thank you for your response. My first post was not about specific resources. My point is that 'conscious farming' does (should) say something about the attitude and efforts of the grower, but that it doesn't say much about their quality, because awareness is limited by knowledge.
That knowledge is especially limited because, for example, little is known about GBM. You don't get it, I don't get it. And if you did get it, interpretation of it would still be a problem. The producers give you as much/little as they want and you can comprehend. Both the revenue model and the actual resources (mechanism of action, 'ingredients', harmfulness, residues, alternatives, reason to register or not) are beyond our control and it is not your business.
What is important for the conscious farmer is that it is allowed and it works. And that's enough.
Nothing is said about the value of 'conscious'.
Just like organic farmers do not know all the mechanisms and interactions on their farm. Some of them are very aware of this and others are 'about the money'. That is a different kind of conscious, but also conscious.
Would farmers who do not have such a sign on the dam be unconscious or unconscious?
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Michael van Andel 24 February 2020
peter 34 wrote:
@Michiel VanAndel,
Thank you for your response. My first post was not about specific resources. My point is that 'conscious farming' does (should) say something about the attitude and efforts of the grower, but that it doesn't say much about their quality, because awareness is limited by knowledge.
That knowledge is especially limited because, for example, little is known about GBM. You don't get it, I don't get it. And if you did get it, interpretation of it would still be a problem. The producers give you as much/little as they want and you can comprehend. Both the revenue model and the actual resources (mechanism of action, 'ingredients', harmfulness, residues, alternatives, reason to register or not) are beyond our control and it is not your business.
What is important for the conscious farmer is that it is allowed and it works. And that's enough.
Nothing is said about the value of 'conscious'.
Just like organic farmers do not know all the mechanisms and interactions on their farm. Some of them are very aware of this and others are 'about the money'. That is a different kind of conscious, but also conscious.
Would farmers who do not have such a sign on the dam be unconscious or unconscious?
No, that sign in itself says nothing about how aware one is or not of what he or she is doing. We agree.

What matters to me and why I say come by and we'll talk about it; It is nonsense to say that nothing is known about the safety of substances. I think you and many like you want to go to a society where we decide things based on what we don't know instead of what we do know. Well I find that problematic. As well as the attitude of many that life and agriculture do not consist of trade offs. But talking about these things anonymously in a forum like this won't work. Just drop by. Can we see where we agree and disagree!

nb. unfortunately my experience is always via twitter or any other way that an invitation is never accepted. People would rather stick to their own dogma than have a good conversation about it at the kitchen table.

hans 24 February 2020
Michel, the article (I think, stupid old farmer) really does state company data 50 ha .... and you grow 60. I'm not accusing you of lying, but the article is not correct.

Futures markets are speculative revenue models. Just like the stock market, winners and losers. You should do this, even with borrowed money. Good advice for young farmers. I would say, go speculate, but then leave your farming for what it is.
But yes, I am not of this time, I see more and more farmers in trouble, but apparently I have followed the wrong course.
peter 34 25 February 2020
@ Michael van Andel
No, that plate ansich AND THAT MESSAGE emanates from it says nothing about how aware one is or not of what he or she is doing. We agree. THAT WAS THE DESIGN OF MY FIRST MESSAGE.

What I wrote to illustrate that was not the reason, although your apparently categorical rejection of Bio does surprise me. But you are not alone in this.
It is your choice that you reject the means, methods and insights that organic farming also uses.
A few years ago, when I attended the short course on soil life at Mulder Agro, occasionally with crooked toes, I learned a lot, firstly about the lack of content in this regard on the HAS (even more so the MAS), secondly about the questionable, yes harmful role of the chemical industry and serf trade.
But having a conversation with you about ELVs is a waste of time, because you are deliberately stubborn (know better) unless the regular trade (which is slowly turning the stern) convinces you.
In this way every farmer/entrepreneur sings his own song. You are not ashamed of that, witness the article.
Time will tell. Keep in mind that, apart from all the science and commerce, the retail trade and legislation are increasingly gagging regular agriculture, like it or not.
the fries 25 February 2020
peter 34 wrote:
@ Michael van Andel
No, that plate ansich AND THAT MESSAGE emanates from it says nothing about how aware one is or not of what he or she is doing. We agree. THAT WAS THE DESIGN OF MY FIRST MESSAGE.

What I wrote to illustrate that was not the reason, although your apparently categorical rejection of Bio does surprise me. But you are not alone in this.
It is your choice that you reject the means, methods and insights that organic farming also uses.
A few years ago, when I attended the short course on soil life at Mulder Agro, occasionally with crooked toes, I learned a lot, firstly about the lack of content in this regard on the HAS (even more so the MAS), secondly about the questionable, yes harmful role of the chemical industry and serf trade.
But having a conversation with you about ELVs is a waste of time, because you are deliberately stubborn (know better) unless the regular trade (which is slowly turning the stern) convinces you.
In this way every farmer/entrepreneur sings his own song. You are not ashamed of that, witness the article.
Time will tell. Keep in mind that, apart from all the science and commerce, the retail trade and legislation are increasingly gagging regular agriculture, like it or not.
Ahh.... You are a convert of the Mulder Agro group, we also have a few of them in Fryslan, and I must say those companies have been running like a train since they changed course, NOT. Starting misery again with plowing and slowly admitting that Glyphosate is not so wrong after all.
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Michael van Andel 25 February 2020
dear hans and peter... both of you do little but make assumptions without knowing me or knowing how i feel about things. Hans running a business consists of winning and losing. Free trade consists of winning and losing. What exactly do you want to say? Futures markets are an opportunity for farmers to grow freely and negotiate a market price above the contract price. Without being tied to anyone.

I maintain that you have understood little about futures markets, and no I would not advise anyone to start with borrowed money on futures markets. I myself started with 10.000 euros in savings 8 years ago.


50 ha is my business, that is my land owned. That's a fact. The surface that I grow can vary from year to year.

which course did you follow Hans?


Peter? Categorical rejection of Bio ? quit it. Again you judge without delving into the matter. There are very good principles and working methods attached to organic farming. I think so too and you would know that if you knew me.

what I categorically reject is black-and-white thinking, pigeonholing. make choices based on synthetic/natural. crisprcas error/mutagenesis correct. Fertilizer bad/greenwashed pius florus fertilizer good. Organic outing with truck to Scandinavia good / common outing with boat to Africa bad. Things are all a bit more nuanced.

again Gentlemen come by and we'll talk about it this doesn't work.
and if not, at least read this story from my hand, peter:

https://bloggendeboer.com/2017/12/14/eerste-blogbericht/#more-4

maybe then you will understand a little better where I come from.

peter 34 25 February 2020
@ the fries. They will be there too. But what if glyphosate is banned? It is better to take this possibility into account and to pre-sort in good time.
Even now, with the current mechanization you no longer need orange plots.
The fact that I am not a 'convert' does not mean that I have not gained useful information about soil life. Tons more than at the HAS or in the regular information = sales info.
This is how Mulder Agro distinguishes itself from most suppliers: no sales 'lessons'.
Flip 25 February 2020
Michiel, a young guy with vision and as far as I'm concerned a clear story, my compliments.

Personally, I think the current growing method is a blessing for the climate. The organic farmers in Flevoland spray almost as much as the conventional ones, so you are wrong about PPP with regard to only conventional cultivation.
The organic farmer needs more land for the same amount of food, much more workers, especially from Eastern Europe. This requires extra living space that is not there, more cars (traffic jam), more school-age children (teacher shortage), more police and hospital staff.
There is an enormous shortage of workers nationwide, it is crazy that we need so many people for the organic food supply. I advocate a premium for the conventional (read climate-friendly) farmer or a fine for the organic grower......

peter34 26 February 2020
@flip "The organic farmers in Flevoland spray almost as much as the conventional ones" Show or revoke your claim.
Flip 27 February 2020
Just ask the contractors, they spray a lot at organic farmers. Organic potatoes are grown in Flevoland that remain in the field just as long as conventional ones, the spray marks are even deeper.... In potato cultivation, as is known, a lot of copper is sprayed, large amounts of sulfur are used in the fruit to to keep the fruit nice enough for the discerning consumer. The new Flevo trend is organic as well as common, I'm not saying anything but I have my reservations about it. There are, however, quite a few organic farmers who do it in a more responsible way, but that is also the case in conventional agriculture. In the Netherlands we are all good at one thing from high to low from left to right and that is; Making all so-called issues in the superlative bigger than they are and at some point discovering that we have destroyed everything. I don't think I need to mention any examples.

Michiel in the piece above is a young guy with his view of the future, fine right? That whining and whining from a number of commenters really doesn't add anything at all....
gerard 27 February 2020
I sometimes understood that you could only inject copper at organic farmers if it was a deficiency and therefore not to combat potato blight
I don't think the weeds are the problem with the organic farmers but the fungi
GPS hoeing machines with camera and I know more will remove a lot of weeds there will always be manual work left
Bah 27 February 2020
what bad pictures
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