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Sweltering anticlimax after nitrogen conversation at Remkes

12 August 2022 - Klaas van der Horst - 18 comments

After the meeting on 5 August between a cabinet delegation and LTO Nederland with nitrogen moderator/mediator Johan Remkes, there was a kind of anticlimax this week. The conversation had yielded nothing, because the cabinet did not come up with the expected openings or promises, even though Remkes signaled space. In agriculture, several drivers almost felt cheated. FDF leader Mark van den Oever even threatened the hardest actions ever. It remained quiet. In our new weekly section Nitrogen Mood we give an impression of the nitrogen crisis in our own way.

It is said to have been well massaged for this. An alternative nitrogen plan of 2 emeritus professors from the circle of D66 also shifted the focus. According to their calculations, the nitrogen reduction that the government demands from agriculture can also be met without clearing one animal.
The cabinet and in particular D66 Member of Parliament Tjeerd de Groot have not yet responded to this. The latter is perhaps understandable. Professors Lindeboom and Sanders were once in an agricultural focus group that advised De Groot, but Tjeerd did not receive the advice he wanted to hear and distanced himself from this group.

Remarkable radio silence
Yet De Groot's radio silence is remarkable. He is an avid twitterer and quickly finds a reason, but in the past week there was lag the focus elsewhere.
In the meantime, Van den Oever has changed his mind and 'as a gesture of goodwill' waives further actions, he said. in a video. He may have come to the conclusion that it is not always necessary to push something when processes do all their work themselves.

Evidence to the contrary is piling up
In the background, scientific evidence is piling up against the deposition-driven approach, as propagated by the cabinet (and as rigged by RIVM). Not only TNO wipes the floor with, for example, critical deposition values ​​with 3 decimal places and then also attributable to a specific group of 'culprits'. An increasing number of other studies and experts are doing the same, including the aforementioned Messrs Lindeboom and Sanders. Two things stand out about these experts.

Connected in doubt
The critical voices largely come from experts who are no longer employed by, for example, WUR or other institutes and who are therefore no longer in a government hierarchy, but free of interests.
In addition, these scientists no longer have a problem citing experts who have been banned by mainstream experts, such as Jaap Hanekamp. Scientific doubt about the RIVM line apparently connects.

What is happening in the meantime between the interest representatives and the cabinet? Officially we have to wait for a new round with Rutte's handyman Remkes. Probing conversations are already taking place in the background. LTO Nederland and the other agricultural interest groups (the member organisations) will also meet again next week to further fine-tune their strategy.

Trust must always be renewed
This is necessary, because mutual trust has to be renewed again and again. The LTO leadership quickly finds some of the other organizations radical and difficult and there is a strong urge to negotiate further. The latter is less prevalent among the more critical organizations and the fear persists that LTO will eventually conclude a separate agreement, possibly with the support of a few management clubs, such as Regie op Ruimte and Transitiecoalitie Voeding.   

From deposition to emission?
That fear of an agreement without the critical organizations suddenly received new food last week when it was pointed out that Minister Van der Wal was walking around with area maps that talked about emission policy instead of deposition policy. The question immediately arose as to whether an alternative policy would not be secretly being prepared, now that the current deposition-oriented policy is encountering more and more obstacles. In addition, LTO leader Van der Tak also talked about emissions. Or was that just a slip of the tongue by the Westland greenhouse horticulturist, who is not the strongest in the nitrogen dossier?   

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Klaas van der Horst

Klaas van der Horst is a passionate follower of the dairy market and everything related to it. He searches for the news and interprets the developments.
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Zeeuw 15 August 2022
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url = https: // www.boerenbusiness.nl/melk/ artikel/10900070/broeieerde-anticlimax-na-stikstofspreis-bij-remkes]Sweltering anticlimax after a nitrogen conversation at Remkes[/url]
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
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Zeeuw 15 August 2022
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
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Zeeuw 15 August 2022
Better than NExIT is to tackle the action plan as a sector-wide, as is already known with Schiphol, Port of Rotterdam, etc. Do not wait for the minister, but deploy and score with the province's own plan. This is possible for all provinces!
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Zeeuw 15 August 2022
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
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Zeeuw 15 August 2022
Better than NExIT is to tackle the action plan as a sector-wide, as is already known with Schiphol, Port of Rotterdam, etc. Do not wait for the minister, but deploy and score with the province's own plan. This is possible for all provinces!
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time bomb 15 August 2022
Who wants to learn Zeeuw how to respond to the forum. 1x one can make a mistake, but this ends badly.
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Zeeuw 15 August 2022
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
common sense 16 August 2022
time bomb, Zeeland makes this forum purposely ridiculous

BB: Like politics, the only solution is to anticipate this natural disaster and not to parasitize workers with subjugation standards.
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Zeeuw 16 August 2022
Better than NExIT is to tackle the action plan as a sector-wide, as is already known with Schiphol, Port of Rotterdam, etc. Do not wait for the minister, but deploy and score with the province's own plan. This is possible for all provinces!
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Zeeuw 16 August 2022
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
Subscriber
Zeeuw 16 August 2022
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
Subscriber
Zeeuw 16 August 2022
Better than NExIT is to tackle the action plan as a sector-wide, as is already known with Schiphol, Port of Rotterdam, etc. Do not wait for the minister, but deploy and score with the province's own plan. This is possible for all provinces!
Subscriber
Zeeuw 16 August 2022
Region members must remain super critical of the LTO board. Clap is no longer an issue. There must be an unambiguous policy to enter into negotiations with the province and municipalities on the basis of correct data and targets. If the ministry does not come up with an adapted policy and the incorrect calculation method of the RIVM on 0,001 mol/ha/year instead of 10 or 21 as in Denmark resp. Germany then we have to go to court with a trial trial in the border area with Germany. Even better is to bet on NExIT
Subscriber
Zeeuw 16 August 2022
Better than NExIT is to tackle the action plan as a sector-wide, as is already known with Schiphol, Port of Rotterdam, etc. Do not wait for the minister, but deploy and score with the province's own plan. This is possible for all provinces!
Piet 16 August 2022
Zeeuw, you have a lot of time for a hardworking farmer with great advice..
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Zeeuw 19 August 2022
We stay neat. But, we don't let ourselves eat the cheese off the bread. A government that does not want to listen to science and its inhabitants or target group for policy should be blocked hard. They think democratically, but they act dictatorially. I can understand that if there are no logical alternatives. That doesn't apply here. There are countless alternatives.
Finally, 2 facts that I know for sure:
RIVM has to calculate with Zee NH3 while they have neatly reported to the ministers that this is incorrect = o,o People refuse to adjust. The same goes for the inaccuracy of the deposition measurement with Aerius, TNO results are known to you. Claims are feared, even the Council of State takes decisions on these nonsense measurements!
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Zeeuw 19 August 2022
We stay neat. But, we don't let ourselves eat the cheese off the bread. A government that does not want to listen to science and its inhabitants or target group for policy should be blocked hard. They think democratically, but they act dictatorially. I can understand that if there are no logical alternatives. That doesn't apply here. There are countless alternatives.
Finally, 2 facts that I know for sure:
RIVM has to calculate with Zee NH3 while they have neatly reported to the ministers that this is incorrect = o,o People refuse to adjust. The same goes for the inaccuracy of the deposition measurement with Aerius, TNO results are known to you. Claims are feared, even the Council of State takes decisions on these nonsense measurements!
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Zeeuw 20 August 2022
We stay neat. But, we don't let ourselves eat the cheese off the bread. A government that does not want to listen to science and its inhabitants or target group for policy should be blocked hard. They think democratically, but they act dictatorially. I can understand that if there are no logical alternatives. That doesn't apply here. There are countless alternatives.
Finally, 2 facts that I know for sure:
RIVM has to calculate with Zee NH3 while they have neatly reported to the ministers that this is incorrect = o,o People refuse to adjust. The same goes for the inaccuracy of the deposition measurement with Aerius, TNO results are known to you. Claims are feared, even the Council of State takes decisions on these nonsense measurements!
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