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Angry Agriculture Collective stops consultation with Schouten

1 April 2020 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 40 comments

The Agriculture Collective is furious with agriculture minister Carola Schouten. A consultation between the minister and a delegation from the collective today has yielded nothing. In fact, the Agricultural Collective has the feeling that everything in the nitrogen policy has already been pre-cooked and that it has no influence whatsoever on the measures.

The Agricultural Collective therefore suspends consultations with the minister. The association of 13 advocates in the agricultural sector reports in a statement that it is 'seriously disappointed' in the consultations with Schouten. "The cards in The Hague seem to have been shuffled as early as 2019. It doesn't seem like the minister wants to make a strong case for the sector on important points and come up with real solutions. Even in this special period of the corona crisis, where the nitrogen concentration in the air has fallen sharply and food supply is more crucial than ever, the government wants to push through the 2019 agenda."

Two lines in nitrogen policy
The Agricultural Collective notes that the cabinet is following two lines in its nitrogen policy. On the one hand, the Ministry of Agriculture has intensively consulted with the Agricultural Collective about the nitrogen reduction plan formulated by the agricultural sector itself and presented on 20 November 2019. On the other hand, the cabinet is developing its own guidelines with, for example, the Nitrogen Emergency Approach Act, which includes requirements for reducing nitrogen emissions via animal feed.

According to the collective, during the consultations, it appeared that Schouten still wants to introduce low-protein feeds for everyone via this Emergency Act. "And that in the midst of the corona crisis, where farmers and partners in the food chain have something else on their minds and cannot even be properly informed or supported. Not only incomprehensible for us as the Agricultural Collective, but also irresponsible," it emphasizes. covenant. She points out that ideas from the collective on this point, in addition to low-protein feed, for example grazing more and spreading manure mixed with water, are always "legally paralyzed" from the ministry.

No appreciation for effort
The Agricultural Collective also regrets that Schouten's agricultural sector is not appreciated for the efforts the sector is making to limit ammonia emissions. According to the agricultural advocacy groups, the ministry attributes the 1 kT goal of savings imposed by agriculture for this year, which has already been achieved by keeping fewer animals and less protein in the feed, to 'developments that normally already occur'.

The collective also refers to the reorganization scheme for pig farming, which will cause approximately 10% of the number of pig farms to stop. "Ensuring these reductions is made legally impossible," according to the collective. "For example, it is impossible for agriculture to cash in on all its efforts."

Schouten regrets step Agriculture Collective
Minister Schouten says in a statement from the cabinet that he regrets the step taken by the Agricultural Collective. According to her, a lot has been discussed and realized in recent months." "It is especially important now to come to solutions for the nitrogen problem and the future of a strong, economically healthy agricultural sector." She keeps the door open for the collective to talk to each other again.

According to the cabinet, it is in line "as much as possible" with the measures proposed by the Agricultural Collective, such as low-protein feed, more grazing and diluting manure with water. The Ministry of Agriculture also emphasizes that the starting point when buying livestock farms is always voluntary. The external netting of livestock farms will only be made possible if sufficient safeguards have been built in. 

Wildwest in purchase of nitrogen space
The latter is also one of the main points of the Agricultural Collective, which fears a wild west in the purchase of nitrogen space at companies, as the province of Noord-Brabant recently showed. This will erode Dutch livestock farming. According to the collective, the provinces, united in the IPO, have indicated that they first want to discuss this with the agricultural sector. Minister Schouten did promise to arrange a general pardon for the so-called PAS reporters and other companies that wrongly do not yet have a nature permit as soon as possible.

According to the Agricultural Collective, major points of contention also include the retention of the latent space in permits, which is still under discussion. An adequate nitrogen registration system, in which ammonia is separated from nitrogen dioxide, also encounters major objections from the cabinet, according to the collective. And no concrete agreements have yet been made about what the collective describes as "appropriate rewards for the pig farming industry for their nitrogen space supplied from the warm remediation."

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smart ass 1 April 2020
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/mest/ artikel/10886505/boos-landbouw-collectief-stopt-overleg-met-schouten]Boos Agriculture Collective stops consultation with Schouten[/url]
and who is currently ensuring that there is enough food?
that there is always enough food?

look what a panic there was last week when there was less in the stores

it's not possible now but otherwise you just had to throw things flat again

what a bad minister
"minister against agriculture"
jochem 1 April 2020
Can you only comment.

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Bert 1 April 2020
It is now time to stop supplying food, now to shut down food supplies.
Time to go against the government together with border farmers so that supply is not possible either!
Karel 1 April 2020
Let's ignore corona rules, shut down that food supply. Then go to war
grunt 1 April 2020
has always said about Schouten we as farmers are of no use at all ChristenUnie is green left with a Christian sauce, this puts them in the rank of Brinkhorst, who also only belittled the sector and saddled with impracticable rules
howl 1 April 2020
HIGH time to stop selling agricultural products to customers guarantees that something will be arranged for us and whoever is against it should respond to this I challenge everyone, come on in
howl 1 April 2020
HIGH time to stop selling agricultural products to customers guarantees that something will be arranged for us and whoever is against it should respond to this I challenge everyone, come on in
Jan 1 April 2020
No more labor migrants are allowed to enter the Netherlands. Do business with German customers as much as possible. Raise this in the Dutch media. The Netherlands does not value the Dutch agricultural sector. I wonder if they keep the shelves in Dutch supermarkets full. They are already struggling to keep them up
Burger feels cheated 1 April 2020
Rutte is now sewing care and later he will press a dagger in the back just like the farmers
peter34 1 April 2020
Who cares that the cards were already shuffled. That is not Schouten, but a foolish judge and shit for Brussels and lobbyists. Schouten only carries out what has been arranged by impractical people. And what is it about? For the biodiversity in arbitrarily determined Natura 2000 areas, Brussels regulation.
What kind of biodiversity is there at all to be found in the Oostvaardersplassen and the IJsselmeer? When Amsterdam sewers discharged into the IJsselmeer, there was more life in the water than there is now.
It all comes down to the idea that nature cannot regulate itself and that manufacturability pursues a realistic goal. Well, we see that now. But KLM and Schiphol are kept afloat with tens of billions, just pay attention. As if those companies don't destroy a lot, because that is allowed for the sake of 'the economy'. What economics?
??? !!! 1 April 2020
Shall we dump the surplus potatoes and two weeks of milk together with manure in The Hague?

Then everyone should hoard, except politics.

howl 1 April 2020
† wrote:
Shall we dump the surplus potatoes and two weeks of milk together with manure in The Hague?

Then everyone should hoard, except politics.

yes immediately we have nothing to lose right???!!! wrote
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paul 1 April 2020
Flattening the food chain is very dangerous and you will hit the citizen with it. We have to touch politics. This works best if many entrepreneurs give up their confidence in politics, measure this widely and start withdrawing at least €10.000 in cash. The banks will beg Rutte to reverse all corrupt measures.
Bertus Buzzer 1 April 2020
According to the agricultural collective, agriculture has already made nitrogen gains recently. But Minister Carola Schouten thinks it right that it cannot be booked in. This also applies to the 'nitrogen gain' due to the coronavirus, which the collective already wants to book! I find the latter especially bizarre. Nor does it indicate a long-term solution. The nitrogen reduction plan that the agricultural collective presented on 20 November 2019 does not do that either. It is also expensive, offers no guarantees and, for example, does not mention ecological agriculture or at least ecologically responsible agriculture, which is necessary, given the coronavirus pandemic!
See also (open URL): bit.ly/3bJCBfE
curly tail 1 April 2020
that last @paul will be hard to achieve, but it's a fantastic idea.
??? !!! 1 April 2020
paul wrote:
Flattening the food chain is very dangerous and you will hit the citizen with it. We have to touch politics. This works best if many entrepreneurs give up their confidence in politics, measure this widely and start withdrawing at least €10.000 in cash. The banks will beg Rutte to reverse all corrupt measures.
Once Paul, you hit the citizen. You only get to politics if you hit the citizen: a demonstration has taught them nothing, on the contrary.

But the plan to blow up the financial system: OF COURSE!! FANTASTIC!!!

(With this you hit the citizen, directly and very intensively: they are immediately broke when it becomes clear that the 'normal' currencies turn out to be worth nothing.)

hyperinflation as a solution for agriculture: genius!

Let us know when the bank run starts!!!
agripower 1 April 2020
I already tried... the next day the branch was closed. can you talk to an ATM or a computer....
down below 1 April 2020
A bank run? Is that going to roll back the rules?

I don't think there is a 10K record for most of us, by the way.
Then propose not to pay the repayment and (exorbitantly high) interest.

But you can't cancel that after the automatic debit.

It remains a devil's dilemma.
curly tail 1 April 2020
we no longer even have to pay those repayments from our big friends at the bank.

Perhaps the stock markets will do their job and governments will soon be able to use their surplus money again to rescue banks and vital companies such as airlines.
Eric Arend 1 April 2020
It's laughable that @BertusBuizer thinks ecological agriculture is necessary as an answer to the corona virus, which was caused because the Chinese like to eat bats. Moreover, all the hope in the world is now pinned on pharmaceutical companies that have to help the coronavirus to another world with chemical control (a vaccine). In Buizer's view, we must therefore choose to build up immunity (because natural selection is very ecological) where we can bury the elderly and vulnerable in this world..........
??? !!! 1 April 2020
communication: impressing on society that money can never be given for free with impunity.
When this will be reinforced by IMAGE of the withdrawal of banknotes, politics will start playing again. (DO NOT HAMSTER!)
The result was certainly (temporarily) hoarding!
With real euros, hoarding is fatal for the system: never forget that DSB went bankrupt due to a (call for) bank run.

if the rules are reversed, then anarchy is before rules. nitrogen is the last thing anyone will ever think about.
Frans 1 April 2020
If everyone here would do what he says tomorrow..... It will be a hoot again and The Hague knows that too.
Bertus Buzzer 1 April 2020
@Erik Arend, In ecologically responsible agriculture, for example, no forests are cut for the production of animal feed. Deforestation drives wild animals out of their habitat, making it easier for them to come into contact with humans.
Professor Kate Jones, Chair of Ecology and Biodiversity at University College London (UCL), says of the logging of forests and the pressure on different habitats and ecosystems: "The smaller habitats for animals, the closer they get to humans, the bigger they are. the chance that diseases will be transmitted."
See (open URL): bit.ly/3bJnB16

A zoonosis such as the coronavirus is a disease carrier that passes from animals to humans and can spread like wildfire.
This was also the case with, among other things, swine fever and Q fever as a result of intensive livestock farming.
See (open URL): bit.ly/2USLfBz
There you can also read that the bat is not the culprit regarding the corona virus.
peta 1 April 2020
Dear Bertus, you shouldn't ramble on with leftist theoretical bonkers science. The practice is that in the past, with the many small farmers with a few pigs and goats, swine fever, foot-and-mouth disease and TB occurred much more often than in our present time!
So stop with this baseless trash spraying on livestock farming. Animals have the wonderful property that they convert human indigestible protein into meat and manure, something that vegan food cannot do without, dear Bertus. Stop selectively rambling theoretically without a sense of reality.
Eric 2 April 2020
What does the Collective know as whining and spoiled children. Their proposals were paper thin and flimsy. The minister, on the other hand, is heading for measures that are effective and that do reduce ammonia production. That will hurt every now and then. But all buy-out arrangements are already in place, the sector will be amply compensated as always. Something other professions can only dream of. So what will the agricultural sector do? Mature thinking about effective measures, or unjustly nagging like Calimero?
Ruud Beijer 2 April 2020
If the farmers do not vote for the PVV or the FvD next year, they will lose everything.
Piet 2 April 2020
Oh well, Carola has done it again. Eric is right: a collective adolescent reaction of the collective, which does not get its way.
Gijs 2 April 2020
Mesdag was completely wrong; troublemakers. Carola, the NL State is right on its side. Ammonia makes Corona more dangerous for the weak.
happy piglet 2 April 2020
Bert Buizer wrote:
@Erik Arend, In ecologically responsible agriculture, for example, no forests are cut for the production of animal feed. Deforestation drives wild animals out of their habitat, making it easier for them to come into contact with humans.
Professor Kate Jones, Chair of Ecology and Biodiversity at University College London (UCL), says of the logging of forests and the pressure on different habitats and ecosystems: "The smaller habitats for animals, the closer they get to humans, the bigger they are. the chance that diseases will be transmitted."
See (open URL): bit.ly/3bJnB16

A zoonosis such as the coronavirus is a disease carrier that passes from animals to humans and can spread like wildfire.
This was also the case with, among other things, swine fever and Q fever as a result of intensive livestock farming.
See (open URL): bit.ly/2USLfBz
There you can also read that the bat is not the culprit regarding the corona virus.
How did swine fever spread to humans?
Bertus Buzzer 3 April 2020
@Happy pig, Swine fever is also spreading like wildfire (African swine fever even more than classical swine fever), but is not a zoonosis.
Bertus Buzzer 3 April 2020
@petatje, Epidemics don't take right or left into account.

One of the major sources of swine fever contamination is the wheels of trucks that have delivered pigs to countries where this terrible animal disease is prevalent. But the main risk is the supply of pigs.

In the Q fever epidemic between 2007 and 2010, the organic companies excelled! The percentage of infected farms in the organic sector was a factor of 4 lower than in conventional farms. The organic farmers – as Biojournaal wrote on 23 July 2010 – are convinced that the lower contamination is directly related to the goats' higher resistance to animal diseases. Organic goat farmer Gerrit Verhoeven: “Our goats have more resistance because they go outside and graze in the meadow every day. Nice sun, fresh air, lots of grass and hay every day, that makes our goats strong and happy. This way they get sick less quickly and you need less medication. It is time for the Netherlands to hear about this.”
See (open URL): bit.ly/2UzI0jB










Gijs 3 April 2020
Are there any indications that the Coronavirus is passed from animals to animals, for example from humans to pigs or chickens or goats or cows?
Bertus Buzzer 3 April 2020
@Gijs,

Cats and other animals can become infected with the new coronavirus from their owners, but reports of this are rare. Transmission from pets to humans has not yet been established. That can be read in an article today (April 3) in NRC.

"Cats, especially young cats, are susceptible to infection with the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. Infected cats can also infect conspecifics. Dogs are much less susceptible to the virus, and pigs, chickens and ducks are not at all. cats are also ferret sensitive.

This emerges from a series of contamination tests by scientists at the veterinary research institute in Harbin, China. Their results have been preprinted on the public server bioRxiv, and will be published later in a scientific journal."
See (open URL): bit.ly/2RaovMh
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smart ass 3 April 2020
only animals with the surname buzzer can infect
man you are stupid

go and have fun with your wife or something, but think she doesn't like you, you would have a man like that in your house every day
Gijs 3 April 2020
Thanks Bert, valuable information. People live too close to countless animals.
rule maker 4 April 2020
So Bertus is for a ban on keeping pets in the house?
Gijs 4 April 2020
#rule creator. Ban pets in the city, in a flat, etc. immediately: this is antisocial and selfish
Roy 5 April 2020
with organic farming alone, billions of people will die Bertus Buizer. It is outrageous that this nitrogen nonsense is used to give the indoctrinated minister free rein.
Gijs 6 April 2020
Come up with arguments Schoenmaker1! Supply and demand is an economic law. People don't want to be poisoned or cheated, another psychology fact. That is your own fault: producing too much like a headless chicken and then also bringing nature to the buttons. The boomerang will come. The polluter pays.
shoemakers1 6 April 2020
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