No majority for glyphosate extension

Jan 11 November 2017

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peta 11 November 2017

Striking for me in this article: Carry Gillham talks about the comparison of glyphosate with table salt! We were told exactly that comparison around the time of roundupp approval on the spraying course here in the Netherlands when it came to the risks of substances! It was officials from the then Ministry of Agriculture and Food who presented us with this comparison. Can you imagine how much energy the manufacturer put into brainwashing people in Europe at the time! Makes you as an applicator all the more uncertain about the actual health risks of such a product. Why so much gossip to get something admitted and not facts?

peer 12 November 2017

if you ban glyphosate, then also ban the importation of grain sprayed with glyphosate
But they don't have the balls for that

PCLT Roeselare 1987 14 November 2017

petatje wrote:

Striking for me in this article: Carry Gillham talks about the comparison of glyphosate with table salt! We were told exactly that comparison around the time of roundupp approval on the spraying course here in the Netherlands when it came to the risks of substances! It was officials from the then Ministry of Agriculture and Food who presented us with this comparison. Can you imagine how much energy the manufacturer put into brainwashing people in Europe at the time! Makes you as an applicator all the more uncertain about the actual health risks of such a product. Why so much gossip to get something admitted and not facts?

NEVER, and I will NEVER forget that the LD1987 was discussed at a kind of spraying course in 50 and our teacher is a fantastic example of this: Roundup, was just on the market in Belgium! According to him, you could drink half a glass of it, it was that healthy. Monsanto had done tests on rats and gave them Roundup to drink instead of water and really, only some of the rats died, hang on after 10 days. Probably due to the feed....

Subsequently, we, the future users, may have handled it more carelessly in the following years than, for example, with Perfection. Really, I'm not comfortable with it: we sprayed this very likely cancer-processing product with the backpack sprayer with shorts NOW, it was (WAS) super safe. I heard a story from a farmer from Veurne Ambacht, who got thick legs after using Roundup, then in the 90s.
The unfortunate has been dead for 15 years of thyroid cancer, yes THE PLANET in the cotton area of the US. The clinics over there are full of farmers with...thyroid cancer.

Monsanto is taken over by Bayer, Hitler's court supplier for the product Ziklon B.
Enough now sure?

Skirt 15 November 2017

Eating a kilo of salt is also deadly...

German 15 November 2017

Life is also deadly kjol

Jan 24 November 2017

Please let those colleagues who are so confident in the safety of glyphosate learn about how it works before outrightly rejecting the ban.
Dear people, it is not a growth material and cannot be compared with it. the ai and decomposition products remain ACTIVE for a very long time in the soil, so that soil fertility and soil life are affected for just as long. Do not remain dependent on the commercial stories that you used to hear so much as confirmation of your business operations. You are responsible for your health and the future of your company/soil. Commerce really does not give up if the future is less rosy due to the application of this and other means. The shareholders have received their (untaxed) dividend, but you can sit on the blisters. Research, verify, think and then decide!

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smart ass 24 November 2017

best resource we have.
nothing wrong with it.

your drink in the cellar is much worse and you just drink it.

leftist chatter

bookscook 24 November 2017

know-it-all wrote:

best resource we have.
nothing wrong with it.

your drink in the cellar is much worse and you just drink it.

leftist chatter

Well, this is also nonsense, I would almost like to ask you to switch drinks, but no, don't, I don't want that on my conscience and neither do you!

Jan 24 November 2017

@betweter Whether I talk left or right seems less relevant to me if you know better. WHAT do you know about glyphosate? Or don't WANT to know?

What do you notice, or do you just know better without wanting to know? Do some research into the mechanism of action of glyphosate and its breakdown products. To know even better.

Or are you one of the shareholders? Then I understand your reaction and that you know better. They always know better, because they know what is good for themselves and for others.

quite coarse 24 November 2017

Research around America has shown in people who have used this for 24 years that there are no differences in cancer cases compared to non-using people.
Middel has been around for about 45 years without any accidents.
As far as I'm concerned, it should be a little less, but banning it will not benefit the environment.
If you want you can find residue from everywhere and we are getting older like never before.
There is a very good chance that the body often just breaks it down.

Jan 24 November 2017

@ pretty rude. Why are you limiting yourself to cancer? If you knew the mechanism of action you would write differently.
Why would prohibition harm the environment? Organic farmers can also do without this product. The weeding on those farms is really not caused by the lack of glyphosate.
Please do not start again about copper use by organic farmers.
That's a whole different chapter

quite coarse 24 November 2017

smoking and alcohol kill more people so what's the problem with glyphosate compared to this.
And organic farmers didn't go organic because they were against glyphosate, most of them do it for the money!!
It will harm the environment because other means will be used that are not better, more effective or cheaper

Jan 25 November 2017

pretty rude wrote:

smoking and alcohol kill more people so what's the problem with glyphosate compared to this.
And organic farmers didn't go organic because they were against glyphosate, most of them do it for the money!!
It will harm the environment because other means will be used that are not better, more effective or cheaper

"so what's the problem with glyphosate" the problem is that people are tired of finding substances in their environment and food that they don't know, of which they don't know the effects and of which they don't even know what and how much is in it sit. In addition, trust in 'science' is waning, so all kinds of permitted applications and resources are no longer trusted. (a recent example of this is the accumulation of active toxins in strawberries). Believe it or not, people don't want this, so they ask the regulators for bans.
That organic farming is all about income is a. no shame (should they do it out of pure idealism?) and b. is separate from this topic.
You write 'because other means will be used' and that is exactly what you can learn from organic farmers: growing without means. Look outside your company with ingrained habits. Maybe you can learn something from it. or maybe you like it.

quite coarse 25 November 2017

If people are fed up with it, they will buy organic!
But they don't do that because they think it's too expensive and if something isn't sustainable, it's organic.
Who in your area has died from smoking, alcohol, drugs, etc, etc? And who died or got sick from our sustainable and healthy way of growing?
What about the sewage water after purification?
What about the surface water of the holy Oostvaardersplassen?
Go and work on that first and also take a look at the natural toxins in the fungi in the organic products.
Stacking remnants of resources also fails because they are all different resources, each with their own different effect.
You can't add up a sting of a nettle and caffeine in coffee either!!!
Also the bullshit about broiler chickens: they are the most sustainably grown piece of meat there is.
Now that this is no longer allowed, the animals have to spend more days in the stable, use more water, feed space, and produce more heat and manure. It also works a bit with organic, one will never be able to feed the world with organic!!!
And finally a few more questions, how much beer should you drink a day before you get sick from the glyphosate, and how many kilos of strawberries should you eat before you get sick? And so on.
I have been working with chemistry in agriculture for 40 years and often without a mask, gloves or other protectors and I am very healthy with healthy children.

peer 27 November 2017

Dear Jan
if you want to read some reading material buy a good book
8 times more medicines are found in drinking water than our pesticides
and we can now go forward for another 5 years with glyphosate
and yes we can learn something from our organic farmers
and what else have you looked at the field of the NS there you will not find a single piece of dirt. Crazy, huh

quite coarse 28 November 2017

Indeed Pear,
That's why I call it that, the majority of people just look at someone else but don't know what kind of mess they themselves leave behind.
Look at the towns and cities and see what a mess it gets on the sidewalks and streets. They make up all sorts of things but work well, anyway.
Costs are skyrocketing.
And the NS is or was the largest buyer of glyphosate in the Netherlands, I think that's fine.
You can certainly learn something from organic farmers, but I hated weeding in the past and it is something from the last century.
After all, we are not going back to pen and paper.
After all, labor has become too expensive for hoe and hoe, technology may help us, but only the big ones will benefit from it, the smaller ones will not survive and can survive for some time with organic cultivation.
After 45 years, glyphosate has still not been proven to be a carcinogen! I'm glad it's back for a while!!!

Total nonsense 28 November 2017

Labor costs may not be a reason for extension. Indeed it has not yet been proven whether it is really carcinogenic, but you have certainly not yet proven that it has no long-term consequences. Because glyphosate is broken down into smaller, possibly harmless ones! Parts that can already be found in drinking water everywhere. If this goes wrong, it will also go terribly wrong, and in 40 years' time you will tell those who have kept something from it "yes I just don't like weeding, that's from the last century". Come and think a little further than your own problem, you work nicely with the image of the Dutch farmer for these reasons!

quite rude 28 November 2017

What about the plastic particles that are found in all fish species in the oceans?
You better worry about that.
and no, we all don't like weeding because the migrant workers have to do that for us because the Dutch don't feel like it but they do have the biggest talk about how we should do it!!
All resources that we use are thoroughly tested and researched, only then are they allowed and sooner not!!
Don't worry about the contraceptive residues in the water, birds and fish already have a reduced fertility in the vicinity of water treatment plants!
It is very easy to yell at our working methods with our inexhaustible shelves in the supermarket.
Thanks in part to chemistry, our food has become dirt cheap and always of excellent quality.
Enjoy your dinner!!

Total nonsense 28 November 2017

To be clear, I am a farmer from Zeeland, but I study in Wageningen. Pointing to other harmful things makes no sense at all and is certainly no reason to just continue with what we are doing. But sticking to the plastic, this was once designed by smart minds with the function of being lightweight, waterproof, hygienic and very sturdy. And it worked very well, a product that fulfills its functions in a great way. Well, those smart, read short-sighted, researchers didn't think of one point: biodegradability. And well done, in maybe 20 years we have dumped the entire ocean with potentially irreversible consequences. And you now want to rely on those same researchers to continue using glyphosate? The solution to use glyphosate for good and cheap products should therefore not be a solution at all. And be realistic, should we as alker builders be so happy with the situation as it is now? I just notice that I have to deliver top quality,

Total nonsense 28 November 2017

At far too low prices. And that is partly because we are becoming far too much of an industry that produces bulk products at cost price. A little challenge that pays off is much more fun/interesting, isn't it?

sand farmer 28 November 2017

I see product prices going up sooner without round up than with by the way. And a change will not come until there is a ban on the substance used until then. Of course that will suck for a while, but a solution will also present itself. It is very positive that it is a European ban, which speeds up solutions. Am a user myself, but also see that the use is considerable because of the low price. Burning off briefly, even if it is not really necessary, happens en masse because of the cheap use. And that's where it goes wrong. Perhaps with 15 euros per liter the problems we have now were not caused. Hand in hand is sometimes good too.

Total nonsense 28 November 2017

Indeed, we are the fastest in developments in the Netherlands. And in addition, it increases our advantage compared to large-scale agriculture in Eastern Europe where even automatic weeding, with a low capacity, on plots of 100 ha is simply not an option.

quite rude 28 November 2017

Total nonsense indeed, that plastic is super stuff but not meant to be thrown behind our ass.
So it is with glyphosate, we have to use it for the purpose for which it is authorized with the right dosage and application agents at the right time.
The citizen who also uses this often dosed a multiple error of what was necessary, also on pavement which quickly washed down to the sewer or surface water because the average citizen is ignorant.
It's a shame that you don't trust the researchers, because they may have also studied in Wageningen.
Zandboer may have meant that the cost price will go up without glyphosate, but the selling price does not seem to me to be the case.
Delivering top quality is a must and that is possible .
without glyphosate but also with.
We have yet to see if the alternative that comes is better for the environment than it is now.
In any case, I'm glad it's there again for 5 years and many with me!!

wig maker 13 December 2017

Regardless of whether the use of Glysophate is good or bad for the environment, user and citizen in Europe, a ban will significantly increase the profitability of all arable farms.

quite coarse 13 December 2017

Would you like to explain this Wigmaker!
I don't see where the profit would lie.

wig maker 13 December 2017

It's just too easy to spray Glyphosate all over the place.
The drama in arable farming is so great that any change in the sector produces an improvement in yield.
I am also in favor of a ban on spraying Glysophate on wheat about 3 to 10 days before the harvest, as a fanatic sprayer I don't think it is of this time anymore.

quite coarse 14 December 2017

I see you're scribbling back.
I actually never inject pre-harvest in my grains, but I can imagine that large grain growers partially use this to keep up the harvesting rate.
I can imagine that restrictions will apply, but a total ban would be a disaster because the alternatives are often more expensive, less good and possibly less safe.
The caffeine we consume every day is many times more toxic than the glyphosate we sometimes use.

Greuste potato 14 December 2017

pretty rude wrote:

I see you're scribbling back.
I actually never inject pre-harvest in my grains, but I can imagine that large grain growers partially use this to keep up the harvesting rate.
I can imagine that restrictions will apply, but a total ban would be a disaster because the alternatives are often more expensive, less good and possibly less safe.
The caffeine we consume every day is many times more toxic than the glyphosate we sometimes use.

And when are we going to talk about the preservatives and all the other additives that are used to extend the life of the products. Speaking of sustainability.....

peer 14 December 2017

and how are we going to combat our potato storage. is there a new remedy for that?

wig maker 14 December 2017

pear wrote:

and how are we going to combat our potato storage. is there a new remedy for that?

That's just the beauty of it, in the end many times better for the pricing of all products. A matter of 'out of the box'
think and not think SlowlyTenUnder.

peta 14 December 2017

pear wrote:

and how are we going to combat our potato storage. is there a new remedy for that?

Just like wig maker said, think outside the box!
And just in the box: wider rotation of potatoes, non-turning tillage after potatoes, bantam conditioners under the harvesting mat,
do not spill when filling a tipper, grow large varieties with little undersize, the smallest possible pitch and probably even more possibilities that we have forgotten because of glyphosate.
And when still in storage: hoeing, hand spraying various herbicides depending on cultivation.

quite coarse 15 December 2017

All true, but why don't we?
Right, glyphosate is cheaper and works better!!
All the examples you mention cost more money, labor and time and no customer is going to pay a plus for this! So the cost continues to rise.
Abroad is sooo close.
In other words, if we're a little too expensive, they'll get it elsewhere.
There is nothing wrong with glyphosate!!
What other drug has been on the market for so long?

really rude 15 December 2017

pretty rude wrote:

All true, but why don't we?
Right, glyphosate is cheaper and works better!!
All the examples you mention cost more money, labor and time and no customer is going to pay a plus for this! So the cost continues to rise.
Abroad is sooo close.
In other words, if we're a little too expensive, they'll get it elsewhere.
There is nothing wrong with glyphosate!!
What other drug has been on the market for so long?

DDT?

peta 15 December 2017

pretty rude wrote:

All true, but why don't we?
Right, glyphosate is cheaper and works better!!
All the examples you mention cost more money, labor and time and no customer is going to pay a plus for this! So the cost continues to rise.
Abroad is sooo close.
In other words, if we're a little too expensive, they'll get it elsewhere.
There is nothing wrong with glyphosate!!
What other drug has been on the market for so long?

Ho ho effe, More than half of what I call costs nothing, just attentiveness. NKG
is usually even a cost saving!
Read first, think about it and then conclude. I thought they couldn't brainwash you?
Furthermore, I do not know how harmful or not glyphosate is. Just know that leaving out what is not necessary in a construction plan, outside natural processes, therefore certainly does not disturb the equilibrium situation in our expensive soil!

quite coarse 15 December 2017

Okay dude, you have a point there.
But you can already see that we are going to inject more MH in the potatoes to prevent storage
Not a healthy development either, but if glyphosate is banned, even more growers opt for this.
I'm not sure if this is sensible.
I also have a fine stitch in the position, but without stitch 56 they were still in it.
Hoping for a good frost and that in combination with NKG indeed solves a major problem.
But yes, NKG is for drier conditions and does not always work well.

peta 15 December 2017

Look, we agree again, we are often on the same page.
I fully share the concerns about MH use with you.
That is another convenient measure by farmers, the main purpose of which is to increase the turnover of the suppliers! Especially when it comes to storage control!
Farmers must learn to realize that page size fulcolor ads are mainly used for resources that do not sell themselves, so have little added value but a good profit margin for the manufacturer! The proven and effective means are often not advertised or are advertised very small, they sell themselves!

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