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Schouten: low-nitrogen feed for the short term

31 October 2019 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 47 comments

Agriculture Minister Carola Schouten has calculated the possibility of introducing mandatory low-nitrogen feed in Dutch livestock farming. As a result, ammonia emissions may fall in the short term, making room for housing, among other things.

This reports the NOS based on anonymous sources close to the cabinet. The cabinet has pinned hopes on special enzymes that can be added to animal feed. These enzymes are produced for chemical group DSM and can reportedly yield a nitrogen gain of at least 10%. The addition can be entered within a week. 

According to DSM, the enzymes have no effect on milk production, but they fix less nitrogen in the manure. The feed does become more expensive, but according to the NOS, the livestock farmers do not have to pay for these costs. The cabinet wants to reimburse these costs, which are estimated at 'several tens of million euros' for the coming period.

It is remarkable that Schouten seems to rely completely on the enzymes. For several years now, the Dutch animal feed industry (Nevedi) has had research carried out into reducing the nitrogen and phosphorus content in animal feed. In contrast to phosphate, for example, this is not easy, Nevedi chairman Henk Flipsen hinted at a meeting in Fort Altena this spring. At the time, the sector presented a nitrogen reduction plan for dairy farming.

Little advantage
Incidentally, this is a measure to free up nitrogen space in the short term for developments outside agriculture (construction, housing). Agriculture itself seems to have little benefit other than goodwill. An organization such as Greenpeace, for example, was quick to say that 'the farmers and nature are not helped' by these plans of Schouten. 'She chooses to continue on the same dead-end road of technical bogus solutions that once again pushes forward the inevitable choice for shrinkage of the livestock.' 

Greenpeace's reaction seems premature, because Schouten's plans for low-nitrogen feed probably have no direct link to the plans to reduce livestock. Buying up companies in Natura2000 areas is seen by the government as a long-term solution and is by no means off the table. By taking short-term measures now, time seems to be bought.

Increase threshold value
Representatives of, among others, Farmers Defense Force and Agractie met with Minister Schouten yesterday (Wednesday 30 October) to discuss how to tackle the nitrogen crisis and other issues. This included raising the threshold value, as well as revising the objectives and the number of Natura 2000 areas. These discussions were of an informative nature and therefore did not yield any commitments or results.

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Ton Westgeest 31 October 2019
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
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Wassenaar, October 31, 10
Open letter Carola Schouten,

Carola, do the Netherlands and the farmers a favor, solve the problems. The Problems That Politics Has Caused! Now back to DSM, which itself participates in the pollution of our drinking water, is not a solution.

You must work towards a solution for the future and not another blot for the bleeding. Your predecessors have already done that!

The only thing that remains open to the nitrogen problem is to delete all "nature areas" except the Wadden area, the Hoge Veluwe and the Biesbosch.
That is the only real solution left.

You also need to develop a long-term vision for Dutch agriculture. I agree with people who say that large-scale farming in a small country like this is not appropriate.

So professing "we encourage family businesses" and on the other hand killing family businesses with all kinds of stupid rules, that has to stop!

Just pass a law in the room of so many animals is desirable .... And then just don't give any more subsidies to companies that rise above that. I personally think that 20000 or 60000 pigs are not possible, then you are asking for trouble! For human and animal health.
Because of your predecessors, all with a double agenda, the Netherlands seems to have become a banana country. We accept revenue models that are not possible at all. Such as the clean sand that we sell to Belgium and the heavily polluted soil that we bring here to deepen our clean pools. What's PFAS!

The next problem is already coming, our drinking water! Have large industries stop discharging, such as DSM, Chemours, etc. otherwise we will soon have no clean water, only water with PFAS.

Stop subsidizing biomass because the health (asthma and COPD) of the Dutch must be worth more to you than the sacred hobbyhorses of the "green" politicians. Except that you don't save the climate with it!!!

The peasantry is not the cause of the problem in the Netherlands, although it is claimed to be. Politics is the problem. Politics is not there to patronize us but to provide vision and leadership for the big picture...

At an excavation in Helmond, where they are again making a "nature park", 12 farms have been found from Roman times. There you can also see that we are not the problem, because there are still farmers. The politicians of that time have all been made smaller.....

I don't ask for the impossible, I ask to think carefully and then do the right thing. Better half turned than completely erred!
In any case, things are not going well and no one wants crocodile tears, just like with the STINT afterwards!


Thomas 31 October 2019
Feeding enough silage maize is the fastest and cheapest solution to reduce nitrogen emissions.
henny 31 October 2019
Dear Carola and all counselors

You are now investigating whether the farmers can start feeding low in nitrogen
Investigate the long-term health risks for cows and humans.
And now something bothers me immensely the farmer and his cows are going to produce less nitrogen will undoubtedly come with a price tag and where do they want that to go to construction
NO what those farmers are working so hard on leave it to the farmers too!!!
how crooked can something be there may well be a lot of money to come across.
be wise and
Put baffles between all sectors and let each sector do its thing!!!!!!
it is the farmer who is allowed to solve the problems, someone else runs away with it and then the farmer is turned over
my concern is increasing over this political game
Onno Breitsma 31 October 2019
I watch this panic football with astonishment. Once again it becomes clear to me that the difference in corruption and lobbying is in the amount of money. Most of the money is rotated during lobbying.
DSM does not need to get too excited about reducing the nitrogen content in the ration.
There are many solutions that provide the dairy farmers with money and do not cost any money. But no, no one is heard, nothing is taken. In this way, all innovations in the Netherlands are killed and entire population groups are driven into poverty.
It is time that Rutte and Schouten are stopped with EU laws and forced to resign. What happened now is bizarre.
shoemakers 1 31 October 2019
Thomas wrote:
Feeding enough silage maize is the fastest and cheapest solution to reduce nitrogen emissions.
They don't want this at all Thomas, they also want to get rid of cutting corn
Cees 31 October 2019
If it's not true?
Farmer sister, farmer like that.

Carola, eat nitrogen-free food yourself.
And now wipe that shit off the table.
Cees 31 October 2019
If it's not true?
Farmer sister, farmer like that.

Carola, eat nitrogen-free food yourself.
And now wipe that shit off the table.
Thomas 31 October 2019
@shoemakers1
If that is not enough, then politics and the left-wing media should be taught a lesson, they will continue to twist and squeeze everything.
Do not provide any more data with all of them.
bblogic 31 October 2019
In The Hague they just keep going around the hot mess, namely keeping less Natura 2000 areas out of the question. Yet this is the only good solution. The population is also still told that nitrogen is bad for nature, while in reality more nitrogen deposition only ensures an accelerated recovery of nature that has always been there originally.
Cees 31 October 2019
If it's not true?
Farmer sister, farmer like that.

Carola, eat nitrogen-free food yourself.
And now wipe that shit off the table.
shoemakers 1 31 October 2019
Thomas, here in Brabant, I understand that there are already municipalities that will ban maize cultivation through the zoning plan, among other things, Tilburg is one of the first
shoemakers 1 31 October 2019
but you're right Thomas, only the goals should be important, so if I can only drive 50 kg p, there should be no further rules, if I have to get by with that little bit, I can still do the best myself decide how I do it, I am automatically paid at the harvest, but they also decide low-emission, resistance from some sides, soil life destroyed, dates for planting, if I want to plant my onion sets on February 10 this year, I can't use animal manure drive up, how far can you go with the compulsion
Remco 1 November 2019
Don't feed that junk!
Let construction solve its own problems!
Cees 1 November 2019
Why do I no longer hear about duckweed (500 tons of CO2 absorption per ha) and how far is the development of CO2 by e-coli bacteria????

http://www.sen-foundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Paper-CO2-reductie-in-de-atmosfeer.docx-geredigeerd.pdf
Pippi 1 November 2019
Stop with 'end of pipe' solutions for major environmental problems that just don't work and are like sticking a plaster on a large festering wound.

Here is the real solution to all the problems of today's agricultural system....Agroecology.....to help the sick agricultural system of today towards a better future for everyone. With the farmers first!

Food production that makes smart use of nature, that combines farming knowledge with scientific insights and that brings consumers and producers closer together – that benefits everyone. The farmer escapes the stranglehold of banks, chemicals and brokers, biodiversity is increasing, the soil is recovering, production is increasing and citizens are eating healthier. Moreover, this form of agriculture, also called agroecology, is more resilient to climate change.

Ton Westgeest 1 November 2019
Pippi I would like to come and have a look at your place, where is your company???
I'm really curious about how you do all this.
January 10 1 November 2019
pipi is keyboard farmer. We have a lot of that.
Nice shouting how someone else should do it.
Farmer Dieuwke 1 November 2019
When will we farmers themselves come up with relevant solutions to reduce nitrogen by 3/4? Your commentators refer to others, yes that's easy. It's not that hard, just 3/4 reduction. Ton has the mentality of a PvdA member, sitting in the front row for nothing or closing up nature reserves. Man you're not worth a cut in the nose.
Ton Westgeest 1 November 2019
Dieuwke, if you're not the same as Pippi, I'd be happy to visit you too.... You seem to me to run a very interesting company, such a smart farmer's wife. Is everything circular?
Did I see you being interviewed by Pow News???
shoemakers 1 2 November 2019
How much reduction has already been done by agriculture, shift everything to agriculture, nice and easy Dieuwke
Farmer Dieuwke 2 November 2019
First start with coated fertilizer granules: in any case at least 10% fertilizer (nitrogen). We give an overload of fertilizer, often at the wrong time: savings of 15-20% fertilizer. Also sow clover: 50-100 kg N per ha. That's how I do it; lower fertilizer use, lower costs, with the same yield. For the last percent more yield, you already have to use 10% more fertilizer.
Ton Westgeest 2 November 2019
We give an overload of fertilizer

Oh Dieuwke, that is disappointing to me from such a clever peasant girl, you knew it so well, didn't you! We haven't sprinkled for 12 years.....

I have to be honest, the country is going backwards!
Ton Westgeest 2 November 2019
And Dieuwke, nice name by the way...

I'm not from the PvdA and I don't want to close the nature reserves but just no longer label them as nature reserves because they are landscaped parks that also look very flourishing!!
Pippi 3 November 2019
Sorry Ton but I am someone else and Dieuwke is a different person. It's a shame that more people contradict your delusions Ton. You are probably not used to it as you are very demeaning about others and also belittling against a female farmer. Well done Dieuwke lets those chauvinistic men smell a Poepie.
And Ton unfortunately I don't have a farm (yet) (but I do have agricultural experience). That's because there are now only mega companies of spoiled millionaire farmers who sell land (also thanks to banks) for extortionate prices. New farmers now have no chance of starting a business because no sensible person is now taking out a million-dollar loan to take over an expensive sinking ship.
It was big, bigger, biggest for years (thanks to the farmer's lobby and especially CDA and VVD)
Yes, and now that's no longer the case.
Solution split mega farms into smaller farms and thus help more starting farmers with an affordable farm (in aheo-ecological agriculture a field or dairy farm of about 12 hectares is a profitable farm.
Ton, you should first delve into what Agroecology agriculture means before you tear down everything and everyone who thinks otherwise.
Ton Westgeest 3 November 2019
in aheo-ecological agriculture, a field or dairy farm of approximately 12 hectares is a profitable farm.

Dream on Pippi ...... You will not get that profitable. I try to follow all ecological and organic farming and so far I get the idea that it can't be done in a fair way. Without doing all kinds of frills.
Cost-effective should be the basic principle and I do my best to make it happen. No fertilizer, everything on solar energy, no gas and tap water, cycle fertilization, etc. Leaving as few footprints as possible...

And then it bothers me that there are Pippis who know everything so well with their talk, for someone else (we sometimes agree about CDA and VVD). Even if you don't have a farm yet, let me help you, you will never succeed...... Because then you have to work, and not just a little bit 24/7 all year round.

Then you will also admit that playing paid activist, and talking under a pseudonym, is very easy!!
Pete 3 November 2019
Ton, I regularly visit a beautiful pig farm in the Veluwe with 20.000 pigs at multiple locations. Completely self-sufficient in energy through biomass from the same Veluwe. Stables that achieve 85% ammonia and odor reduction. As a cow farmer, try to learn from this and get started instead of writing divide and conquer notes. Success with it.
Pippi 3 November 2019
Dear Ton and others who unfortunately, against their better judgment, still firmly believe in the current intensive large-scale artificial (fertilizer/pesticides) and business as usual agricultural model, I can only say the following.... We will see who is ultimately right . My confidence in a switch to a REALLY sustainable organic/Agroecology farming model against your preservation of the current mainstream farming model.
But I dare to say one thing for sure and that is that agriculture will eventually follow the path that I endorse in my arguments. I bet a farm on that.
You can't turn the tide anymore. The hard way to make agriculture more sustainable will take place in any case and will lead, among other things, to a reduction of the Dutch livestock of at least 50%.
Believe me or not. That doesn't really interest me.
Only it will be a real pity that your own companies suffer because of your own stubbornness and ostrich behavior and I mean that sincerely. Help yourself and look at the alternatives because they are there and will help you too. Otherwise your company will soon be lost and of course nobody wants that!!!
shoemakers 1 3 November 2019
Smart Pippie, you don't know what you're talking about, go to ton's class, you're from another planet, stay there, and don't kill us with your poison
Farmer Dieuwke 3 November 2019
It's a shame that farmers like Ton are stuck in structures from the last century. Don't sour men, think about mistakes and change. Circumstances have really changed. I could be Pipi's mother, but I believe in her mission. Big, bigger, biggest is not a solution. It's about quality over quantity. Therefore, I have a good income from my farming business.
Jan 3 November 2019
Pippi and Dieuwke are one and the same. Failed attic room typmies with no social network. Best snow.
Gert 3 November 2019
Especially sad when you only communicate with yourself. I believe there are special telephone numbers for loneliness.
Farmer Dieuwke 3 November 2019
Very pathetic men. Just blame, no solutions. sours. Could be singles.
confusing times 3 November 2019
politics in 2019
thinking in paper problems
and idiotic solutions
here are three steps for the short term

step 1 enter German nitrogen standard

step 2 do not remove companies but pay for air scrubbers near Natura 2000 areas and install them as soon as possible

step 3 accept that excavated high peat for peat will slowly return to its original state nutrient-rich
Ton Westgeest 3 November 2019
You really don't stand a chance..... Dieuwke and Pippi. I always give solutions, but if you are so full of yourself..... Yes, you don't want to hear it!

It's like when you were interviewed by Pow News, you didn't even know what you were demonstrating for! You could only try to knock the camera out of his hands.... Très triste!!!!
Drent 3 November 2019
remains strange to risk your livestock with other feed only to let the construction continue, balance remains 0 and I don't believe that is a solution either
Ton Westgeest 4 November 2019
Everyone have a look, our left-wing supporters, but also Carola Schouten!!!!

https://youtu.be/hmokfouxQQ8
Sjaak 4 November 2019
Pipi nothing will stop you from working out your plans. And if your claims are true, your way of farming will be better. I would say start saving buy a piece of land this is really not impossible and just do your thing. If you already throw in the towel because of a few external factors (it all depends on others, the land is too expensive, it's the banks, it's the mega farmers, subsidies) it will indeed be difficult. I hear a lot of people about food forests, permaculture, Agroecology but I just don't see much of it. Thinking in solutions and trying to stay optimistic! What you are now preaching for is expropriation of land based on assumptions very violent. Be aware that farming families work the land from generation to generation and that land is also emotion for most farmers. So roll up your sleeves and go for it, nothing can stop you. If you now start working 80 hours a week, you will have saved up your first hectare in a year.
Farmer Dieuwke 4 November 2019
Constructive advice Sjaak! Roll up your sleeves Pipi. That applies to every farmer or farmer's wife, by the way.
Dirk 4 November 2019
Dieuwke, you are mistaken. You should have typed pippi again. Or is that too difficult for you?
Pippi 7 November 2019
Good advice Jack. I'm already working on it believe me. Just to be clear for people who crazy enough think I'm the same person as Dieuwke sorry that's not the case. I'm a man!!!
However, I share many of her views. Great woman. At least she understands.
The CDA now understands it too. That it can't go on like this any longer.
What are you going to do now??? All vote for extreme right parties??? PVD or FVD Do you really think that Wilders or Baudet will stand up for the farmers. Well no. They don't even know the difference between a sheep and a goat. Is simply stupid populist mood-making.
Pippi 7 November 2019
And by the way again just to be clear I'm not for expropriation of farms or anything, and not at all for the closure of age-old farms!! ON THE contrary, I come up with sound and realistic solutions for a pressing problem
shoemakers 1 7 November 2019
but you are in favor that no farmer can still earn an income from his products
Rudi 12 November 2019
I think that if elections were held now, the majority of farmers would vote for FVD or PVV. but not just farmers. the alleged nitrogen crisis affects all of the working Netherlands. I expect the green parties to take a big step back. the shore turns the ship!
not 13 November 2019
Just solved a phosphate deficiency in the livestock. Can we now wait for a nitrogen shortage? But let's go
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quite coarse 14 November 2019
Natura 2000 administrators should be in prison, they do nothing to help with the so-called nitrogen emissions.
If they see such a big problem in this, they should set up their areas with plants and trees that absorb more nitrogen than they do now.
Remove all the oak trees and replace them with some that absorb more nitrogen.
It should be punishable by law to clear, deforestation and impoverishment of nature reserves.
Burning biomass (wood) should also be banned, but is now being promoted and subsidized.
Let nature take its course because it will solve the problems itself.
It takes a while, but it's been going well for billions of years.
Maybe a little short sighted, but think about it.
Ton Westgeest 14 November 2019
Along the entire Dutch coast, the "nature madness" has struck for years, even on the Wadden Islands... The dunes, which have been planted for decades with marram grass, trees and shrubs, had to start dusting again by the biologists and the left-wing rascals. The top layer has been excavated for hundreds of millions and yes, it is dusty again....

But it no longer absorbs CO2 and now they are going to measure nitrogen in the places in the dunes where they deposited the grass and top layer.
People wondered why, while it is almost always a westerly wind, that there is too much nitrogen in the dunes.....

Jesse Klaver was standing there, on Nieuwsuur, in the middle of the sand near Duindorp, he was standing there claiming that it should remain a nature reserve....

How do you get a disrupted nature??? By a disrupted government!!!

We now also have to fill up with E10 instead of Euro95. My car can't stand that and it breaks down. why actually???

The government claims that bioethanol helps to achieve the climate goals!!!! One liter of bioethanol emits 1,5 kilograms of CO2!!!!

How do you get a disrupted nature? By a very stupid government!!!
Mozes 17 November 2019
I hope this isn't a real question, but still:

1. What is the basis of the nitrogen standard, what enormous danger can we prevent?
2. If no one brings up about this, this must be the cause:

Lobbycracy

Every working Dutch person solves his problems every day to earn money for The Hague, they have no lobbyists from banks with countries without equity that want to use farmland as Building land.

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