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Divided reactions to decommissioned manure rights

24 November 2017 - Jelle Feenstra - 49 comments

The pig farming and dairy farming sectors are reacting dividedly to the plans to make phosphate rights and pig rights interchangeable. For the time being, however, politics has remained silent.

The discussion about the exchange of production rights has flared up again. The reason is a plan by a former dairy farmer and farmer manager Jan Cees Vogelaar† He believes that dairy farmers with sufficient land under their farm should be given the opportunity to buy pig rights.

Varying reactions
Pig farmers react differently to the plan. The stoppers and switches, to a smaller-scale pig farm with more added value, are for the plan. However, the companies that want to build a future are against Vogelaar's idea. There are also stayers in the pig sector who are in favor of the plan, such as Johnny Hogenkamp from Dalfsen (Overijssel). This is reported by Melk van het Noorden magazine.

It provides benefits for both sectors

Hogenkamp has a pig breeding farm with 1.600 sows and 2.600 rearing and finishing pigs. "If pig farming makes room for dairy farming once, this will provide benefits for both sectors. There are many pig farmers today who would like to stop, but are unable to do so financially. A win-win situation can be created on a voluntary basis, both for dairy farmers and pig farmers," says the pig farmer from Dalfsen.

Hogenkamp simply calls the pig herd in the overcrowded and over-regulated Netherlands too large for a healthy income. He therefore advocates a short intervention period, during which hungry dairy farmers can opt for production space from pig farmers who want to stop for a fair price. "After the intervention period, the partitions are put back in place, so that the stayers do not experience any disadvantages."

'Insane and silly plan'
Pig farmer Hans Elshof from Marum (Groningen) is firmly against Vogelaar's plan. "Making rights interchangeable? It is an unnecessary and silly plan. Chickens and pigs emit less methane than cows. And methane is much more harmful than phosphate. So you exchange one problem for another. turn your neck in favor of the other? I don't understand what you want to achieve with it."

Ingrid Jansen, chairman of the Producers Organization Pig Farming (POV), is also against the plan. "By making the rights interchangeable, the production rights disappear from the sector. Room for development is limited, while the costs for the production rights rise. In a sector where the profitability of companies is under pressure, this is an undesirable situation."

The POV does see, however, that it can be interesting for companies that are stopping to make the rights interchangeable. "But we try to make quitting interesting through the Environmental Quality Regulation (ROK). The basic premise of this is that pig farms without a future perspective are linked to farms with prospects. The POV thus has the attention of both the quitters and the companies with a future," says Jansen. .

What is Vogelaar's plan?
Many entrepreneurs in the dairy sector are in favor of the plan, according to responses on various internet forums. Various dairy farmers, such as Jan van Weperen, have also stated that they are in favor of decompartmentalisation. Entrepreneur and director Jan Cees Vogelaar argues for disbursement under a number of conditions. The first condition is that only land-bound dairy farmers can buy pig rights.

Exchange 3,2 million pigs for 300.000 cows

The second condition is that for every allowance that changes from pig to cow, 50% must be skimmed off. He thinks that under these 2 conditions 3,2 million pigs can be exchanged for 300.000 cows. Livestock is shrinking, which should also reduce methane and ammonia emissions. According to Vogelaar's calculations, the national manure surplus will decrease by 40%.

However, not everyone is convinced yet. "We have agreed within LTO, in consultation with the livestock sectors, that the partitions between the sectors will continue to exist. This means that we are currently not in favor of exchanging rights between sectors," said a spokesperson for LTO Dairy Farming.

Politics leaves it to the sector
The political leaders, with agriculture in their portfolio, mainly thought that the sectors should first agree on interchangeability. "After that I am certainly willing to look at it," says Jaco Geurs (CDA). Helma Lodders (VVD) also says that the VVD does not rule out the possibility of removing the bulkheads. "But at the moment we are not in favor." 

Carla Dik-Faber (ChristenUnie) also says that she is not in favor at the moment. "There is still an ongoing discussion within the sectors about the desirability of this plan." The PvdA and the SP have previously announced that they are in favor of the exchange of rights, as long as land-relatedness is not compromised.

CDA MEP Annie Schreijer-Pierik is a strong supporter of the plan. “I see a nice double shot ahead of me. It would give dairy farmers air and space and give pig farmers a warm remediation.”

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49 comments
stammy 24 November 2017
This is a response to this article:
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I think we are forgetting a number of things in this plan, namely: How will dairy farming meet their ammonia and nitrogen ceiling? What about the climate objectives to which the sector has conformed and is there a political majority in the Netherlands at all that will allow the dairy farming sector to expand considerably?
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burke Brabant 24 November 2017
Jan Cees Vogelaar is not honest about maintaining pig rights, he says that it is state aid, and he says nothing about poultry rights, also about beef cattle, which do not need rights until they are at the ceiling I hear nothing By the way, I'm not against the exchange of rights, but then according to the John van Paassen plan, every pig farmer gets a certain percentage, eg 10% exchangeable rights, which he can sell himself whenever and to whomever wants it.
de Boer 24 November 2017
FrieslandCampina is already unable to process the milk.... Will they still have to build a factory :-)
ae 24 November 2017
leave the market alone and let it do its job. Soon the pigs will be fine again and the cows less so. And then the bullshit reappears. Stop the bureaucracy and let the agr. entrepreneur in peace. and not keep sharing with one and not the other. STOP IT. Enough is enough!!
john 24 November 2017
pigs hardly emit methane.. converting every pig right to cattle is one too many.

The phosphate rights system also helps to make dairy farmers land-based. (The land from the stoppers goes to intensive livestock farmers, the rights go to the extensive livestock farmers. By the time dairy farming is land-bound, we'll talk further. Converting pig rights to phosphate rights does not help with the ambition to be land-bound .
Karel 24 November 2017
Scots in between and the price of phosphate rights plummets
Not growing 24 November 2017
There is no room for more milk at all. I think it is high time there was a factory quota based on the reactions.
It's as if many dairy farmers have learned nothing in recent years
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Ronnie 24 November 2017
Many comments are about market protection. One person then cites methane as substantiation, the other insufficient production capacity, etc.
But it was all about not exceeding the phosphate ceiling.
Based on the restrictive phosphate ceiling, why is a mixed company not allowed to switch between the sectors? Why don't POV drivers give a decent answer to this?
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farmer 24 November 2017
Responding to Ronnie means looking ahead, if politics had also done that, they would have been able to arrange something for dairy farming in 2011 so that every dairy farmer could have made the right decision. So the next problem will be nitrogen methane or ammonia, and state aid/market protection of pig farmers
There is also a subsidy on milk when the milk price was above 40 cents. May expand with cows without a green label, while I had to make everything green label for pigs.
south farmer 25 November 2017
not grower wrote:
There is no room for more milk at all. I think it is high time there was a factory quota based on the reactions.
It's as if many dairy farmers have learned nothing in recent years


I thought so too. History can keep repeating itself apparently. Unbridled urge to expand that eventually leads to complete poverty. Fortunately, the government is still there....
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ronnie 25 November 2017
@ Boereke, that's fine, but then you have to make different rules.
And say that it is about protecting your own market. I wonder if this is allowed in Europe?
Dirk 25 November 2017
If we now first give the mixed farms the opportunity to choose between pigs or cows, it seems to me that no one else as the "owner of the rights" can decide on the choice, which direction he develops his company, it is not possible such that an entrepreneur may be held hostage by a sector
Dirk 25 November 2017
If we first give the mixed companies the opportunity to make a choice, there are many farmers who participate in the stoppage scheme, it would be a good time to give these companies that cannot meet the expensive obligations (air scrubber) a give them the opportunity to specialize, by converting their own rights, it is not allowed that they are personally held hostage by a sector interest
Hertha 25 November 2017
Ingrid of the POV, the ROK is a pocket money and not everyone is eligible for this. Let the pig farmer decide for himself where he/she sells his rights, we as pig farmers don't decide where you should sell your house either.
Bertus 25 November 2017
Am against the exchange of Pig Rights, the dairy farming simply needs a cold clean-up. Then enough phosphate is released for the stayers. This also gives more perspective for the longer term. We pig farmers do not have to solve the problem of dairy farming. Our sector has undergone significant restructuring over the past ten years.
Bertus 25 November 2017
Am against the exchange of Pig Rights, the dairy farming simply needs a cold clean-up. Then enough phosphate is released for the stayers. This also gives more perspective for the longer term. We pig farmers do not have to solve the problem of dairy farming. Our sector has undergone significant restructuring over the past ten years. As far as I'm concerned they should be able to remove the detonation as well.
andre vw 25 November 2017
There is a proverb.

You shouldn't sell the hide until the bear is shot.
I'm also a dairy farmer, but I still don't have a black and white picture of what phosphate rights I have.
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curly tail 25 November 2017
They may be both manure production rights, but pig rights and phosphate rights relate to a completely different target group. One right is for the pig farmer, the other for the cattle farmer. You cannot keep cows with a pig right and vice versa.
Compare it with fuel: Diesel and petrol are both fuels, but with one fuel you can drive a car with a diesel engine and with the other a car with a petrol engine.
You can throw diesel in a petrol car or petrol in a diesel car, but you can't drive it.
grad 25 November 2017
Bertus if you think like this, then the manure problem will also solve itself without manure fraud and manure dumping
John 25 November 2017
Don't forget that the POR scheme is about to end. In pig farming, more rights will have to be used again.
In addition, it is questionable whether pig farmers will improve financially if the rights are sold, because half of the profit often already goes to the tax authorities and the rest to the bank. And then you still have a residual debt.
Jan Veltkamp 25 November 2017
20 or 30 years ago when the chickens got into trouble, the cattle farmers didn't give up. Then it was the turn of the pigs. No compassion from the cattle farmers. Now it's the cattle farmers' turn and everyone has to move out for the cows. And the argument that cows are more profitable than pigs and chickens does not hold up because then we would be better off stopping cattle immediately and make all the land suitable for arable farming.
Jan Veltkamp 25 November 2017
Mink farming is obliged to stop in 2024. Let them start to (warmly) remediate the mink farming. And as written above in cattle farming, no one thinks about methane anymore. At the moment it is still the phosphate, but as soon as this is in order, the nitrogen will come and if that is also in order, then the methane. In other words, due to clearing, there will be more cows now, but also larger skimming in the future.
dairy/arable farming 25 November 2017
The intensive livestock industry still forgets why it is called that, according to the reactions above. Cattle farming, together with arable farming, has had to sacrifice space for animal manure for years. You may wonder which came first, the chicken or the egg, but we will still have to solve it together and take the partitions out is one of them in my opinion.
abalo 25 November 2017
Is particularly market-oriented; supply of pigs will decrease and a 1% decrease will guarantee more than a 1% price increase for the stayers. Pig price is more elastic than milk price
martin 25 November 2017
I am a pig farmer and I am in favor of the plan, while I do not intend to stop for the time being. I sometimes wonder which part of the pig farmers are for or against.
KIP 25 November 2017
The chickens are once again forgotten!
Can we also buy pig rights, Would that be just as fair.
The push is also gone, so rights are again far too expensive to the detriment of the young entrepreneur.
anne 26 November 2017
the idea of ​​converting a maximum of 1 million pig rights into cows.
and agree to sell a maximum of 300 rights per pig farmer to a cow farmer. is to give all pig farmers something extra.
but farmers give each other something? that has yet to be invented.
sand farmer 26 November 2017
The ceiling has been breached by dairy farming. Let them ensure that it stays below, and not come up with the only solution with buying off their own exceedances again. Chicken and pig sector are entrepreneurs, they will survive. Do not have to add the cost-increasing influence of dairy farming. Don't forget that there are also extenders in the pig farming sector, they are probably not waiting for more expensive rights due to milk influences.
Gerard Groot Koerkamp 26 November 2017
Please stop with this nagging for once, exchanging is just theft. The discussion alone has already cost me 30.000 euros extra when purchasing pig rights. How good for the pig farming sector. Hogenkamp by constantly raising this discussion you prove the sector not a good service and this is starting to look more and more like a stupid Zwarte Piet discussion.
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Jan 26 November 2017
@Gerard, another one who only thinks of himself, but accuses someone else of this.
skeptic 26 November 2017
There will be more and more proponents in the near future because the stoppers will soon certainly go if the pig prices fall or they earn less.
these will then be ahead to be able to cheer more for the rights
think about 2020 they are going to be so expensive than when the stopper rights are divided 1x by the hungry pig barons
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Ronnie 26 November 2017
@ Gerard, you are right. This discussion must end. Now let the POV have a vote among the pig farmers. Then all together with the result. End discussion and everyone can continue.
Peters 26 November 2017
Poor Gerard. Had to buy expensive rights for his expansion by 1000 pigs. Loses 30.000 euros extra on an investment of half a million, which is 6%. His entire company is worth several tons more due to the increase in the value of rights. In combination with substantial annual profits, Gerard easily gets financing and can earn even more. However, it remains very annoying for Gerard that a number of colleagues who quit receive an extra tip.
shoemakers1 27 November 2017
point 1, is there a quota for something on the world market, they want us to produce for the world market, so also world market rules. Not so hard
MR 27 November 2017
More than 20 years ago, everything was covered by phosphate rights, chicken, cow, pig, rabbit, etc. Phosphate is phosphate and that's what it's all about.
Suddenly there was a ban on the phosphate trade and we as pig farmers had to figure it out.
Then the pigs, the chickens came and the rest didn't need anything, just put the manure.
And now the pig rights should go to the cows??
The stayers can no longer grow in a healthy way and for most quitters it does not matter, after repayment of the bank and paying taxes there is nothing left.
Then just get rid of all rights and quota and go for the world market.
Gerard Groot Koerkamp 27 November 2017
I would like to respond to a few comments. We have an average pig farm. I am 65 years old and I will continue because I cannot stop financially yet. not exactly a pig baron! I do want to give my company successor a chance and he does not benefit from high prices for pig rights. Why should I be in favor of an exchange in favor of an anonymous dairy farmer at the expense of my own son? quitting dairy farmer who benefits from high prices for phosphate rights. During the discussions about vital pig farming, a large majority of pig farmers indicated at all meetings that they were against conversion. you magnify the problem.
south farmer 27 November 2017
MR wrote:
More than 20 years ago, everything was covered by phosphate rights, chicken, cow, pig, rabbit, etc. Phosphate is phosphate and that's what it's all about.
Suddenly there was a ban on the phosphate trade and we as pig farmers had to figure it out.
Then the pigs, the chickens came and the rest didn't need anything, just put the manure.
And now the pig rights should go to the cows??
The stayers can no longer grow in a healthy way and for most quitters it does not matter, after repayment of the bank and paying taxes there is nothing left.
Then just get rid of all rights and quota and go for the world market.


I personally also think that the shoe pinches well here. As if the pig and chicken sector didn't already have enough problems, they can also solve someone else's with alms as a thank you. In contemporary life they have a very nice word for that...
Super breeder 27 November 2017
Crazy that we are called pig baron. The dairy sector has shown in recent years that many dairy cattle wanted to become barons with all the consequences that entails
john 27 November 2017
unfortunately the pig price is not determined in the Netherlands but in europe or even worldwide. Die few pigs less are really not going to give us the higher prices to compensate for higher duty prices.

the price of the rights is linked to the manure disposal costs. manure disposal costs low = duty prices high and vice versa. Pig rights to the dairy cattle give more manure (nitrogen).. so manure disposal costs will rise rather than fall. So as a permanent farmer you will be caught twice.

Dairy farmers with sufficient land have the means to pay high duty prices because they have low fertilizer disposal costs. On the other hand, we also have many intensive dairy farmers who have high fertilizer disposal costs and benefit from lower fertilizer disposal costs by purchasing land. Let the stopping dairy farmers first divide the land and rights so that the sector is in balance. Evaluate everything in about 5 years and see if it makes sense to exchange rights. If a dairy farmer wants to grow, it will be a hassle, for every extra cow that is a piece of land, a straight, a stable and a cow.
wig maker 27 November 2017
Immediately abolish phosphate rights, chicken rights and pig rights.
Make livestock farming land-based or reintroduce fertilizer sales contracts.
Arable farming has long been a victim of derogation and fraudulent practices by the manure intermediaries.
Immediately prohibit fertilizing soils with a PW number above 100.
Too crazy for words that the fertilization standards on clay are lower than the fertilization standards on sand due to the derogation, while these soils are already minerally saturated.
bacon steak 27 November 2017
get out of here!!! growing as a pig farmer is no longer desirable. rather build up some capital with rights to sell, even though I want to continue for at least another 20 years!!!
bacon steak 27 November 2017
john wrote:
Don't forget that the POR scheme is about to end. In pig farming, more rights will have to be used again.
In addition, it is questionable whether pig farmers will improve financially if the rights are sold, because half of the profit often already goes to the tax authorities and the rest to the bank. And then you still have a residual debt.
not if they approach the value of cattle phosphate!!.
rather build up wealth without having to grow in numbers against better judgment.
koentje 27 November 2017
Scots out immediately. Of the 4500 pig farms that are still there, 1500 to 2000 will close between now a number of years.
These all have an interest in a high price of rights.
Do all these stoppers have to sit on a stick for those few big pig barons who are never big enough anyway.
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Ronnie 27 November 2017
@Gerard, it's also fine if you're for or against, to each his own.
But it is of course strange when a small club of pig farmers in a small room decides it for the rest. You shouldn't want that with everyone.
And your son's future really doesn't get any worse if a 20%-25% of the rights are converted.
I myself will continue for at least 20 years and have no idea whether I have a successor. But I do give something to someone else (pig farmers).
john 27 November 2017
collectively surrendering 10% rights means lower sales costs for the manure and higher rights prices.. that is justifiable.
Frans 27 November 2017
John apparently did not know Van Aartsen and Brinkhorst. They stole 10% of the rights for nop and initially even wanted 25%. Without huge farmer protests, this 25% would have been their prelude to much more. That never again! 10% becomes 25% and then the same thing that happened to the mink farmers. I would like to offer my 3000 sow places for 400 euros per right, but I do have other hobbies. However, never theft.
xx 28 November 2017
collectively handing in 10% is completely crazy without compensation.
This must be a different John I assume. (animal protection?)
pig farmer 28 November 2017
At € 200 kg P then more than € 8000 in cow right
with milk quota they were converted even more expensive
if you miscalculated.
But okay with 10 pigs on 1 "cow right" say
approx. €800 per pig right x 50% discount than €400 net
then the person who wants to stop can remediate warmly and costs the government
no further money, but these can support the remediation
by taking care of demolishing old barns or converting for other ones
destinations possibly that fit in the countryside
then everything is well arranged and possibly after 2020 (end of stopper arrangement) you can discuss
whether it is necessary to put the Scots in again
successor 29 November 2017
pig farmer wrote:
At € 200 kg P then more than € 8000 in cow right
with milk quota they were converted even more expensive
if you miscalculated.
But okay with 10 pigs on 1 "cow right" say
approx. €800 per pig right x 50% discount than €400 net
then the person who wants to stop can remediate warmly and costs the government
no further money, but these can support the remediation
by taking care of demolishing old barns or converting for other ones
destinations possibly that fit in the countryside
then everything is well arranged and possibly after 2020 (end of stopper arrangement) you can discuss
whether it is necessary to put the Scots in again
that's how I see it too!
silent takeover of rights is not a problem, and I would also rather see rights and be accepted as a pig farmer than a rat race to the bottom due to economies of scale,
Kukuleku 29 November 2017
@successor. If you are an only child you are absolutely right but most successors are not.
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