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More time needed for phosphate rights system

31 August 2018 - Herma van den Pol - 32 comments

"More time is needed to justify the annual phosphate ceiling", according to Netwerk Grondig. That is why they ask Minister Carola Schouten (Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality) for a leniency period. It is now the case that the phosphate accounting must be completed by the end of December.

About 18% of Dutch dairy farmers are uncertain about their position with regard to the phosphate rights system. Network Thorough indicates that at least half of the dairy farmers (out of 6.000 objections submitted) have not yet received a response." There is also a group for which it is still uncertain whether they fall under the shortage regulation or not.

leniency period for accountability phosphate
"The dairy farmers have no influence on the timeline of the processes," says Netwerk Grond. The representative's proposal is therefore also to maintain a leniency period after December 31, 2018. Now the Fertilizers Act states that those who are unable to justify their annual ceiling at the end of 2018 are committing an economic offence. "The introduction of the phosphate rights ensures chaos and uncertainty on the farm."

Not only does Network Thorough argue for leniency in 2019, but they also ask for a permanent margin of 5%. "With livestock, it is virtually impossible and unworkable to match exactly the number of cattle (especially the productive dairy cows) with the exact number of phosphate rights."

Skim lease rights
The summer is now over and the phosphate rights system is once again under the magnifying glass. For example, LTO Nederland is asking for a quick decision about canceling the creaming off of lease rights. Several politicians also requested this by means of a motion.

However, on Wednesday 28 August, the spokesman van Schouten know that this will not be discussed in September, but maybe LTO Netherlands can speed things up.

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Herman van den Pol

Herma van den Pol has been with us since 2011 Boerenbusiness and has developed over the years into a market expert Milk & Feed. In addition, she can be seen weekly in the market flash about the dairy market.

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Not growing 31 August 2018
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I think every dairy farmer has known for 3 years where they stand.
I hope there will be no delay
tttt 31 August 2018
Certainly no delay... everyone has known for a while what it is like

In the last quarter everyone will be whining like little children come on.

Tackling and tackling instead of ZEIKEN
Bert 31 August 2018
It would not be nice for anyone who has bought rights or has adhered to the numbers properly to turn the whole thing upside down after 8 months of implementation.
I hope the minister keeps his leg tight and doesn't change anything.
Leasing or leasing without creaming should be possible, but then at a high 10% of the total number of rights.
Bert 31 August 2018
I mean leasing without creaming
dairy farmer 31 August 2018
Dairy farmers who do not take anything into account should not be rewarded.
has 31 August 2018
there are always entrepreneurs who do not yet know where they stand. And that uncertainty is very gnawing because those entrepreneurs have been relegated to a case. Thanks to politicians and advocates.
you can read from the comments that you are not covered, otherwise the tone would have been different.
tttt 31 August 2018
That's right

And that is a conscious choice on my part!

By acting stupid, and/or gambling, they go to the casino!

This is making conscious choices, and then stand as a big man for the consequences, both positive and negative.

And don't go whining for the last 3 months that there is no time.

We are not like a bunch of teenagers or school
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Dirk 31 August 2018
tem wrote:
there are always entrepreneurs who do not yet know where they stand. And that uncertainty is very gnawing because those entrepreneurs have been relegated to a case. Thanks to politicians and advocates.
you can read from the comments that you are not covered, otherwise the tone would have been different.


It's the same everywhere, they don't give each other the light in the eyes.
Huug 31 August 2018
Tttt and Bert you are not aware of what is going on because beforehand there was no discussion about rights but about derogation THAT had to stay no matter what happened while everyone has known for 25 years that derogation does not last. Keeping ruminants in other branches may be expanded without restriction, how hypocritical can you be as a government. It's all about the system and it rattles from all sides because the topics you mention are only secondary. I hope this system explodes soon and goes more to the land-based, but I am afraid that this will not happen and if it continues we will be here longer than the milk quota from then
Bob 31 August 2018
Phosphate rights is nothing more than the right to produce, so stop whining whether you are land-bound or not.
Everyone must dispose of manure responsibly
Karel 31 August 2018
There is still too much milk on the market (partly caused by farmers who do not yet adhere to the number of allocated phosphate rights)
Let the fines that will be handed out later flow back to those who adhere to the rules of the game, then they will also be compensated in the milk price!
Wim v/d mill 2 September 2018
Why all these reactions when you don't even know what happened to those farmers? Afraid you'll have to give up something again? there are way too many (growers, grabs, bigger and owners) livestock farmers who don't give each other anything anymore
so much opposition in the same sector which I think is the problem that one has 100 cows on 20 ha and THAT IS ALLOWED ??????? and another has built 100 cows with 80 ha of land and a BIGGER barn and has to buy rights to get his barn full at 8000/10000 per cow
Wim v/d mill 2 September 2018
forgot to mention that I myself have 60 hectares of land and 55 dairy cows with 30 young cattle and that I do not understand that I can no longer keep cattle because someone else has stolen my latent space I am not even allowed to fertilize my own land because I don't have manure for that and then help someone else with too much manure for sure
shoemakers1 2 September 2018
Our government's divide and rule policy works well
Karel 2 September 2018
Totally agree,
Therefore, simply implement policy and anyone who cannot get used to it should stop.
Stoppers scheme is already in place!
Huug 2 September 2018
Hey Karel also follower
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Dirk 2 September 2018
Wim v/dmolen wrote:
forgot to mention that I myself have 60 hectares of land and 55 dairy cows with 30 young cattle and that I do not understand that I can no longer keep cattle because someone else has stolen my latent space I am not even allowed to fertilize my own land because I don't have manure for that and then help someone else with too much manure for sure


Then you have been sleeping, dear Wim.
Under current legislation, you have no latent room for phosphate production at all.
You mean your latent space for fertilizer placement. And you can, within the framework of the law, simply make use of it.
Do you know what you should have done? you should have invested heavily in milk quota in the era of milk quotas, so before 01-04-2015 you know, so that you were fully operational on 02-07-2015, resulting in sufficient phosphate rights for your dairy cows with which you could now have used the latent fertilizer placement space itself. But perhaps you even sold your milk quota (far) before 01-04-2015 with the expectation that with the received "milk quota" euros full house for a good price, which was expected at the time, to start producing milk and then every milk quota cattle farmer with too little fertilizer placement space with some glee far behind you.
I'm not saying it is, but that's how it could have gone.
And yes, you're out of luck now. yes dude, that's how life can go, sometimes you're lucky and sometimes you're unlucky. We have sufficient fertilizer placement space ourselves, but also sufficient phosphate rights. On the other hand, we invested heavily in the purchase of milk quota at the time. And as it turns out, maybe guessed better than you.
I just wanted to get rid of this.
Have a nice Sunday and kind regards from Dirk
Karel 2 September 2018
Dirk, you have described that well, a small group wanted to get away cheaply over the back of many others (including Wim and Huug) with ff rights.
Wim v/d mill 3 September 2018
Dirk I don't want to lower myself to you and (karel doesn't talk so stupidly? ) his level because what used to be doesn't matter the fact is people always talked about land-bound and now I have 60 hectares of land 55 dairy cows if I have more cows if I want to milk I have to buy phosphate rights while I have enough phosphate space left
Wim v/d mill 3 September 2018
Dirk I don't want to lower myself to you and (karel doesn't talk so stupidly? ) his level because what used to be doesn't matter the fact is people always talked about land-bound and now I have 60 hectares of land 55 dairy cows if I have more cows if I want to milk I have to buy phosphate rights while I have enough phosphate space left
Karel 3 September 2018
Every dairy farmer suffers from that!
Piet 3 September 2018
Even though I'm lucky enough to have enough phosphate, I can easily move around in Wim. Don't know if all that 60 ha house is a lot, otherwise you can of course sell and buy back phosphate and Dirk is also right, sometimes luck sometimes bad luck but the phosphate soap has nothing to do with the environment.
environmental activist 3 September 2018
If you are not allowed to let cows walk on your house plot on a correctly issued NB permit and latent space if you have too few phosphate rights, but you can have manure supplied from very intensive vehicles with the lorries, which in turn with the lorries (ships) have to buy feed where is the ENVIRONMENTAL profit????????
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dirk 3 September 2018
Wim v/dmolen wrote:
Dirk I don't want to lower myself to you and (karel doesn't talk so stupidly? ) his level because what used to be doesn't matter the fact is people always talked about land-bound and now I have 60 hectares of land 55 dairy cows if I have more cows if I want to milk I have to buy phosphate rights while I have enough phosphate space left


"He doesn't want to stoop to me", ha, ha, you're really not smart are you. You don't know how the hares run, dear Wim. You're cackling about phosphate space. If you want some more, you will have to pay for the phosphate rights. You're late, smart guy. greetings Dirk
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dirk 3 September 2018
Wim v/dmolen wrote:
Dirk I don't want to lower myself to you and (karel doesn't talk so stupidly? ) his level because what used to be doesn't matter the fact is people always talked about land-bound and now I have 60 hectares of land 55 dairy cows if I have more cows if I want to milk I have to buy phosphate rights while I have enough phosphate space left


"He doesn't want to stoop to me", ha, ha, you're really not smart are you. You don't know how the hares run, dear Wim. You're cackling about phosphate space. If you want some more, you will have to pay for the phosphate rights. You're late, smart guy. greetings Dirk
Wim v/d mill 4 September 2018
What words do you use that is exactly what I mean why the sector is not on the same page and usually gets such a reaction and I would say good luck because you are needed and I'm not cackling I'm just saying I don't get it? ????????????? I don't really know what to call you but never mind
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Dirk 4 September 2018
Wim v/dmolen wrote:
What words do you use that is exactly what I mean why the sector is not on the same page and usually gets such a reaction and I would say good luck because you are needed and I'm not cackling I'm just saying I don't get it? ????????????? I don't really know what to call you but never mind


Try to master the Dutch language grammar first and then try again. I can help you.
#sustainable dealing with farmers 4 September 2018
In my opinion, the problem is really helped by the government itself by opting for a free market, nevertheless the farmer is responsible for the consequences of this. In all past conflicts, think of the fripronil, the calf fraud and now the phosphate problem again.. the government points all 5 fingers at its farmers.
Deeply sad to read that this is now dividing the farmers while we all together produce the best food in the world. One with more or less land, the other with more or less animals. This should not matter, everyone is a farmer according to his or her possibilities. A farmer who has gone from 100 to 150 cows or a farmer who continued to keep 100 cows (with or without land ownership), both are unjustly punished by blind actions by the government.
That the government still dares to talk about 'making the agricultural sector more sustainable'… because they can't even deal with the farmers themselves in a sustainable way. #sustainable dealing with farmers
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wig maker 5 September 2018
I am a farmer and I also want to start milking cows. I must be able to milk some cows on 100 hectares.
It's ridiculous that I have to buy phosphate rights and a cattle farmer can start growing potatoes like this
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dirk 6 September 2018
wigmaker wrote:
I am a farmer and I also want to start milking cows. I must be able to milk some cows on 100 hectares.
It's ridiculous that I have to buy phosphate rights and a cattle farmer can start growing potatoes like this


A cattle farmer is not so crazy that he starts growing potatoes for a non-existing market [so for free]. And growing potatoes doesn't produce any phosphate, so... the comparison is ultimately flawed.
We are so happy with [very expensive and even more expensive] phosphate rights, so that not everyone is stable for say 250 mk. can start building, because wig maker take off your wig and let the fresh air blow over your hairless skull; what happens then best hair prosthesis maker? yes, then what? Use your common sense and don't just say something. We read enough nonsense here already, I saw someone completely right to point this out.
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wig maker 6 September 2018
dirk wrote:
wigmaker wrote:
I am a farmer and I also want to start milking cows. I must be able to milk some cows on 100 hectares.
It's ridiculous that I have to buy phosphate rights and a cattle farmer can start growing potatoes like this


A cattle farmer is not so crazy that he starts growing potatoes for a non-existing market [so for free]. And growing potatoes doesn't produce any phosphate, so... the comparison is ultimately flawed.
We are so happy with [very expensive and even more expensive] phosphate rights, so that not everyone is stable for say 250 mk. can start building, because wig maker take off your wig and let the fresh air blow over your hairless skull; what happens then best hair prosthesis maker? yes, then what? Use your common sense and don't just say something. We read enough nonsense here already, I saw someone completely right to point this out.



It is not a comparison but a fact, Dirkje 24.
It's a plea for land-based farming and your reasoning refers to a buck with an oat chest.
shoemakers1 7 September 2018
you can also say, may someone who has spoiled the market in the past, may also operate the market in the future, it just depends on how you draw up the law Dirk, but if this happens I think you will scream bloody murder
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Dirk 7 September 2018
wigmaker wrote:
dirk wrote:
wigmaker wrote:
I am a farmer and I also want to start milking cows. I must be able to milk some cows on 100 hectares.
It's ridiculous that I have to buy phosphate rights and a cattle farmer can start growing potatoes like this


A cattle farmer is not so crazy that he starts growing potatoes for a non-existing market [so for free]. And growing potatoes doesn't produce any phosphate, so... the comparison is ultimately flawed.
We are so happy with [very expensive and even more expensive] phosphate rights, so that not everyone is stable for say 250 mk. can start building, because wig maker take off your wig and let the fresh air blow over your hairless skull; what happens then best hair prosthesis maker? yes, then what? Use your common sense and don't just say something. We read enough nonsense here already, I saw someone completely right to point this out.



It is not a comparison but a fact, Dirkje 24.
It's a plea for land-based farming and your reasoning refers to a buck with an oat chest.


and yet you imagine it a bit too simple for yourself and what you think of me doesn't interest me at all. The fantasies here are often quite humorous, because they are often tailored to one's own situation and that is not realistic. This is not taken into account.
But don't worry, buy phosphate rights for a million or one and a half, build another stall with equipment for another million or one and a half, find a private dairy processor [you can't enter rfc] and still go and milk a lot. Assuming that the knowledge and skills are available in-house. However, unless you have that 3 million somewhere in 3 old socks, otherwise your chance is 0,0.
greetings from Dirk.
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