Boerenbusiness Poll

Do you have to dispose of extra livestock after disposal?

16 January 2018 - Esther de Snoo - 30 comments

Monday 15 January was the final date on which the decision for phosphate rights was sent out from the Netherlands Enterprise Agency (RVO.nl). Have all dairy farmers received the decision and what are the consequences? This is what the Boerenbusiness Poll, consisting of 3 questions.

The Netherlands has approximately 18.056 farms with dairy and calf cows. To ensure that dairy cattle phosphate production remains below the phosphate ceiling, the phosphate rights system will be introduced on 1 January 2018 and a generic discount (8,3%) will be applied to the phosphate rights allocated per farm. However, fully land-based companies are not cut.

According to the government's planning, the majority of dairy farmers should have the phosphate rights available in the box. The deadline for this was Monday, January 15, 2018. Have you received the decision from RVO? The questions below are about this. 

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hans 16 January 2018
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Nice poll to give the phosphate rights traders a handle and a nice commission.
as youthful 16 January 2018
oe 60% has to dispose of dairy cows. But quickly buy additional phosphate rights before prices skyrocket.
ae 16 January 2018
of the 62%, 42% need to dispose of less than 10 cows. soss. it's not that bad.. it's best to just stay calm.
Lute 16 January 2018
How so? You MUST not buy phosphate, do you?
What's the point of trading here? I also have to give up a lot, but I'm not going to buy..... certainly not for prices that only increase your cost price....
NT 16 January 2018
remove animals LU now pay fines for lower milk price
thanks to LTO who didn't want a squeeze arrangement for investors
have fun farming how much longer
Gerard 16 January 2018
Oh, surprising statement, weren't you the one who always said that land-based companies with a lot of latent space shouldn't whine but just buy some rights.
Kallum an 16 January 2018
Just had a load of heifers yanked last week, now gas
NT 16 January 2018
NO, was not land-bound then
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mdb 16 January 2018
Find another 5 top heifers.
jpk 17 January 2018
Livestock farmers only look if they can milk more cows never to whether the business can be continued
ae 17 January 2018
jpk wrote:
Livestock farmers only look if they can milk more cows never to whether the business can be continued

Fortunately, I was able to convince my children to NEVER not become farmers. The fourth generation then stops. Investing in Dutch agriculture is a destruction of capital. Just look at the Pulse fishing today. Was better for the environment, progressive. And now???
piet 17 January 2018
Companies that have not expanded in recent years must now invest in Phosphate rights (air !!) again in order to keep the number of livestock they always had. And have not contributed to exceeding the phosphate ceiling. It does, however, increase the cost. It is a conscious move by the government like so many measures that have been taken before. Livestock farming will and must be destroyed in the Netherlands!! Make a pot of 75 million available for encouraging farmers to become farmers. Sleepyheads there in The Hague!!
Mn 17 January 2018
Phosphate receipts are falling like a brick, if the milk farmers don't buy anything, if they don't buy, the prices will drop even faster! †
geert 17 January 2018
dairy farming has now become modern slavery, the bank and the minister are the bosses, you have to take care of milk in the tank and regularly get a bank man at the kitchen table to see if you are doing it right
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mdb 17 January 2018
If that's how you experience it, you should stop doing it right away.

If a bank muppep from Lindelaan comes to ask for your explanation, come on.

Take care of being "boss" on your own property.
Otherwise you have sunk too far!!!
Mn 18 January 2018
Phosphate rights are already at €177,- has already fallen quite a bit within 1 week, they will fall even further, because there is a LOT of phosphate rights for sale on quota.nl and what is not for sale at the brokers
And wherever there is too much of it, the prices will go down.
So no phosphate rights for the first few months, so many farmers stop. Dairy farming is going to shit in no time .politics in The Hague wake up
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mdb 18 January 2018
Just don't buy that hot smell!

There is still a lot of offer from stoppers, you don't want to know that.
And the growers will never get it financed!
ae 19 January 2018
Mn wrote:
Phosphate rights are already at €177,- has already fallen quite a bit within 1 week, they will fall even further, because there is a LOT of phosphate rights for sale on quota.nl and what is not for sale at the brokers
And wherever there is too much of it, the prices will go down.
So no phosphate rights for the first few months, so many farmers stop. Dairy farming is going to shit in no time .politics in The Hague wake up


Well, there aren't that many when you read that 79 million rights are registered with the Rvo. on quota.nu there are around 50.000 pieces.. ;)
Mn 19 January 2018
Just ask the brokers there is more than enough phosphate rights for sale how much do you want?
peter 19 January 2018
Dear MN
you know how to talk the price down but what happens to the (hot air) BITCOIN?
Mn 19 January 2018
peter wrote:
Dear MN
you know how to talk the price down but what happens to the (hot air) BITCOIN?


Bitcoin will continue to disappear phosphate rights within 5 years does not work.
Mn 19 January 2018
Bitcoin will stay. Phosphate rights will be gone within 5 years. Does not work
Mn 19 January 2018
And the bitcoin is worldwide and phosphate rights is only in Holland. Make those phosphate rights worldwide, then those foreigners will think we are crazy. But that is not at all a comparison of phosphate rights with bitcoins EA
Thomas 20 January 2018
Going in the same direction as then with milk quota, those who bought in the beginning are best off.
borderline case 20 January 2018
compared to the milk quota, the phosphate rights are (still) dirt cheap. it was then leased for 0,26 with a milk yield of 0,27 :-). I don't know either but I'm not selling anything at the moment, expect them to cost at least 150% next year from now, maybe 4% in 250 years. This year I will either use them myself by buying young stock in the expectation that it will become more expensive or I will graze young stock for someone else.....
Mn 20 January 2018
Borderline dream on. Times were completely different with the milk quota than now, when there were many more farmers who bought quota to grow. And now most farmers have plenty of dairy cattle. And nowadays too many people depend on agriculture, everything has become much more expensive, think of manure removal, wage workers, compound feed, contractors. etc.
Many more farmers stop, so phosphate rights are reduced by 50%.
Thomas 21 January 2018
What nonsense, the last few years of the milk quota has never been bought so much. Add to that the fact that interest rates have never been this low now, plus that many dairy farms have grown significantly after 2 July 2015.
Mn 21 January 2018
That's just the big farms that have grown, but the farmers that have always farmed normally who started from the bottom (and didn't get laid). Who worked really hard with the whole family to keep the farm going companies will no longer buy EXPENSIVE PHOSPHATE RIGHTS for that high price. They will no longer get into debt (don't want to become a servant to the bank and milk factory anymore)
But from those farms there will be a lot of quitters in the next 10 years. HOLLAND IS STILL SCARED OF THAT.
peter 21 January 2018
Would you think Mn, Holland bang? for politicians and multinationals we farmers are just rats nothing more and nothing less! Did they order too many!!
peter 21 January 2018
fight with rules, obligations, MUST, etc. If they have too few young farmers, they start by scattering small amounts of subsidy, just look at the young agricultural subsidy, putting a pittance on the drip for you
peter 21 January 2018
And those farmers "rats" in the Netherlands are too expensive, then the food comes from the east there, everything is allowed against starvation wages (legally exploiting) the politics in Brussels does not close treaties with these countries for nothing!
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