Anger is great among dairy farmers

Marleen 12 February 2018

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Fortunately no trouble. But I can hope that RVO (minister) will apologize via the NOS/RTL so that this becomes clear to the citizens? Because now you don't hear the news..

jeanette on 12 February 2018

900 calves were wrongly taken, this is not in proportion to many individual farmers who have made 1 unintentional administrative error. Who is the fraud here now?

B.shorten 12 February 2018

Huge anger and stress here too.
to have rejected twins in June
and a heifer which rejected the fruit and started milking that was in April..

and now try to call rvo but never get anyone on the line so don't know what to do now ..grrrr

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Bob 12 February 2018

Something completely different, cow Hermien in a tether stable, is that possible with sponsoring from the animal protection??

andre vw 12 February 2018

It doesn't bother me either, but I know from experience that a problem not caused by your own hands causes a lot of trouble.
I now proceed as follows, if a supplier of a service has not done something right, I have him confirm this in writing. We as farmers are far too easy-going, we have to cover ourselves more and also arrange liability in advance of a delivery or service.

Annie 12 February 2018

Members of Parliament Jaco Geurts and Helma Lodders want a debate with the cabinet about I&R fraud as a result of this unrest. If all affected dairy farmers who are locked up provide their will with substantiated information.
jgeurts@tweedekamer.nl
I think this is the way to go in this regard.
Image damage is so great, it makes you sad. But it's no different. I try to explain it well in my own environment.
Eline Vedder does that very well by the way.

Just get back to work and let it blow, everything will blow over again. No one can live without food.

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Dirk 12 February 2018

You are all very angry, especially at RVO/NVWA.
But isn't it the case that the actual cause of everything is out of sight for you, namely the phosphate reduction plan that was put into effect for 2017? And that the reason for this phosphate reduction plan was the explosive growth of a considerable group of us, as a result of which the phosphate ceiling was exceeded with all possible costs. consequences. With a bit of perspective, you will have to face the fact that the ultimate cause must be sought within our own ranks and not the government, which now has to clear up rubble. And it has to start somewhere. And then it may well happen that livestock farmers are blocked, which later turns out to be incorrect. These are the side effects of a large-scale investigation. I can imagine something with that and there really is no need to make a lot of noise about it. The Minister is doing very well in this regard. Fine.

Ton Westgeest 12 February 2018

Yes but complaining Annie? At the Liberal Party?? Even as corrupt as the country they are now going to get back from the EU...I think it makes little sense.
I think we better complain to Lubach!
When you see how, for example, that poison scandal is hidden under the rug. Opstelten, Vonhof, and Smit-Kroes who was dating the waste processor. If you see how easily they lie Zijlstra about Putin and Rutte about everything.....
Then I fear the worst for our sector

Ton Westgeest 12 February 2018

Dear Dirk, I think everything is out of sight with you. Most colleagues have nothing to do with the cause did not want the quota gone and have not even grown.

The cause lies with, I say it again, the dairies, LTO, the government, the banks and the cowboys among us and no one else.

Stupid people at these agencies did not intervene in time when it quickly became visible. Nothing has been done, it all worked out well for them!
Just like with the banking crisis, the question of blame is not asked when something goes wrong and then the cause becomes out of sight for people like you.

But not with me!!!

sandals 12 February 2018

Dirk,
There are a lot of dairy farmers in the Netherlands that are "infallible", that is to say that they do not make any mistakes.
and there are dairy farmers in the Netherlands who make 0,01% errors; perhaps due to crowds, stress, confusion, at least by accident and these are being chased to the scaffold as fraudsters by the government and its own association.
I think that all dairy farming in the Netherlands is doing its job at a very high level.
Perhaps there are external parties that have an interest in making us black.

Jandijkstra 12 February 2018

Can I make a comparison!!
If the judiciary wrongly locks a suspected criminal in jail, you will also BLOCK his freedom.
If it turns out that this is wrong, you can file a claim for deprivation of liberty.
And if you have been wrongly convicted, or have been publicly pilloried, you will also be paid compensation.
Even if you have been incorrectly named as a suspect in a video clip in public.
A judge often applies a reduced sentence if it has been a less serious offense than assumed. Because your immaculate blanc has been violated with the film.
As a precaution, people always speak of a suspect, because you are only convicted as a criminal or lawbreaker if the facts are proven.
Here the ENTIRE sector is put on the kicker in advance by reporting that DE Boeren are committing fraud!!!. ..Are Boers a different race???????.
Even K… You can no longer say Moroccans and Negerzoenen, then you will get a trial for public defamation.
Try this with members of a Motorcycle Club, and they will litigate again with a lawyer for legal inequality. For free freedom of membership in an association.
Is now also settled with this measurement for the settlement of SMART MONEY???????.
With some googling, the fraudsters with name and company are publicly known,
Then go and defend yourself with your innocence, eg the media, even to the RVO, with evidence to be provided yourself.!!!!!
In our legal system, JUSTITE does the investigation, and the suspect pays for this investigation???
I thought NOT.
In the Mining Act, the evidence for the earthquake cause has also been reversed, that the injured person as a single person does not have to prove proof of innocence. Own burden of proof is also obsolete here.
If the VW group had to prove its innocence, its cheating software is also turned OFF when testing the emissions of the emissions results.!!!!
I think this is a challenge for the lawyers.
Of course, it is beyond dispute that the real conscious bunglers will receive a conviction.

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Dirk 12 February 2018

Sandals, there is no excuse for mistakes, you can always mend. You can't blame anyone else for that. It's a matter of working accurately and not letting things run its course [matter of upbringing]. As for your last sentence, you mustn't see ghosts, you mustn't be so suspicious and always look for something behind it [which isn't], a lot of suggestion.
It's a shame that everything and everyone is blown up so much

of platings 12 February 2018

Jan Dijkstra, I thought you had so much life experience by now that you should know that judges are just as corrupt as that whole robbery. Furthermore, I have been saying for years that they are always ready for others in this pathetic country with the money pouch (Moroccans, Greeks, Africans, etc.) but always kick their own people into the ground (Groningen, and now the farmers, see also the fipronil affair , which is reimbursed in Belgium, for example).

shoemakers1 12 February 2018

also the water damage due to willfully poor maintenance in 2016 in Brabant

Ohh 13 February 2018

@Dirk In many cases no mistake has been made. A heifer that rejected the calf never had to be declared in the I&R system. As a result, a pinkie does not become a cow. No problem in the past, until RVO started using the I&R system to enforce the phosphate reduction plan. The system was/is not sufficient there. Also not designed for.
There have also been hitches in communication between I&R and management programs/rendac. You send everything neatly, but behind the scenes something goes wrong. Then it's not too bad if you miss something.
The calving date is also not included when importing heifers. If you then send all documents to RVO, they must add the calving date. Also doesn't always happen.

These are just a few examples that the farmer can hardly be blamed for. It is about time before the i&r system is updated to meet current applications.

Furthermore, farmers have also been blocked where everything is fine, but more than 6% have twins or heifers of 27 months or older. It's hard to stop more twins. And there is a large group of farmers who have incubated heifers later, so that they only calved in January when phosphate rights are bought.

If you omit these cases, I'm already wondering how many are left. Certainly if you then also deduct the farmers who made an administrative error from the 2100 farmers. My suspicion is that there will not be many real fraudsters left. Of course, they need to be dealt with harshly.

Annie 13 February 2018

RVO really does not have the administration in order. Our son-in-law and daughter: at least always 80 cows in milk. Administrative changes have been made. He has taken over the company. A year later in partnership. In 2017, a neighbor's company bought a third of phosphate rights.
Last week they received their phosphate decision from RVO. 0 phosphate rights. Because?
You can fill it in.
Administration not in order?

The stress is back...
A third party is working on it. Because after three quarters of an hour of calling and from jantje to pietje people don't know.

Fortunately, daughter and son-in-law have kept their paper file and on the PC
Their evidence.

And so also their story to Jaco Geurts. and through social media. Because that's the least. Long live social media sometimes. People figure things out pretty quickly.

surrogate 13 February 2018

Dirk,
you didn't have to look for anything behind the iron curtain.
And yet many people were behind it involuntarily.

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