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Emergency research into nitrogen emissions in nature

25 September 2019 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 27 comments

Mesdag Dairy Fund is having an urgent study carried out into nitrogen deposition in nature reserves, under the supervision of the University of Amsterdam. According to the organization, nitrogen deposition is now only estimated with models that have never been calibrated with measurements.

With this study, the Mesdag Dairy Fund wants to prove that nitrogen emissions from livestock farms in the Netherlands mainly remain on the farmyard and farmland and are not spread further. “We want to prevent politicians from sacrificing agriculture on the basis of current models, which have great uncertainties, while measurements may well show that things are different in reality,” says Jan Cees Vogelaar, chairman of the Mesdag Dairy Fund. The measurement program is expected to start in January 2020. 

According to the Mesdag Dairy Fund, the models currently used have been criticized for years, because various studies show that they can be 30 to 100% wrong. The current models, of which the Remkes Committee also bases its advice on reducing nitrogen emissions, show that companies within a 10-kilometre shell around a nature reserve emit a relatively large amount of nitrogen into that nature reserve.

Measures effective
According to Mesdag, the national government continuously indicates that it does not want to calibrate the models, because it does not have a suitable and affordable measuring method in-house. "If you want measures against nitrogen to be effective, you have to know how much nitrogen it is and where it comes from. That is not known at the moment, because this has not been determined with measurements," says Vogelaar. The University of Amsterdam now has a measurement program ready.

The Mesdag Dairy Fund hopes that other organizations will also join in. "We would have preferred to set up this research in collaboration with other organizations in agriculture and the government, but there is currently no time for this," says Vogelaar. Mesdag Fund invites interested organizations and the government to join in with this research.

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of platings 25 September 2019
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/melk/artikel/10884115/urgent research into nitrogen emissions in nature]Emergency research into nitrogen emissions in nature[/url]
It's not going to help us, they follow their own heads anyway. See Zandvoort, and Lelystad, everything will be printed through it in no time. See manure samples, they still cannot measure them accurately. † pot to 5 labs and you have 5 huge differences in P and N. Sad but true. And the manure law is attached to that.
gash 25 September 2019
Measurements in forest of nitrogen and phosphate extremely high Measurement in the meadow 5 km further at much lower measure everything carefully and then rule
Ton Westgeest 25 September 2019
Emergency examination....... January 2020????

15 years with assumptions and manipulated figures and now an emergency investigation?? starting 2020??

How urgent is it?? I don't think they have any interest in it but want to show that they are doing something about it...

It's a shame that there are still no real numbers!
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Fortissimo 25 September 2019
Good read Ton....this research is an initiative of the Mesdagfonds / ZuivelNL, that is, from the sector. The RIVM has only one tactic and that is slowing down and wasting time. Disgraceful, but that's how the civil service works in a banana republic.
Ton Westgeest 25 September 2019
I have read correctly Fortissimo, and then there is only one conclusion: the sector slows down just as much as the government. Are they playing together??
That could have been done much earlier, why now?
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Jan Cees Vogelaar 26 September 2019
Dear Ton,
From behind your keyboard you probably know everything better afterwards and it is of course quite an enormous effort to arrive at such a carefully considered consideration.

The fact is that the Mesdag Fund has now been busy unraveling the ammonia file for about 4 years and each time has obtained a piece of the puzzle by hanging and strangling, so that the image has now also arisen in the House of Representatives that WUR and RIVM have not served pure coffee.

Of course you have observed this much earlier and provided it with a scientifically and legally tenable substantiation.

Of course the Mesdag Fund is in league with the government and of course it is no problem at all to set up a study like the one the UvA is going to do now.
You have, of course, already provided that experience and commitment from behind your keyboard.
You can also arrange the financing of such a research from behind your keyboard much faster than Mesdagfonds was able to realize it.

Ton good luck with your important work and thank you for your enormous contribution to the sector that you have spawned to date.

Sincerely,

Jan Cees Vogelaar
hans 26 September 2019
Jan Cees, Ton talks about "the sector" that could have resisted much earlier, not the Mesdag Fund itself.

Of course, many stakeholders have doubts about the "calculations" of the "top" university of Wageningen, and for much longer.

Ton therefore has reason to write that the farmers have been criminalized for a long time, and that until now nobody had any problem with that, not the "sector representatives", not the nicely benefiting periphery (on the contrary !!), and not the politicians, who only too happy to abuse a toothless scapegoat
Ton Westgeest 26 September 2019
Thanks Hans, but I can have Jan Cees though...

Dear Jan Cees,
I have always had enormous admiration for you, I mean what you have already done for the sector, thank you for that......

You probably have all kinds of (financial) interests in what you do.
So not us.... we are working in the yard every day, all year round. Busy earning a few cents and when we see how you, the upper class, because that's how you want to be seen, dealing with the people of the sector, my pants drop.

Nothing is being done about these absurd regulations. You just switch to another nice job, just like the big men of the dairies. Make rules and then enjoy a good pension, because they have all taken care of that, retire!!! Just look it up, you all seem to think.

It is not an allegation to the Mesdag Fund, but especially to you who waste our interests in order to sit down with the government, Wageningen or the RIVM. You are not there when you need to be and you are giving wrong signals at the wrong time(Calon)!!!

But it pleases me to see that it did affect you, if there is a reaction, it is a sign that I am not completely wrong.
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Jan Cees Vogelaar 26 September 2019
Dear Ton,
From behind your keyboard you probably know everything better afterwards and it is of course quite an enormous effort to arrive at such a carefully considered consideration.

The fact is that the Mesdag Fund has now been busy unraveling the ammonia file for about 4 years and each time has obtained a piece of the puzzle by hanging and strangling, so that the image has now also arisen in the House of Representatives that WUR and RIVM have not served pure coffee.

Of course you have observed this much earlier and provided it with a scientifically and legally tenable substantiation.

Of course the Mesdag Fund is in league with the government and of course it is no problem at all to set up a study like the one the UvA is going to do now.
You have, of course, already provided that experience and commitment from behind your keyboard.
You can also arrange the financing of such a research from behind your keyboard much faster than Mesdagfonds was able to realize it.

Ton good luck with your important work and thank you for your enormous contribution to the sector that you have spawned to date.

Sincerely,

Jan Cees Vogelaar
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Jan Cees Vogelaar 26 September 2019
Dear Ton,
What are you thinking to yourself??
What financial interests would I have where.
I cannot imagine any interest that I personally have in nitrogen research.
I am upper class and looking for nice jobs with a pension.

You are really off the track.
It really doesn't affect me personally, luckily there are a lot of people who know how the fork is in the handle.

Just think that it is a bit sad what you announce because it says so much about yourself and yes it also says something about me to still respond to what you write.

I wish you a lot of strength, get well soon and many good things.
And I'm going to spend my time better again with my pension-offering job with all my self-interests interwoven in it.
Ton Westgeest 26 September 2019
Thanks for the good wishes Jan Cees, everything will be fine...
peter 26 September 2019
Agree with Tony!
More than enough independent studies have been offered in the past, this has covered up the government and now you think Mr. Vogelaar that you have not been covered up with your vision?

The hard man must be in this filth, the time for talking is over!


goodbye!


ps. All talk!
govert 27 September 2019
Men

PLEASE don't play on the person Ton
Jan Cees is absolutely right.
Wait and see what comes out of the investigation
Everyone is curious about this.

Good luck with your search for the truth.
John Cees.
Ton Westgeest 27 September 2019
If you read correctly, I don't / never do that only if someone feels addressed and is going to respond, I have to answer, right? Otherwise it is not neat.... I have nothing to do with Jan Cees.

Only I think that if people take power anywhere, they have to account for it. If everything remains without obligation, it is too easy, then you let others settle with you and you have left.... just like with the dairies.

And I'm certainly happy with any research!
Cor Ferdinands 1 October 2019
Jan cees Voogelaar, the managerial man behind the ibr enting in 1999
set up with the mighty Bayer, when the farmers suffered more than a hundred million in damage, it was legally impossible to prove it, so cannot be told, further research has never been done into what the real cause was
Ton Westgeest 2 October 2019
Oh was that also Jan Cees??? Two years of law and three dead cows....
See, that's what I mean by those people who seize power and evade accountability of any kind....
Look at Tjeerd de Groot filled bags at the farmers and then hang them up...
Ton Westgeest 3 October 2019
When you hear Akerboom from the National Police today, you're going to wonder if this government isn't seriously overdue.

He proves that the chaos at the police is due to the fickle policies of this government (read no policy)!
You also see this in agriculture, education, health care, justice, UWV, etc.

Now you also see that the entire subsidy policy is wrong!
11,4 billion for biomass that scientists agree doesn't work. It is only pushed through because it does not count for the climate in Europe, so make fun of each other.... Yes it is even more polluting than gas or coal!

My question is not, how much corruption is there in politics in The Hague, but in national politics????

shoemakers 1 3 October 2019
very easy to solve, also make the officials personally liable for their mistakes, now they just do something, they can't be held accountable anyway.
Ton Westgeest 3 October 2019
Yes, but Schoenmakers, they will of course never do that!!!!

Remkes' report also states that the millions of subsidies for biofuel should not go ahead, has anyone heard anything about that???

No, it doesn't suit her!

Just take agriculture and 10 kilometers speed down.....only at the nature reserves because that doesn't bother me anyway!!!!

Corrupt to the bottom I keep saying it!!!
shoemakers 1 3 October 2019
No, Ton, I know that too, but in my eyes they could also feel that they can't always just do something stupid
ff dim 6 October 2019
Dear farmers

something isn't right here. I read allegation about taking power. why would you think that? the Dutch farmer himself is indebted to worthless representatives in recent decades. you shouldn't blame someone else for that. for years you just let it happen. you were represented by your customer (nzo/rfc) by your financier (rabo) and by a couple of lapzwansen (lto) and then you are now going to whine at JanCees? shame on you. it is now time for action. that's right. but look for each other in strong together instead of giving each other off
Annie 7 October 2019
At the moment I am busy sharing the report below (a graduation assignment from UR Wageningen), which the Mesdag Fund also refers to, wherever possible.
2011 monitored. But tucked away because the central government uses its own measuring method from the RIVM.

http://edepot.wur.nl/328849
Annie 7 October 2019
Because if things continue like this, agriculture will always be identified as the cause of environmental polluters if measurements are not fair. That's what I'm most concerned about. Moreover, what a destruction of capital and money this costs society. Money that can be spent much more usefully.
shoemakers 1 7 October 2019
ff dim wrote:
Dear farmers

something isn't right here. I read allegation about taking power. why would you think that? the Dutch farmer himself is indebted to worthless representatives in recent decades. you shouldn't blame someone else for that. for years you just let it happen. you were represented by your customer (nzo/rfc) by your financier (rabo) and by a couple of lapzwansen (lto) and then you are now going to whine at JanCees? shame on you. it is now time for action. that's right. but look for each other in strong together instead of giving each other off
wasn't your dear JanCees one of those lap swans from lto
Eddy 8 October 2019
Sorry guys, I can't follow your accusations towards Jan Cees. Since when are we going to piss off people who try to take the hot coals out of the fire for us
In my opinion, Jan Cees is doing a very good job at the moment, see the link below.

https://www.melkvee.nl/artikel/221643-mesdagfonds-tevreden-over-gesprek-met-rivm-over-stikstofberekeningen/

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Egbert 8 October 2019
@ Annie. If the summary is true, then a number of organizations will have to sweep the broom.
(My english is not so good that I can read the whole report)
of platings 9 October 2019
Have fun biting each other, we'll get on with that. If you all voted right, we wouldn't have had all of these (and many others). According to my knowledge, the vvd with Van Aartsen, already robbed us of the rights at the time. So SGP, Christen Unie, VVD etc all jerk, all pickpockets over our backs. This would not have happened with Baudet, etc., so you voted wrong and now have to sit on the blisters. So it's your own fault, big bump.
You can no longer respond.

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