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Talk unconcernedly about shrinking agriculture

13 January 2023 - Klaas van der Horst - 26 comments

About 35 participants were allowed to join the broad consultation on an agricultural agreement on Friday afternoon. They seem to be a kind of control group, to take with them what is forgotten at the main table or one of the side tables. Nevertheless, the government also seems to have made a strategic move with the subdivision into main table and sub tables, consciously or unconsciously. In our weekly section Nitrogen Mood, we give an impression of the nitrogen crisis in our own way.

Look at the table occupation to agriculture. At the main table is the compliant LTO foreman Sjaak van der Tak, a hesitant Agractie, and a NAJK and Biohuis who make little noise. While the pain is not on the main stage, but at the sector tables. Dairy, pig, poultry and veal farming, as well as parts of arable farming, can raise their problems at these tables. Exactly what is discussed in the consultations remains largely confidential, but there are no signs that the pressure on agriculture to give in, shrink and make room has eased.

New insights ignored
It is and will remain as it was since the coalition agreement, despite changing insights into the relative contribution of agricultural emissions. This was recently revealed in an article in the authoritative journal Nature. It states that the effect of internal combustion engines should weigh relatively much more heavily. The other known points should also not be tampered with. It is then all the more surprising that energy companies are allowed to use the nitrogen space of agricultural companies that have not been active for years for gas drilling, as MOB has shown. Or that the Netherlands does not protest against German lignite mining. How artificial should the separation between one bet and the other be?

Most of the House of Representatives also largely ignores the one-sided and ill-founded focus on agricultural emissions. When, as a result of that focus, strange errors come to light, such as a few months ago with the Top 100 nitrogen and ammonia emitters, an external investigation is announced, but action is not forthcoming.

Incorrect data RIVM
RIVM made the lists at the request of GroenLinks Member of Parliament Laura Bromet and went wrong on two occasions. Out now published WOO pieces it turns out that RIVM employees repeatedly based themselves on faulty data. This angered Minister Christianne van der Wal, the House of Representatives and various municipalities. There would be an external investigation to prevent a recurrence. According to the latest information from the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport (VWS), there is still arguing about this.

Clamping livestock farming and participating in it carefree seems to be more important than conducting proper research. One bright spot for agriculture did appear from the published documents, if RIVM is okay with that. According to this, UBN numbers of agricultural companies also fall under the AVG legislation. If so, many agencies still have quite a bit of repair work to do.

Swan clings
In the meantime, informally organized agriculture is increasingly defending itself. After the start of a procedure against the linking of Aerius to the nitrogen legislation, the Stikstofclaim (SSC) and NewMob foundations started a procedure against the repair law for the designation of 101 Natura2000 areas. This, incidentally, had a remarkable effect. Both organizations had barely finished the summons when other agricultural organizations also asked for a copy. Swan clings. Yet not all of LTO object to the new designation of Natura 2000 areas. The ZLTO saw reason to do nothing. 

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Klaas van der Horst

He is a dairy market specialist at DCA Market Intelligence. He researches market news and trends and interprets developments.
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26 comments
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JD 13 January 2023
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url = https: // www.boerenbusiness.nl/melk/artikel/10902483/onbekomerd-doorpraten-over-krimp-agriculture]Continued to talk about shrinkage in agriculture[/url]
SP member of parliament who?

Editor: Thanks for the attention! Directly adjusted.
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sefO 13 January 2023
The D66 monstrosity is standing like a house 6 A 7000 companies, that is the starting point for this cabinet and Sjaak van der Tak (CDA) quietly hobbles along.
If the agricultural sector does not join forces, we are lost.
Sjaak van der Tak is currently more of a divisive person than a representative of the agricultural sector, this must absolutely be stopped.
Unity makes strength is needed now more than ever.
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Gerben 14 January 2023
When will it be accepted that ammonia has a devastating effect on nature!! Only then can solutions be worked on. Agricultural companies must do their share and present their revenue models themselves. Not everything is possible! Tens of percent less cattle, with on the other hand, for example, fair guaranteed milk prices within the EU and volume maximum. Then abolish the paralyzing market forces in the EU. Market forces do not work in the EU anyway. Namely due to abuse of power, the milk price in the Netherlands is almost 10 euros/20 kg higher than in France.
Consumers are screwed by the same abuse of power, obvious restriction of competition. Now that agricultural companies are earning 'gold', you don't hear LTO cs.
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Zeeuw 14 January 2023
Gerben-Tjeerd de Groot of D66 of CU keep playing bowling against the farmers. It is special that so many farmers are now sitting at the table. All, almost all farmers know that NH3 must be reduced. But a fair distribution and no fraudulent figures. Errors of still a deviation of 35% to 100%, so-called mistakes at RIVM, adding new natural chips without any participation, referring PAS reporters to the damage fund, imposing enforcement sums of €50.000, lying about EU regulations, the Province of Overijssel lying at the table , which provinces more….
Solution: suspending all consultations next week until a minimum for PAS reporters is guaranteed. Also Sjaak van der Tak and otherwise join new union or FDF
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Louis Pascal deGeer 14 January 2023
From my common sense I would advise everyone to do NOTHING until there is a DUTCH advice after extensive research has taken place with input from Universities, Institutes and other educational institutions and the agricultural sectors about WHAT our own conclusions are about the problem of Nitrogen ( and CO2), Nature and Agriculture in the broadest sense and WHICH are the recommendations for arriving at a solution.
Brussels and The Hague don't seem to understand anything about it and that's why this recommendation from my consultation bubble, which I am now really comfortable in!
According to the 14 January 2023
The LTO should tackle the so-called nitrogen problem at the root. Namely, why are artificially nitrogen-poor heaths chosen as a reference, and not the originally present deciduous forests? The current natura2000 areas are mostly old heaths that have become low in nitrogen through centuries of nitrogen extraction (sheep manure and sods). It's crazy to take these emaciated nitrogen-poor areas as a reference. It is much more logical to take the deciduous forests present 1000 years ago as a reference. These were relatively rich in nitrogen and have no problem with nitrogen deposition from agriculture, traffic and industry. This would solve the nitrogen problem in one fell swoop. In my opinion, the fact that these kinds of facts are not even a subject of discussion indicates that it is not about nitrogen at all, but only about the reduction of intensive agriculture / livestock farming. With this we are witnessing a kind of show whose outcome is unfortunately already known.

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sea ​​breeze 14 January 2023
So: Sjaak van der Tak, now discuss the basic cause, ask Theo! Otherwise, move and suspend the Main Table meeting.
info 14 January 2023
There is no NH3 problem at all, there is a NOX problem of the week it became clear that there are 9 million cars in Ned. driving around and there were 200.000 in the past year who have more and dirtier emissions than our cattle, nothing is done with this, yes they make them electric, but to make that we also need fuel, so pollution, in which calculation of aeres or rivm we see that again. That does not fit in with the current government, in order to turn this tide of lies and deceit, we will have to vote en masse for other leaders who do understand economics, and we now have the heavy task of encouraging as many citizens as possible to to convince this view
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camp farmer 15 January 2023
Gerben, Will the average citizen also dispose of tens of percent of his fleet? And also 40 percent less flying? Do not think so. And you should take a closer look at the French milk price. A few private companies (with shareholders who want to see a profit) ensure that the milk price is far too low, resulting in an exodus from the countryside.
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Gerben 15 January 2023
@Kempenboer you indicate exactly why the free market principle, acclaimed by everyone, does not work. Therefore abolish it and replace it with a fair guaranteed EU price. Now farmers are earning gold, but next year it will be fruit again at low market prices.
I am in favor of the polluter paying, so pricing, that also applies to driving and flying, etc.
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skirt 16 January 2023
Van der tak is already thinking further. After the LTO, he also wants to have chances again and so not cause too much hassle with politicians now.
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January 16 January 2023
and his son is already mayor
special family, doing everything to get high on the ladder
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Court of Auditors 16 January 2023
Always interesting to see how people think about other people. "do everything to get high on the ladder", "After the LTO he also wants to have opportunities again and so not cause too much hassle with politicians now." What does that say about Jan and Kjol?
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skirt 16 January 2023
Unfortunately, this is almost always the reality in the land of plush sitters.
calculator 16 January 2023
And if a decision is made that is beneficial to agriculture, is it also because it is a plush? Or suddenly not?
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CM 16 January 2023
calculator wrote:
And if a decision is made that is beneficial to agriculture, is it also because it is a plush? Or suddenly not?
You only have to expect one thing from Van der Tak; sign as soon as possible at the cross of the rag that the government will present to him .
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Court of Auditors 16 January 2023
CM wrote:
calculator wrote:
And if a decision is made that is beneficial to agriculture, is it also because it is a plush? Or suddenly not?
You only have to expect one thing from Van der Tak; sign as soon as possible at the cross of the rag that the government will present to him .
Big fluff. Negotiating is an art. There are 2 ways to achieve nothing. The first is if you like everything. The second is if you don't like anything. The optimum is "somewhere" in the middle. But either way you always have to deal with callers on the side who claim anyway that you're just out to "own" the magic plush.
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CM 16 January 2023
Accounting Room wrote:
CM wrote:
calculator wrote:
And if a decision is made that is beneficial to agriculture, is it also because it is a plush? Or suddenly not?
You only have to expect one thing from Van der Tak; sign as soon as possible at the cross of the rag that the government will present to him .
Big fluff. Negotiating is an art. There are 2 ways to achieve nothing. The first is if you like everything. The second is if you don't like anything. The optimum is "somewhere" in the middle. But either way you always have to deal with callers on the side who claim anyway that you're just out to "own" the magic plush.
Negotiating to some extent but not agreeing to totally unreasonable demands. That vd Tak has already proven that he cannot be trusted.
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Gerben 21 January 2023
So less cow dung per hectare as of March 1, 2023. Good thing, then more nitrogen space will also be released. While farmers with 100 dairy cows had about 180.000 euros in extra turnover due to the good milk prices last year, they can also pay a little extra for getting rid of the cow shit. For 16 years the EU has favored farmers. The CDA has not introduced any new policy. Notabene, now Randstedeling V/d Tak is demanding compensation for the extra costs. It shouldn't get crazier at the LTO, a club of subsidy addicts.
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sea ​​breeze 23 January 2023
Gerben, is it true that you suffer from ptsd. Do you have to go to a care farm with a referral. You know, not everyone is allowed there!
Resurrection 30 January 2023
MARCH IS COMING

PVV or Forum for Democracy?

Enough driving on the extreme left liberal rear view mirror our Wallets have been emptied with excuses and fear of each other, PEOPLE INJECTION: before you know it lose each other: AN OFFENSE TO ALL WORKERS WHO ARE ROBBED OF FUTURE AND HERITAGE, A STITCH IN THE BACK AFTER YEARS OF FEEDING OF FARMERS!
herb 30 January 2023
BBB will have to, hope there are enough puppets without ego
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CM 30 January 2023
It's BBB or JA 21 more choices are not there to change. Certainly not a Forum, they have already made themselves so ridiculous.
Resurrection. 2 February 2023
Forum makes itself ridiculous .. what if current politics is not ridiculous, but is a disease of total enslavement and culture destruction in a way that makes the word insane pale?

Ridiculous, but absolutely correct in this context!

The population are The ripened lemmings of the VVD behavioral scientists, 1 THING IS FORGOTTEN:
They do not lose the instinct to eat when the farmers protest and take to the streets with their tractors for the highly trained sick lemmings of this government, sick of one-sided arrogance, sick of their one-sided education, ripe for the slaughter they must arise as Man!

It is no different, these are the rules when a culture is on the brink, wars will result if it turns out that our Christian culture has been exchanged for a culture of subjugation in the name of the Elite.

(History CANNOT excuse a story of guilt and character assassination NETHERLANDS NOW!!!)
Farmers can recover the ratio from the hands of HAAT: this country is sick, these are the rules without behavioral science or other science that can't bear the light of day from OUR CENTS!
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CM 2 February 2023
Resurrection. wrote:
Forum makes itself ridiculous .. what if current politics is not ridiculous, but is a disease of total enslavement and culture destruction in a way that makes the word insane pale?

Ridiculous, but absolutely correct in this context!

The population are The ripened lemmings of the VVD behavioral scientists, 1 THING IS FORGOTTEN:
They do not lose the instinct to eat when the farmers protest and take to the streets with their tractors for the highly trained sick lemmings of this government, sick of one-sided arrogance, sick of their one-sided education, ripe for the slaughter they must arise as Man!

It is no different, these are the rules when a culture is on the brink, wars will result if it turns out that our Christian culture has been exchanged for a culture of subjugation in the name of the Elite.

(History CANNOT excuse a story of guilt and character assassination NETHERLANDS NOW!!!)
Farmers can recover the ratio from the hands of HAAT: this country is sick, these are the rules without behavioral science or other science that can't bear the light of day from OUR CENTS!
Ask the doctor for other pills.
Resurrection. 4 February 2023
Thanks for the substantive response, I'm convinced.
'Before you know it, you'll lose each other'

However? (or do we also need your unheard of pill for that)
You can no longer respond.

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