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VVD: 'Livestock does not have to shrink'

12 October 2019 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 20 comments

The Dutch livestock does not have to shrink to meet the nitrogen requirements. This is what the ruling party VVD says in Algemeen Dagblad (AD). According to the VVD, moving livestock farms and financially supporting special barn systems can be sufficient to reduce nitrogen emissions.

"Farmers are allowed to keep as much livestock as they want," said VVD MP Mark Harbers in the AD† "The goal is to reduce nitrogen emissions, not to reduce livestock," he nuances. This sharpens the relations in the coalition, the newspaper notes. D66 and ChristenUnie are striving to reduce livestock numbers. The CDA has previously questioned the measurement methods.

No less cow or pig
"It's not about the number of cattle," Harbers claims. "It's about reducing nitrogen emissions in the agricultural sector. If a company invests in nitrogen installations and therefore has hardly any emissions, no cow or pig needs to be kept less."

The VDD thinks it is unfair that farmers are blamed in the nitrogen crisis. "Farmers have always adhered to the rules, they have invested and have all the permits in place." Those permits may not be taken from Harbers. "Farmers can keep as many livestock as they want."

De Groot surprised
D66 MP Tjeerd de Groot reacts surprised in the AD to Harbers' statements and states that they are against the earlier agreements. "The fact that we help farmers with the transition to circular agriculture or with a fair buy-out scheme is clearly stated in the coalition agreement, the climate agreement and in the cabinet response to the Remkes report."

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Maxwell 12 October 2019
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/melk/ artikel/10884319/vdd-veestapel-hoeft-niet-in-te-shrink]VDD: livestock does not have to shrink[/url]
Incredibly short-sighted vision of the VVD. The current situation has arisen precisely because of the messy Neo-Liberal agricultural policy of the VVD and CDA. For years a bad tolerance policy with only a short term focus on money money money (expand with and more more more)
This has led to the current problems in Dutch agriculture.
And the VVD and CDA are now insisting that we must continue with this insane pursuit.
These parties ensure that agriculture in the Netherlands is broken
??? !!! 12 October 2019
maxwell there is one more question: do you use chemistry yourself or would you rather die?????
(see other discussion!)
mika 12 October 2019
When agriculture has to comply with the cycle, so should industry
Eg making cars with European products. same for phones and no shoes to come from china. which is a very polluting way.
Tackle the biggest polluters in the Netherlands. Nitrogen factories chemelot
These only need to comply in 2050. And what will the world look like then? and if they don't meet this target
Plastic factories are very polluting.
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roy 12 October 2019
maxwell, Only the Left and the Christian Union is incredibly shortsighted on this one. Look at the standards of Germany. We have the most sustainable and progressive agricultural sector in the world.
VDD also just...
counteract 12 October 2019
I'm glad that Mark Harbers opens his mouth and gives Tj de Gr and J Kl some VET resistance.

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smart ass 12 October 2019
if Geurts already did that because he thinks the same thing but then doesn't say it. I don't understand that, I do call everything on stage but not in the room [stable orders?]
Baudet and Wilders want this too, so you have a majority
??? !!! 12 October 2019
that's where the C comes in again. hypocritical. Sunday cleaning, Monday everything again.
Farmer Harms 12 October 2019
Stop with that Baudet ...... Cliteur has agricultural policy in his portfolio. Google him, he's just as left-wing as Klaver and that D66 sucker from de Groot ........
Bart de Boer 13 October 2019
VVD is out for votes, hypocritical Randstad party. As a farmer you should clean up your mess and not spoil the living environment with particulate matter, nitrogen, phosphate and ammonia. Colleague farmers also want to receive a subsidy for cleaning up the mess. SHAMELESS.!
Willem 13 October 2019
I wish the VVD were so critical of the reports about Schiphol and Lelystad AirPort .
Moreover, this is about a court decision, something that politicians should stay far away from, I think




dirk 13 October 2019
Bert de Boer, give an example that your living environment is sick, just haphazardly after parrots of some comes across as unbelievable.
Ton Westgeest 13 October 2019
Left or right I don't care what they do farmer Harms.

Most are the left-wing big losers who look at something with blinders on. Like all the pollution that is currently going on (see Zembla). Now they're looking at the farmers, they think they can mess up there more than industry, cars and planes (they'd like to keep flying too).

But sometimes I think that the right is not doing it at all, in recent years they have ruled and made a big mess on all fronts.

No, I judge them by their actions. If you see that Baudet has submitted one motion after another, for the farmers, in recent weeks, Baudet is currently my favorite.

You may also want to set up a new party, but don't be mistaken about all that is involved. You see it at LPF, Wilders and at Baudet it is not exactly plain sailing either.

So I think you have to look at it on a case-by-case basis and then vote massively for that party because it's all they listen to.
Just look at the VVD, afraid that they will now lose votes, quickly say that no cows and pigs have to leave.

Doing left, cocking right and above all: filling pockets!!
blade of grass 13 October 2019
Isn't it time that a brainless person like Maxwel was blocked here?
Bart de Boer 13 October 2019
@bert, think of Q fever, Fipronil in eggs, moss growth instead of plants in nature reserves, lack of meadow birds, no diversity in grasslands. Would you like 15 more examples Bert? We farmers must take responsibility and entrepreneurship. Subsidies remove any initiative for subordination. Now you again.
Maxwell 14 October 2019
You would like that, eh Grasshopper, block me here because you don't want to hear any counter-sound. You only want to hear something when it suits you. Fortunately, there are smart people like me and boerbert who do know what the truth is.
Why is everyone here complaining about the pollution of other sectors. Yes of course Schiphol and the industry pollute a lot BUT we are talking about pollution and emissions from Dutch agriculture so stop comparing apples and oranges!!! That makes no sense.
Yes, I am HBO trained as an Environmentalist but also have an agricultural background (education and experience) So don't tell anything that is nonsense.
Fortunately, we also have a lot of other smart people in the Netherlands who also do thorough research. Wageningen is now coming up with research conclusions that the Dutch livestock should be reduced by at least 50 percent.
And rightly so, because such a small frog country like the Netherlands cannot carry millions of head of cattle. All that food doesn't even come from your own farms!!!???? All import from distant countries. Pretty sustainable.
Think very carefully until the penny finally drops. The current road that many Dutch farmers want to continue on is a DEAD-ENDING ROAD!!!!
Switch or switch off..... because your company will soon no longer have a right to exist. Stop all subsidies for large farmers and stand on their own two feet. That's what a real farmer does. Not those agricultural benefit recipients of today.
Maxwell 14 October 2019
Oh and an answer to your question person ???!!!
I hardly use any medicines because I eat healthy organic food. If I do have to use something then maybe it's a paracetamol for the headache I get from all that whining here!!!! In any case, I don't use round up as medicine. Too bad huh....:)
You have toxins and you have toxins. There is a huge difference in toxicity.
I don't need a lot of junk in my daily life....and I don't produce much waste and junk either. so....... you can't play that blame game with me unfortunately
Good luck with your narrow-mindedness ???!!! and Blade of Grass
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Sad 14 October 2019
Dear Maxwell,


Please stop saying that you are so healthy and associate that with organic food.
I lost my wife to cancer and I can assure you she both lived and ate super healthy.
That you are healthy is not so much your merit as the fact that you are lucky.
I give everyone their opinion but stop spouting this kind of nonsense.
It is to be hoped that the rest of your arguments have come to a standstill on better grounds.
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Hannes 14 October 2019
Maxwell grew up on a farm but it was too small to continue or his brother took over and so he got a little frustrated and now he is an environmental officer or aider trying to make other farmers' lives miserable !!! oh yes he also votes green left or party for the animals I think. One thing I do know for sure is that you are a sick man and I also advise everyone on this forum to ignore him from now on.
??? !!! 14 October 2019
1) In this world organic farming is hardly disguised causing famines in areas where no food CAN be produced.

2) if, for example, 5% of the farmers would now switch to organic, the earning capacity of all organic farmers would be 0, countless would immediately go bankrupt: THE CITIZENS DOES NOT TAKE THE EXTRA PRICE!!!
- therefore also rubbish from abroad on the shelves in NL, where our 1st quality goes to the better paying customers the EU and the world.

I am not for chemical, I do not immediately see a PRACTICALLY FEASIBLE alternative.
blade of grass 14 October 2019
Your text and spelling betray that you did not have a HBO education Maxwel. So the stories you try to put here are more like
pastime or you are also a corrupt official or errand boy
of their.
You can no longer respond.

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