5 questions for Erik v Grinsven

'I don't understand criticism of the Kringloopwijzer'

2 August 2017 - Sjoerd Hofstee - 20 comments

Different dairy farmers have different business situations. In this summer series, a number of them explain how they view the elaboration of current legislation and regulations, and how they intend to deal with this in their business operations in the coming years. This time it is up to the intensive dairy farmer Erik van Grinsven (48) from Sint-Michielsgestel.

How has your company developed in recent years?
"We now milk more than 250 cows, with 165 young stock, on 90 hectares of sandy soil. This means about 32.500 kilos of milk per hectare. We work without derogation. In 15 years we have gone from 600.000 kilos of milk per year to 2,8, 20 million kilos grown. This by milking about 25 to 295 more cows every year. This year we wanted and should have been at XNUMX cows, but the current regulations are putting a stop to that."

It is still the most economical way of farming

"Intensive farming was not necessarily a conscious choice for us. We took over the company with 27 hectares. It was and is not possible here in Brabant to make big leaps in soil. Moreover, farming with a reasonable degree of intensity is still the The most economical way to farm. You can buy the feed that fits best and work more efficiently. That advantage can be clearly demonstrated via the Kringloopwijzer. I therefore do not understand the criticism of the Kringloopwijzer."

Are you annoyed by colleagues who criticized the Recycling Guide?
"I do indeed. What do many of my colleagues have against that? Now you can show what you have to offer as a dairy farmer, I think. Those who try to undermine the Kringloopwijzer do so purely out of their own interest. "I think they are doing something very stupid for the sector as a whole. That others were born in an area where land is easily available is good for them. We have rowed with the belts we had. And got the most out of it. "Pure economics. How you get used to it, that's what it's about. Dairy farmers are too easily satisfied with earning a little bit."

"I often wonder with many land-bound farmers whether they have ever had an economics lesson at school. It is wonderful to have a large plot of land that is worth capital, but it is only useful if you are between 6 planks. If you have roughage left over or you can't use it, what are you doing? Then you shouldn't complain that you don't earn anything. And certainly don't criticize colleagues who have chosen a different path."

How do you anticipate the future with your own company?
“I was stupid enough not to immediately fill the entire barn before July 2015. Because I was careful with my technical results, I wanted to grow gradually. I hope and expect to regain the efficiency advantage via the Kringloopwijzer, but that remains to be seen. It is possible that we will soon be punished for 1 kilo of phosphate that we do not produce. We currently live in such a strange world. We have not bought anything yet, but soon we will have to buy additional phosphate rights. The stable will have to be full at some point. Renting rights, if that becomes possible, I will not start. That should also be banned. Renting or leasing rights has never made a farmer better."

Growth remains a necessity to maintain income

How do you expect and hope that your company will be in five years' time?
"Despite all the obstacles, I expect to fill the barn and make full use of it. By then probably together with my son Daan. On average, inflation continues to rise by 2,5% annually, so growth remains necessary to maintain income. Investing in The land will probably only become more difficult. The phosphate rights also have to be paid for and you can only spend your money once. You can see it in the milk quota era: barely a barn was built for 1 years, all the money was spent on rights. there is little you can do other than to keep the kilos of milk at the right level or to run it as efficiently as possible. And to optimize the technical results. But I do worry, especially with the current situation in Brabant."

You are critical of politics and some of your colleagues, but are you also critical of sector representatives?
"Certainly, at FrieslandCampina in particular. When I read their recent sustainability proposals, the first thing I think is: how do you manage to choose such an unfortunate moment to announce these plans? We, dairy farmers, have already We have had so much over us, especially in Brabant. I find it unbelievable that the board of FrieslandCampina seems to ignore this. Then you really miss what is going on. Dairy farmers here are completely knocked out. The milk price may be good, but the feeling is that is certainly not at the moment. That is a dangerous development."

"It may still be positive for the pricing of the phosphate rights. I expect that there will be many dairy farmers who will say: just look at it, I'll stop. As far as I'm concerned, FrieslandCampina sets the tone, also towards politics, in the wrong way in the wrong I understand the sustainability story and I also see the importance. But that does not mean that they should and may lock up intensive farmers."

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mixed farmer 2 August 2017
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I totally agree with his criticism of Campina, even making strict demands for years now.
Disagree with the thrift indicator, we have mixed farms, all results in arable farming do not count with the thrift map, who came up with something like that? CAMPINA is a bit of the boss in cow country.
herman 2 August 2017
Oops, the opinion of an intensive dairy farmer who looks condescendingly at a land-based dairy farmer, why so divisive.
Peters 2 August 2017
This man will never have taken a single economics lesson himself, because then he would have left Brabant long ago. Agrees with his criticism of the whiners who have inherited a lot of land from Dad (read for an apple and an egg).
Jan 2 August 2017
Mixed Farmer:
Kringloopwijzer also includes arable farming companies and this should improve even further. We also have a mixed company and everything is included in that.
Herman: I don't think this farmer looks condescendingly at a land-based dairy farmer, but makes use of the options that are available. Farmers in Brabant generally calculate better. Why? Because they have to with poorer and yet (much) more expensive soil. If you are less than 25
herman 2 August 2017
Economy is supplying what there is demand for , economy is not producing and hoping that there is demand for it ( by the way , there is no sign anywhere in the Netherlands that we must feed the world ) . Times (demand) change and this farmer is now also finding out, only for him there is no turning back (that's why he hides behind inflation (hardly any inflation in recent years).
three pint 2 August 2017
Dear Mr van Grinsven,

you are also aware that you have been allocated a phosphate production that you did not have at all on 2 july? This is because the phosphate rights were distributed at a fixed rate, while you were probably already working very efficiently at the time. As long as we live in a world that distributes phosphate rights to phosphate production that never existed, we will also continue to live in a world that punishes on the basis of a kilogram of phosphate that never existed. I assume that you are not partially surrendering your lump-sum entitlements?

You want to fill your barn with as little cost as possible, while your soil-bound colleagues want to apply their own manure to their own land. We have to figure that out together. This means that extensive may have to embrace the KLW to give you the space, while intensive must give up to give the extensive farmer the opportunity to utilize his latent space. Frankly, I think you need the extensive colleague more than the other way around. Being a little less judgmental would help you achieve your goal
sober 2 August 2017
These kinds of discussions are often more about how it will benefit my wallet than about whether something really contributes to the goal.
The large intensive farmers are fine with everything as long as it provides development space for the company or makes the removal of manure cheaper. The land-based or mixed companies only have a lot of extra administration.
farmer 2 August 2017
Dear fellow livestock farmers, when will we finally realize that we have to adapt to the consumer instead of the other way around. I see it around me in our mixed (agricultural-non-agricultural) circle of friends. Even there, as a grazing dairy farm with 200 cows, we increasingly have to defend ourselves. And friends become vegetarians or flexitarians and renounce dairy despite their contacts with a farmer... Dairy farming in NL will have to change course, no matter how difficult and painful it is, otherwise we will all miss the train. I have not yet found the columbus egg, but I am happy with the involvement of FrieslandCampina. Standing still is dying...
KLW! 2 August 2017
Naturally, an intensive livestock farmer scores better with the KLW because the losses made elsewhere due to fertilizer disposal and feed purchase on other land are not included in the KLW!
The KLW has also been developed as an instrument to show where a company stands and not to settle a company. (just ask the inventor)
once 2 August 2017
Agree with van Grinsven, except for the criticism regarding FC. It is FC's job to remain market-oriented. Okay, the timing of the introduction of the sustainability program is a bit rude. I would have preferred LTO to receive strong criticism. Apparently it suits the LTO administrators (because they are also just farmers) that a land-based requirement is coming our way. Land-basedness is the toy of left-wing politics. Why is the neighbor's land no longer suitable to function as a land-based bond? Because it is not listed on the combi. task! That's insane.
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blocky country 3 August 2017
I don't know in the long run whether that earned more with a lot of stones than with a lot of land????!!
Disagree 3 August 2017
Including the neighbor's land in the combined assignment is just crazy. This has been done in Brabant for years, resulting in intensive livestock farming as it is today. And congratulations, Brabant is backing down, farmers are complaining and the entire image of the sector is in ruins. No, if you want cows you just have to make sure you have bunkers. Then everything suddenly works better; feed from own land and manure on own land. Are you a lot more independent, also from the government
jpk 3 August 2017
In every war there are soldiers left
I hope many soldiers remain
jpk 3 August 2017
In every war there are soldiers left
I hope many soldiers remain
peter 3 August 2017
@ farmer's wife,

You still don't understand how it works with consumers. if there is scarcity there is a market and if there is abundance there is no market you want to push your product down the throat of the consumer but this does NOT work.
If RFC wants to become sustainable then have the members stop feeding the animals rubbish (fats for extra fat in milk), spray grassland with tons of poison and then buy minerals! and for example soya, from South America or Africa (how much fuel oil per ship has gone into the air and how many forests have been cut down for this?) this is the cycle indicator (sustainability program rfc). If you just produce 7000 liters of milk per cow from grass and maize, then you don't have to explain anything to the consumer. THE consumer is happy that he gets a little GOOD MILK because there is a scarcity! Why are the so-called SIZE boys protected by rfc (afraid of RABO etc.) with belittling the little ones, because whether I milk 10 cows or 1000 cows the sustainability program of, for example, animal health service are equally expensive for small and large so size boys keep taking advantage of the backs of the little ones!!! as a result, exploiting animals and producing more per animal by producing so-called phosphate more efficiently. And then not being able to get rid of the excess milk produced and the farmer's wife will still doubt herself how crazy is that!!??
peter 3 August 2017
@ farmer's wife,

You still don't understand how it works with consumers. if there is scarcity there is a market and if there is abundance there is no market you want to push your product down the throat of the consumer but this does NOT work.
If RFC wants to become sustainable then have the members stop feeding the animals rubbish (fats for extra fat in milk), spray grassland with tons of poison and then buy minerals! and for example soya, from South America or Africa (how much fuel oil per ship has gone into the air and how many forests have been cut down for this?) this is the cycle indicator (sustainability program rfc). If you just produce 7000 liters of milk per cow from grass and maize, then you don't have to explain anything to the consumer. THE consumer is happy that he gets a little GOOD MILK because there is a scarcity! Why are the so-called SIZE boys protected by rfc (afraid of RABO etc.) with belittling the little ones, because whether I milk 10 cows or 1000 cows the sustainability program of, for example, animal health service are equally expensive for small and large so size boys keep taking advantage of the backs of the little ones!!! as a result, exploiting animals and producing more per animal by producing so-called phosphate more efficiently. And then not being able to get rid of the excess milk produced and the farmer's wife will still doubt herself how crazy is that!!??
@editors 3 August 2017
"how you turn it" is not the same as "how you turn it".
Erik means the 2nd but it will turn out to be the 1st because something is going to change.
Sook 3 August 2017
I don't understand this farmer Erik that he doesn't understand IT!!!
pl 3 August 2017
I certainly agree with Erik. You can use the figures from KLW to further optimize what we as ''Agrarisch Nederland'' are already perfectly leading the way in, given the ABN report. Well, the time of communication from campina is certainly not good, even though we knew in the spring that something was coming again. But given the irresponsible ill-considered decisions by Brabant, which can sometimes kill many family businesses, it might also be good for Campina to keep control in hand to come up with proposals that are workable for all members. All in all a good piece that will get more reaction
if 4 August 2017
Sir thinks too much economically , that is not sustainable in the long term and unsustainable . If it were my company, I would think more broadly.
Josh van Vonderen 4 August 2017
People also learn nothing from each other.****

First it was the greenhouse growers who were cut and shaved. (washer bombs)
Then it was the turn of the laying poultry farmers. (cage-egg ban) *
Then the pig farmers who were allowed on the beet bridge in 1997.**
At the beginning of this century, it was again the cattle farmers who had to deal with the chunks of FMD.***
*Then got to deal with bird flu, exploding chicken and now fidronil.
**Then got hit on the following; 4 day requirement, piglet loss, (declared an inquisition in Brabant!) ammonia policy and finally the fire safety policy is already being prepared.
***Had to deal with dehorning calves, separating calf and cow, grazing and land-bound.

****Look where the greenhouse growers are now and let them consider how they got out of that crisis. Learn from that! (It is the prelude to scaling up. And if we all don't want that, maybe we can learn a lesson in how to do it differently.)

If this is not done, we continue to talk in a circle and everyone tries to reinvent the wheel. And can I already predict that the next crisis will be:

Chickens are undesirable because of excessive emissions of particulate matter and the danger of ESBL.

Pigs are a hotbed for Hepatitis E, a lot of animal suffering from fires and there are too many free raiders around who do what they want.

Dairy cattle will not achieve the desired grazing, they have to make a financial loss by no longer obtaining derogation and as a solution they come up with dangerous digesters.
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