Responses to parliamentary questions

'Phosphate questions Lodders real, but too late'

4 December 2017 - Wouter Baan - 19 comments

The parliamentary questions that Helma Lodders (VVD) asked on Friday 1 December about the tradability of phosphate rights are causing a lot of confusion. Various advocates agree with Lodders, but find the call a bit late. LTO prefers no supervision.

Harm Wiegersma, chairman of the Dutch Dairy Farmers' Union (NMV), endorses Lodders' questions. An overheated phosphate rights market is a threat to the cost price position of Dutch dairy farming. "The prices of about €8.000 per cow are unhealthily high. You don't have cost-increasing phosphate rights abroad like we have."

Wiegersma finds it remarkable and significant at the same time that the objections come from a liberal party. According to Wiegersma, there have been discussions in the past about a regulated phosphate bank. "Maybe that's something to get the market more transparent." 

Lack of direction from the government

In addition, Wiegersma believes that clearing production rights, in combination with a warm remediation of pig farming, can provide a solution for the phosphate surplus in dairy farming.

'Making the market transparent'
Sieta van Keimpema, chairman of the Dutch Dairymen Board (DDB), speaks of a remarkable move to ask these questions at '5 to 12'. Certainly because the VVD is not in favor of regulation in the case of free lease. Van Keimpema: "The fact that this discussion still has to be had is a sign of a lack of direction on the part of the government. It means that many questions are asked."

Van Keimpema, on the other hand, sometimes agrees with Lodders. That is why she advocates a phosphate grant. A central platform where phosphate rights can be traded at a fixed time, just like the milk quota in Germany and Denmark used to be traded. "That way the market becomes more transparent and a realistic picture probably leads to more realistic prices."

Do not skim lease rights
Van Keimpema also argues in favor of not skimming lease rights. "The skimming of lease rights probably drives up the price," said van Keimpema. Dairy farmers should not be held back from leasing or leasing rights. "Nobody benefits if the phosphate space goes unused."

Van Keimpema is also in favor of the separation of animal rights. The DDB chairman believes that there is a task for the Ministry of Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality to create clarity. According to Van Keimpema, there is still nothing at all and it remains ominously quiet in The Hague. 

A seller is now wiser than a buyer

Market forces
Wil Meulenbroeks, chairman of the dairy farming department at LTO Nederland, finds Lodders' questions astonishing. Meulenbroeks says that LTO is not in favor of structural measures by the government, because governments succeed each other over time. Meulenbroeks also thinks that the price is currently too high. "A seller is smarter than a buyer at the moment", is the opinion of Meulenbroeks.

Nevertheless, the chairman argues in favor of market forces. "When the pig rights were introduced, they were also expensive in the first year. Later, the buyers ran into themselves and left a quarter of the price." According to Meulenbroeks, there is a contingency arrangement for excessive cases. Grower and stopper can also find each other without the intervention of a commission agent or broker.

LTO is also against the separation of production rights. "Within the different departments of LTO we respect each other's space and we are against separation."

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Wouter Job

Wouter Baan is editor-in-chief of Boerenbusiness. He also focuses on dairy, pig and meat markets. He also follows (business) developments within agribusiness and interviews CEOs and policymakers.
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Jona 4 December 2017
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LTO at the mouth of Meulenbroek does not believe that regulation should be introduced, but that the price of the phosphate rights is high. Bit of a bipartisan mister LTO!!. Letting go to a bunch of cowboys in the trade in phosphate rights leads to prices that are too high, read a price that is not realistic for the dairy farmer.....
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Glass 4 December 2017
I sometimes explode from that LTO!
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Ronnie 4 December 2017
LTO shame on you. For many (including members) decompartmentalization is a solution.
Please respect the opinion of the majority. Just cast a vote among all your members (including POV). Given the importance, this is fair and respectful. And let's settle for the result. Or are there sometimes directors with their own interests?
milks 4 December 2017
amazing how little vision and sense such a lto male has. apparently never bought milk quota himself. and has no idea how prices are established. That can but then not see the importance of their supporters. they should do everything they can to keep the price of phosphate rights low. But apparently she doesn't care. the lto male will want to stop himself soon and hopes to be able to cash in his rights for a lot of money. sad deeply sad. it would be your advocate
three teat 5 December 2017
As a sector, we have only one interest and that is the lowest possible cost price. Otherwise we can stop. With this phosphate thing we are increasing our cost price in a terrible way.

We will therefore have to do everything we can to keep the price of phosphate rights under control. If a phosphate judge has to come before that, we should do that.

We all know how trading went in the quota era and how traders played with the market.

Now we can arrange it in advance. Central trading, and escaping the different sectors.

Otherwise we will be done milking in the Netherlands in 10 years
yopke 5 December 2017
lowest possible cost????
don't make me laugh! new barns have been built for €8000-10000 per cow with entire canteens and offices above the milking parlor and whatnot.Milk quota bought for super high prices.En accept that no more cows come here in the Netherlands. So the shot isn't out.
But it is certain that this regulation will be a plus for the milk price in the future.
Van t Riet 5 December 2017
Guys, what are we complaining about. We just had a present of 17 billion euros.

Tell me a faster way of increasing your equity. It is the most beautiful Sinterklaas gift you can think of.

First I had nothing, and now I'm 8 tons richer. Delicious.

Politicians have been thinking for a long time what they would give us dairy farmers.
At first Van Dam thought of a one-way trip to ruin, but then political pressure arose.
We need to give these hard-working farmers something that makes it easy for them to live.
A big gift, so they stop with that leaf.
You know what we do, we give them all a million!

Greetings Saint and Carola
Dijkstra 5 December 2017
haha nice poem.

I think the VVD has a point here. Apparently no one else thought about this. Having trade run centrally via RVO is a good starting point.

We've got enough yard-trespassers who want to eat from us. Cost control is important to survive in the future.
bacon steak 5 December 2017
Swap about 1 percent of pig rights to dairy cattle for 10 year, and the cold is gone
beef cattle 5 December 2017
LTO is against clearing production rights, so why didn't you make a case for the beef cattle farmers? Beef cattle has been a shrinking market for years and will now be absorbed more quickly by dairy farming. I thought LTO was for the stayers, apparently for the quitters and the dairy farmers.
The phosphate rights will mean that the beef farmers disappear and the landscape becomes bare. Thank you
Jan Veltkamp 5 December 2017
The government should not interfere in anything because it only provides extra rules. Why then shout that the government should have intervened?
geert 5 December 2017
It's already a run! Everyone grumbles, but there is no more solution!
peter 5 December 2017
it should be possible to lease phosphate rights without creaming off! Farmers are NOT PRISONERS!!!!
peter 5 December 2017
it should be possible to lease phosphate rights without creaming off! Farmers are NOT PRISONERS!!!!
doubtful 5 December 2017
have them apply the bird watcher's plan properly clean up the pig sector and reduce the manure surplus because 50% of the manure goes to soil-bound
but yes POV and LTO will be through their own interests and not looking at what the majority are actually against
when public discussion or vote on this topic
I'm done with stuff that only thinks of itself
leonardo2 6 December 2017
van t riet 8 tons richer minus 10 percent is 7,2 tons minus 52 percent wealth tax is 345600 euros you can still do well with t riet hoppaaa!!! who's Santa Claus here!!!!
Van t Riet 6 December 2017
leonardo2 wrote:
van t riet 8 tons richer minus 10 percent is 7,2 tons minus 52 percent wealth tax is 345600 euros you can still do well with t riet hoppaaa!!! who's Santa Claus here!!!!



You can calculate pretty well, but before the phosphate rights came I had nothing :):):):):):):)

lalalalalalalalalalalalala,

Van Dam thanks, van dam thanks, van dam, van dam, van dam thanks.

We have never had such a good one, such a good one we have never had!

The LTO that's a good one, LTO that's a good one!
leonardo2 6 December 2017
van t riet ai nothing have cue ok sell nothing liekt mien!!!!!!
ard 7 December 2017
LTO ,I would be ashamed to belong to this club,
quickly add 2 to 2015 cows to your name before 70 July 100, and then say that these measures are perfectly feasible for farmers.
yes..... : insider trading ; great injustice !!!
Mn 7 December 2017
That's right, those lto men quickly filled the stable. These also need to be addressed (prior knowledge).
And as far as production rights are concerned, simply do not buy any extra kg in January. Those brokers just drive up the price. Do not let them get to you!!!
Milk price will fall for sure in 2018. farmers outside NL can produce cheaper, we are pricing ourselves out of the market! †
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