Draw will determine

Pot of money for scheme to stop dairy cattle already gone

21 February 2017 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 46 comments

The budget was already exceeded on the first day that the money for the stopping scheme could be called upon. This is announced by the Netherlands Enterprise Agency (RVO). The draw will now determine who will or will not receive money.  

Exceeded an available budget on day

On February 20, the subsidy for the termination of the dairy farm was opened. The question was whether there would be enthusiasm for it and which group would then call on it. It is clear that there was enthusiasm for it, because the available budget was already exceeded on the first day. Now a draw will show who is and who is not in qualify

The stop scheme was one of the ways to bring phosphate production in dairy farming back below the ceiling in 2017. Through this scheme, dairy farmers are encouraged to dispose of the entire herd. It is also a scheme to which all dairy farmers contribute via a contribution to ZuivelNL.   

In the first round, 12 million euros was available, which equates to 1.200 per milk or calf cow removed. Young stock can also be removed per dairy cow. For example, a calf yields 276 euros and a heifer 636 euros. This is followed by 2 more openings, but lower amounts are paid. 

Those who will soon hear that the request to participate has been approved will have 6 weeks to remove the cattle, with the exception of the pregnant cattle. That is, after approval has been issued and not 6 weeks after submission of the application. In total, a dairy farmer has up to 8 weeks after approval to request payment of the subsidy.    

A maximum of 10.000 head of dairy cattle will be removed in the coming weeks. Which means export or to slaughter. 

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46 comments
josef 21 February 2017
This is a response to this article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/melk-voer/ artikel/10873489/Pot-geld-voor-regeling-stoppers-melkvee-al-op-]Pot money for the scheme for stoppers to dairy cattle already available[/url]
And later also be happy that you win this "lotto".
Floris 21 February 2017
Sad case does indicate how farmers are done with farming in the Netherlands
mdb 21 February 2017
All done!
a farmer's wife 21 February 2017
What a mess. Your company in the lottery!! Do they know at the ministry what preceded this and what the consequences are? Do they also know that there is something like emotions involved and that the quitters don't all have dollar signs in their eyes?
Not only does the ministry not know what this means for these farmers, but also one of our foremen of the LTO Wiebren van Stralen apparently does not. For convenience, he compares this to a run on concert tickets. Man you should be ashamed. Pack your bags and leave!
tinus 21 February 2017
do hans, jos, show and kees also join the concert, that would be good news
drees 21 February 2017
I still don't understand that they only have money available for 10.000 cows for the first registration. I thought they hoped that 60.000 cows would participate in the stopper scheme. I also registered myself.
But you do notice that the outsiders (including livestock farmers) do not know what they are talking about, it does something to you, so I wish all the fellow subscribers a lot of wisdom and strength in this uncertain period.
GBK 21 February 2017
I think we will end up with Elbert Dijkgraaf and Jacco Geurts again, the rest have nothing to do with farmers.
tinus 21 February 2017
It's also a bit of fishing Drees

and maybe it's fake news
Henk52 21 February 2017
I really don't understand why the government still thinks along with those spoiled dairy farmers.
Herman 21 February 2017
draw!
Rabobank is certainly there as "notary"
LTO and NMV go and see that this is done fairly and don't let yourself be continuously beeped.
Iron 21 February 2017
Dear people,
so this is where it ends! Will a government ever again receive understanding of the agricultural sector? Our money from Brussels will certainly stay in the bank of that government. Or it is not collected because it could benefit agriculture and horticulture. Or it is wasted on conversations, writing notes and on the investigations that might, could, could change or possibly harm nature. people ATTENTION!! Nature wins this lottery here too. Stop any consultation WE will never be taken seriously again!! As long as people talk about urban areas and rural areas without taking into account that the Netherlands is one country. WE are played out. For money in the pocket of the government and then be doused with pitch. Dairy farmers and all livestock farmers in the agriculture of the Netherlands, Strength!!!
tinus weather 21 February 2017
well seen Herman, especially now that they are going to pay out directly instead of through a fund
Mariska 21 February 2017
Disgraceful how the agricultural sector is treated... too sad for words. The government with its fantastic phosphate plan. What a loser.
Enne Henk52: you shut up, because you really don't understand anything.
Mariska 21 February 2017
Too sad for words how our agricultural sector is treated. The government with its fantastic phosphate plan... What a losers.
Enne Henk52: you just shut up, you really don't understand anything..
Alfons 21 February 2017
How pathetic sad and economical do you have to be to register with this promotion!! Can't you as an entrepreneur just stop yourself and draw your own plan? Man, go do something else with your life when you're ready, and don't sit around waiting for those few rotten cents.
cornelis 21 February 2017
I think that three out of four farmers would rather stop with this policy, consumers can pay double the three
Henk52 21 February 2017
cornelis wrote:
I think that three out of four farmers would rather stop with this policy, consumers can pay double the three


What a bunch of spoiled vultures, all diving for a bait. Mom man they let themselves bezeikuh.
kees 21 February 2017
the civil servants who want to stop have not run out of money
Wim v/d mill 22 February 2017
I don't know what that henk 52 wants, but I probably won't have everything in order I think but to the order of the day everything is said and written but the fun is gone by means of a few dozen cattle farmers who just keep buying cows (lto men) and they screw up the whole sector? I myself am organic and have no derogation but have to sell cows to maintain the derogation have 58 ha of land now 58 mk (8 too many now) do you understand (but a lot of natural land in the ration so 1500 liters per cow dropped so in 2018 is allowed I have 58 cows)
Emi 22 February 2017
1. Selling everything, even if only the land is still very profitable.2. Low Canadian dollar, so reinvest in Canada.3. Continue there with what you intended here.4. New future in a farmer-friendly country.
peter 22 February 2017
I totally agree with Wim v/d Molen. Why shouldn't derogation dairy farmers bleed to keep derogation?, from which they have no financial advantage whatsoever. They even have a disadvantage because of this, because they are allowed to keep fewer cows per hectare! and the market prices of milk, nukas and beef fall due to the more production space of the derogation!!!!!
F. Heidinga 22 February 2017
This entire stopper arrangement is actually a rescue operation for the Rabobank. This is seriously jeopardized if their customers lose the derogation. In part, customers / members are forced to participate in this. So a lottery. The same bank that some time ago had to pay a billion euro fine for criminal activities and the same bank that now has to appear in a US court for laundering Mexican drug money, which was delivered in vans full of cash just over the border in the US. BAH!!
john 22 February 2017
what if you have now indicated to the bank that you want to stop being drawn by lot and still have to continue .. are you still considered full?
Henk52 22 February 2017
Yes, men cow farmers, that's different coffee than "eating" at the subsidy trough.
F. Heidinga 22 February 2017
Henk 52 takes care of the comic emergency here. Very laughable.
arable farmer 23 February 2017
Henk52 wrote:
Yes, men cow farmers, that's different coffee than "eating" at the subsidy trough.


Getting money to quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should try to explain that at a party when there are a lot of SME people around you.

Lived your whole life on a pink cloud and now that it's a few years less, nobody seems to have taken care of themselves
Henk52 23 February 2017
farmer wrote:
Henk52 wrote:
Yes, men cow farmers, that's different coffee than "eating" at the subsidy trough.


Getting money to quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should try to explain that at a party when there are a lot of SME people around you.

Lived your whole life on a pink cloud and now that it's a few years less, nobody seems to have taken care of themselves



100% agree with you. Lived like a king, well that will come to an end. They are strong legs that can carry the wealth. In any case, dairy farming has not succeeded at all. And they just want to continue to attract support.
Subscriber
laa[c 23 February 2017
Bunch of pathetic screamers.
Pieper 24 February 2017
What a bunch of screamers. You as dairy farmers should be ashamed of you. You shout, you really want to be an adult sector, but to this day you are still pampered. And don't come up with stories that you have to work so hard on your farms because that has to be done much more in the agricultural sector. As long as you as dairy farmers consider yourself so pathetic, we as a whole agricultural sector will never be seriously found in The Hague.
bintje 24 February 2017
All sectors around you must always operate in the free market , the only thing is that you know the milk price you are getting but calculating a decent cost price is not an option for 95 percent of the cattle farmers , and indeed you always have their hand over the head yes.
Kees 24 February 2017
A large part of the pot for the stoppers was filled by dairy farmers + a large part was filled by Brussels (was actually to compensate for the low milk price) + a small part of our national government.
The commitment of our government is very minimal.
Henk52; Be aware that the permanent dairy farmers contribute significantly to the stop scheme.
Pieper 24 February 2017
That's not what the discussion is about. The problem of the dairy sector has been discussed in detail in previous reports. And the pity of you as dairy farmers is that the self-knowledge of the sector is minimal and that it seems very naive that people from other sectors have to point out the sore spots. Perhaps a case of looking more in the mirror.
Tino 25 February 2017
Hey beeper you think you really understand it but you make a complete fool of yourself all the money (subsidy) gets away from us we still have a huge pot of super levy money in Brussels and last year For example 30 million of it came back to us dairy farmers with so to support their own money (just like now) then suddenly 10 million went to the pig farmers 10 million to the meadow birds and 10 million was used to keep the cows in the we they run calling every time subsidy they play with our money that bobo s in The Hague 25 million now we are even adding again for the stopper scheme last month already 225 euros withheld from my milk money By dairy.nl and again you hear SUBSIDY the dairy sector so keep its own pants on you better get into it a little better than to act like a screamer
rinus 25 February 2017
Divide money amount by 5 then everyone has something
northerner 26 February 2017
Well, Tino, you don't understand it yourself. The pot of super levy money is money that you have paid because you have not kept the agreements made with regard to the established production (read Quota) in order to artificially keep the market at a higher price level. So that gels does not belong to the dairy farmers. A traffic fine that you pay to The Hague is not your money afterwards, no of course not, that money belongs to Brussels. ! What a ridiculous plan, supporting the milk price because it was at cost price level for 1 year!!! We as arable farmers have never had the low grain price for many years. So yes, there is indeed measured with 2 sizes, bunch of souls, stop your pants yourself and stop with that whining. Only works against you and also against the entire sector.
Tino 26 February 2017
It still remains the case that that pot of money is separate and not of a joint fine, so the stopper scheme does not cost the citizen any money I defend the entire sector here The word subsidy comes out to me on birthdays and parties I have been calling AWAY WITH THE COMPANY SUBMISSIONS AND THE PAYMENT RIGHTS we can do without them now have far too much power over the entire sector rules and more rules and we just bend and you should not just assume that 22000 will be happy with this stopper arrangement because for the largest majority it is a nightmare
Henk52 26 February 2017
Tino wrote:
It still remains the case that that pot of money is separate and not of a joint fine, so the stopper scheme does not cost the citizen any money I defend the entire sector here The word subsidy comes out to me on birthdays and parties I have been calling AWAY WITH THE COMPANY SUBMISSIONS AND THE PAYMENT RIGHTS we can do without them now have far too much power over the entire sector rules and more rules and we just bend and you should not just assume that 22000 will be happy with this stopper arrangement because for the largest majority it is a nightmare


How childish do you think? Do you really think if the company benefits disappear, then the rules will disappear too? The surcharges will be replaced by fines.
Pieper 26 February 2017
Tino, what are you talking about? Now you would like there to be no more support schemes or subsidies, while in the quota era (only two years ago) you have been able to build up and perhaps expand your company for years thanks to European regulations and subsidy pots and now you having to do it yourself the problems come. And now you get the chance to remediate in your sector in a reasonably neat way with community money and now you are going to shout here that it is your own money with which the purchase arrangement has been established. If I were a dairy farmer who did not opt ​​for the purchase scheme, I would certainly feel duped. Because those who stay in your sector are also entitled to that money anyway.
heart 26 February 2017
Tino wrote:
Hey beeper you think you really understand it but you make a complete fool of yourself all the money (subsidy) gets away from us we still have a huge pot of super levy money in Brussels and last year For example 30 million of it came back to us dairy farmers with so to support their own money (just like now) then suddenly 10 million went to the pig farmers 10 million to the meadow birds and 10 million was used to keep the cows in the we they run calling every time subsidy they play with our money that bobo s in The Hague 25 million now we are even adding again for the stopper scheme last month already 225 euros withheld from my milk money By dairy.nl and again you hear SUBSIDY the dairy sector so keep its own pants on you better get into it a little better than to act like a screamer

Oh, that 30 million was all yours too, don't make me laugh man!!
northerner 26 February 2017
Tino wrote:
It still remains the case that that pot of money is separate and not of a joint fine, so the stopper scheme does not cost the citizen any money I defend the entire sector here The word subsidy comes out to me on birthdays and parties I have been calling AWAY WITH THE COMPANY SUBMISSIONS AND THE PAYMENT RIGHTS we can do without them now have far too much power over the entire sector rules and more rules and we just bend and you should not just assume that 22000 will be happy with this stopper arrangement because for the largest majority it is a nightmare
northerner 26 February 2017
It still remains the case that that pot of money is separate and not of a joint fine, so the stopper scheme does not cost the citizen any money I defend the entire sector here The word subsidy comes out to me on birthdays and parties I have been calling AWAY WITH THE COMPANY SUBMISSIONS AND THE PAYMENT RIGHTS we can do without them now have far too much power over the entire sector rules and more rules and we just bend and you should not just assume that 22000 will be happy with this stopper arrangement because for the largest majority it is a nightmare.
Why a nightmare????
They don't force you to use it, you are allowed to use it.
A small company soon has 100 cows + young stock, soon € 150.000 is part of the stopping scheme, a nice present for all those who were already planning to stop. It turns out that most of them are older farmers with no successor who use them. Or they could not yet generate enough money with the sale of the company, so a lot of money ends up in the wrong place, as so often.
There has never been such an arrangement for grain farmers, so don't talk about a nightmare.
The problem is that you are clearly not used to operating in a free market with fluctuating prices, and always assume that you are being held over your head.
northerner 26 February 2017
The above comment is confusing and incorrect.
From the sentence : WHY A NIGHTMARE ???
is my response to Tino
incomprehensible 26 February 2017
alfons wrote:
How pathetic sad and economical do you have to be to register with this promotion!! Can't you as an entrepreneur just stop yourself and draw your own plan? Man, go do something else with your life when you're ready, and don't sit around waiting for those few rotten cents.

where has the money gone from the approximately 25 good milk years, then nobody would have existed in arable farming. Lack of entrepreneurship?
Peters 26 February 2017
That is clear. Money from all those peak years has been invested in toys, namely tractors, machines and much too expensive land. Drawing assistance from payment entitlements and making money with the toys mentioned cannot count on much social appreciation.
Tino 26 February 2017
Haha those arable farmers are so easily burned and good at twisting my words get off this (milk market) site and worry about your own shop you probably got a few bought out dairy farmers as neighbors that would explain a lot but don't shave all over one side
Subscriber
quite coarse 27 February 2017
Every percent exceeding of the quota is 22 million euros for the Netherlands to Brussels, so that 30 million is just a tip from the pot.
2015 : 135 million euros super levy for the Netherlands.
There have been plenty of farmers who deliberately supplied too much milk because then they would have to pay less tax. They're going to cry the loudest right now.
cornee those don't cry huh 27 February 2017
pretty rude wrote:
Every percent exceeding of the quota is 22 million euros for the Netherlands to Brussels, so that 30 million is just a tip from the pot.
2015 : 135 million euros super levy for the Netherlands.
There have been plenty of farmers who deliberately supplied too much milk because then they would have to pay less tax. They're going to cry the loudest right now.

no, they don't cry the loudest because they had LVs on the counting date and can now continue to milk with the exception of a small discount.
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