Limit on number of animals

Rabobank: manure fraud undermines support

31 March 2017 - Esther de Snoo - 29 comments

Rabobank wants to take stronger action against farmers who commit fraud with manure. According to the bank, this is necessary to maintain social support for livestock farming in the Netherlands. 'The limit to the number of animals in certain regions is limited,' says Rien Nagel.

Rien Nagel, member of the Executive Board of Rabobank Nederland, says that manure fraud is mainly a cultural problem in the south of the Netherlands. Nagel: 'Livestock farmers should confront each other if the manure is not deposited properly. That still happens too little. Manure fraud is mainly part of the culture in Brabant and Limburg.' He emphasizes that he does not want to be a police officer, but he does want to use the influence that is possible to tackle manure fraud. 

Rabobank wants to take tougher action against customers

Improvement plan
Rabobank wants to take tougher action against customers who may not sell their manure in accordance with the rules. The accountants normally already discuss the disposal of manure with their customers. If they notice that something is not right, an improvement plan is drawn up with the farmer. It contains a date by which the farmer must have his affairs in order. Nagel: 'We are going to focus even harder on this. Manure fraud entails too great a financial risk and is a danger to the continuity of a company.' 

Limit on the number of animals
Nagel emphasizes that manure fraud puts further pressure on public support for livestock farming. 'There is a limit to the number of animals in the Netherlands. Take the province of Brabant. There the limit of the number of animals has clearly been reached. There is no longer support for the growth of livestock among citizens. As a sector, we have to take this into account. We have to go there to earn more with fewer animals. This can be done by focusing more on the added value of products."

Nagel made his statements on Friday at a meeting for agricultural journalists in Utrecht. 

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Ton Westgeest 31 March 2017
This is a response to this article:
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Fraud is not acceptable, you disadvantage a lot of well-meaning people. But that the Rabo bank is now opening its big mouth again..... Fraud is mainly a cultural problem at banks, so they set a very good example! At banks it is mainly to obtain even more profit, while I can imagine that it is with colleagues because they no longer have a way out financially. Mr Nagel I would keep my mouth shut on such a subject!
Marcel 31 March 2017
Completely agree with you Ton, fraud is apparently very normal at the bank, and then want to say something about others? Mr. Nagel should be ashamed of himself....! The current fertilizer standards are too tight, we are going to develop desert in the Netherlands, so that people use their creativity is because of this, and that is also good for the environment...! But being creative is not a fraud...!
peta 31 March 2017
I also read those fraud allegations in the newspaper today and they came from ministries!
And who say that the farmers are cheating the root ball and therefore the nitrate in places in the Netherlands is above the standard.
The tone has been set again, together with the fools of our former cooperative.
I say bring on your claims and with all those accounting, animal counts and GPS equipment, grab those crooks quickly, big bonuses for the government for economic crimes! If you do not tackle them as a government with your army of control officials, you must remain silent or you risk a lawsuit for defamation. Once it is enough to spread this slander on farmers. Government First take a look at your sewer overflows and leaking pre-war sewers in the old cities. Don't be the big boy in the class bullying the little ones, you pathetic cops! and poor press mosquitoes who also have to fill the spaces between advertisements every day!
Peer 31 March 2017
Fraud is in any case reprehensible and must be punished.
It is strange to say that Rabobank believes it has to announce this so harshly. In recent years, the only stable factor within bank has been fraud. Furthermore, the daily experience is that it is not doing what it was founded for, namely helping Dutch farmers. What they are good at is shouting everything in the media. What an arrogant and sad state.
kees 31 March 2017
I say boycott the Rabobank.
Peer 31 March 2017
Would Rabobank do well if she curtailed her arrogance! There is simply no question of one fraud after another in their own bank and proper financing of the Dutch farmer. Yes, they can say that in the media, but let's face it, this also applies to a bank; " actions rather than words".
But I am at ease, for pride comes before a fall; wait a little longer.

Oh yeah, this isn't a response from a shunned destitute who is frustrated because he can't borrow money
grain 1 April 2017
I wonder why the fertilizer cannot be replaced by animal manure.
Let the Rabobank worry about that
Ton Westgeest 1 April 2017
Yes that is id. Laugh... I have to remove 150 tons of manure, but can bring in 40 tons of fertilizer! How sick can you think of it....
Ton Westgeest 1 April 2017
Yes that is id. Laugh... I have to remove 150 cubic meters of manure, but I am allowed to bring in 40 tons of fertilizer! How sick can you think of it....
Nick 1 April 2017
To supplement Ton's reaction: in 1 cubic meter = approx. 1 ton = 1000 kg of cow manure contains 4 kg of nitrogen. 1000 kg of fertilizer contains 27 % nitrogen = 270 kg!!!

So he has to remove 150 × 4 kg of nitrogen and then may bring in 40 × 270 kg of nitrogen. And that is the Manure Act as we have it here in the Netherlands.
conclusion 1 April 2017
In the spring there is a shortage of shit in the NOP, and then not even all the space is used by some!
yappa 1 April 2017
Manure shortage in the spring can be solved by building a manure storage and filling it up in the autumn/winter. There is plenty to get.
Calvinist 1 April 2017
Have measures already been taken against fraud in the banking system?
Ton Westgeest 1 April 2017
Oh, Mr Nagel, that's what they call fraud at the bank! "added value of products." The usury policies, the fine for transferring a mortgage, the Libor affair, etc. It is becoming increasingly clear to us... but that is really fraud, so ssssttt...... Mr Nagel!
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Gloria 1 April 2017
Manure fraud also occurs in Friesland.
In my case, a chicken farmer from Friesland has managed to register 4 million kilos of chicken feed on our customer number at RVO in 9 years.
We have a purely arable farm with a herd of exactly 2 cats.
mdb 1 April 2017
According to a bank bursting with fraudulent practices
Solve your own shit first but it's gone!!

They think they have an opinion about everything.
Stick to your reads!
Smits 1 April 2017
Just stop with generic policy and tackle problem area (with too high attributable levels) at the root with company-specific derogation.
sand farmer 1 April 2017
Isn't that the bank that the cyclists no longer wanted to be associated with because of financial doping?
Porky 2 April 2017
Stop with that bullshit about manure fraud, 30 to 40% what an imbecile, that would mean that there are also tens of percent more cattle? Thought we had I&R? And let that Rabo bank keep its big face, first wipe your own street clean, why don't you hear them anymore in the commercial of "we are the only one with triple A status" right yes, because of fraudulent acts, fuck off with that rabo bank, they had to detain those guests because of state dangerous activities
Jos beaten 2 April 2017
The bank gets a lot of abuse on this forum. I see. In the meantime, Nagel is right. The number of animals has reached the maximum in Brabant, politics is focusing on shrinkage. The nitrate guideline is achieved everywhere in the Netherlands, except in Brabant and South Limburg. South Limburg has an excuse. We provide the decision-makers with arguments to focus on shrinkage. We are again being subject to additional restrictions in the fertilizer policy. At least that's what we're applying for.. What's the solution? We simply don't have it right. Those who adhere to the rules are now told by the bank that the manure disposal costs are too high and the crop yields too low.
Let the rabo put the deed to the word. Not for the image of
the bank but for the image of us. But it's probably just a boast for the bank's own image.
Jan 2 April 2017
Animals in the Netherlands are kept with Pig rights, Poultry rights, and soon there will also be Phosphate rights for the cows.
Other/free animal species (can still be considered.
Then it is simply a matter of checking, enforcing and sanctioning POINT.
Then there will be no more. However, these animals will end up with fewer and fewer entrepreneurs.
Innovation is only applicable if extra costs can be recovered. The animal numbers law will only have a negative effect.
Improvements only come through innovations.
Brabant gets no further with the animal numbers law, the other 11 provinces understand this and are against this law.
Ton Westgeest 2 April 2017
Yes Jos, then you can also see that the urgency is not very important to politics; politics is committed to contraction. If the urgency is really that high, they have enough power resources like the NVWA. What bothers me the most is that those banks that have really done everything wrong, and not just with fraud, want to talk the farmers into a kind of Nazi practice to betray each other. Nagel: 'Livestock farmers should talk to each other'
The banks have messed up enough already. I will not soon forget that a colleague did not get a mortgage if he started building for 150 cows, but for a barn of 300! Look at where we are now. And then those know-it-alls keep coming back with wise talk. Now Mr. Nagel wants a food minister again, make sure you become a spokesperson for GroenLinks or something, but shut your mouth to turn those farmers against each other!
bookscook 2 April 2017
I even have the idea that our current Secretary of State, after the striking defeat of the elections, is doing everything he can to exploit his power as red-haired regents to the very end against everything that has to do with agriculture. Extremely odious and politically incorrect, but worth remembering!
Frans 2 April 2017
Legions of "smart" Southern farmers still think others don't know their tricks. Halve their supply of phosphate and nitrogen by means of a so-called feed company. Double their discharge by means of a so-called manure separation. Cutting their costs by three quarters in this cunning way. This at the expense of the rest of the Netherlands and abroad. Sadly, these golden times of fraudulent self-enrichment are over. Referring to the fraudulent Rabobank with the finger above is right, just as right as the four fingers pointing at yourself.
of platings 2 April 2017
Frans, explain to me how you cheat with the manure, I might also learn something from it.
of platings 2 April 2017
Frans, I don't have a BV and I don't do manure separation.
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erik 2 April 2017
increase levels artificially, are unreliable to customers and do not get what you count on. It is not for nothing that I have had a permanent relationship with one supplier for years. Not for the most money, but for reliability. Let that sink in to the fraudsters, because they really do exist (only self-interest)
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burke 3 April 2017
After all, Rabo is also Interpolis/Achmea. Talk about fraud.
john 3 April 2017
There is no manure surplus in Germany, because there is much more agricultural land available there. If the RABO bank is so eager to get involved, let them set up an organization where Dutch farmers can dispose of their manure cheaply and legally. they want to be environmentally aware with ships.
bacon steak 19 April 2017
did this message just disappear?
has Rabo withdrawn his droppings?
Or has DCA been called back?
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