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Are there two standards in nature?

10 February 2020 - Boerenbusiness - 51 comments

The newspapers say big: We are going to plant tens of thousands of trees to capture more CO2 and thus save the climate. Last Tuesday, February 4, Minister Schouten presented her vision on the future of Dutch forests, entitled 'State and provinces: 10% more forest in the Netherlands'.

A growing forest with trees absorbs CO2 and supplies oxygen (the carbon dioxide assimilation). A mature forest is unfortunately almost in balance. The oxygen that the trees provide in the growing season, they absorb again in the winter due to the rotting of the leaves and dead trees. All climate activists, environmental organizations and the media label this as the solution to the 'climate problem'. Agriculture must make way for nature. What an incomprehensible world.

Crop absorbs more
Do we realize that all common agricultural crops also absorb CO2 and return oxygen? One hectare of agricultural crops absorbs even more CO2 than one hectare of forest. One hectare of nature reserve is CO2 neutral, because a nature reserve absorbs just as much CO2 as it emits.

Politicians say about agricultural crops, which absorb much more CO2, how polluting is agriculture. All CO2 absorbed by agriculture is simply not counted. They only include emissions. That is now measuring with 2 measures. Only measure with the values ​​that work in favor of politics.

Then I read that when all people have left the Netherlands and all agriculture, industry and traffic have left the Netherlands, most Natura2000 areas will still receive too much nitrogen for the desired plant vegetation that the environmental organizations are aiming for. In short, what the environmental organizations wish and pursue is completely unrealistic and can never be implemented. By the way, that our livestock production emits too much nitrogen are assumptions and there is no proof whatsoever.

Multibreeding not to blame
Extensive research has been carried out in Drenthe into the nitrogen deposition and ammonia dispersion of 5 dairy farms adjacent to the northern side of Natura2000 area Dwingelderveld. It turned out that livestock farming was not at all to blame, but The Hague did not allow this report to be made public.

Wouldn't it be better for the environment if we turn the Natura 2000 areas into agricultural land (after all, the objectives can never be achieved anyway) and areas where forests are planted? And then - if people have enough food - grow raw materials for the power plants? After all, the CO2 emissions of the power plant are then compensated by the CO2 that the agricultural crops absorb again. After all, in nature everything has to be a closed cycle.

Mineral cycle
Another strange story: If an agricultural crop is made into biofuel, the CO2 tax is zero. Completely clean fuel with zero CO2 tax, according to the government. If this same agricultural crop is used for our daily food, this crop does have a large CO2 emission, according to the government. How is this possible? Same crop, same fertilizer, same seed?

The farmer loses in his mineral cycle all the minerals that are in the products that he supplies to the consumer. That is why he has to buy fertilizers to make his cycle sound, because we humans buy his products but do not return minerals to the farmer. We humans are the waster. And then blame the farmer.

Climate activist, nature organization and media: you return nothing to nature but pollution and waste. You also do not return anything to the farmer. Shame on you. I'm ashamed of it.

Jaap Major
Low Zuthem

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51 comments
John Veltkamp 10 February 2020
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/column/10885824/wordt-er-in-de-natuur-met-2-maten-meteren]Does nature use two measures?[/url]
@Jaap, I already sent this a few times to people in The Hague. Just not as nicely worded as you do.
Try to send this piece to all parties in The Hague and to Greenpeace because they sometimes piss past it.
clayi 10 February 2020
in Austria, the farmers receive between 300 and 600 euros per ha according to the cultivation they put in as compensation for the co2 storage
southwest boerke 10 February 2020
tell this to the people at Jinek tonight. I don't think you can get in, the Netherlands is so hypocritical now.
Jos 10 February 2020
Well said jaap I hope the citizens wake up one day before it's too late
Eastern Wisdom 10 February 2020
Great article. Most media only tell half the truth. People keep talking about circular agriculture, but animals cannot do otherwise than cycle. For example, all nitrogen emitted by agriculture is absorbed first. † So RIVM forgets to mention how much nitrogen is absorbed by agriculture before it emits it again. The Fossil fuels, on the other hand, do not know any cycle (At least not a short cycle). Everything that has been stored in millions of years is now pumped into the atmosphere within 100 years without any cycle in return). The CO2 is only a real problem. Halving agriculture also means less CO2 capture and less oxygen production. Don't understand why this truth remains so underexposed. Lots of plant growth (Photosynthesis) is very good for the environment, it works like a vacuum cleaner.
nature producer 10 February 2020
pine forests wither due to lack of food and minerals,
maintenance consists of cutting down the thickest pine and the branches are sawn off and left to rot.
yes, the forests have not been properly maintained in the past 50 years.... they have been cleared and felled and not properly planted and fertilized again.

30 years ago, at the request of a forest owner, I brought 15m3 of cattle manure into his forest, code 14; this resulted in a lot of police visits and me an official report. After that, someone from the hijdemij was sowing fertilizer on this spot.
So you can see that people are willing to do anything for the forests, even fertilizer
Bastiaan Pike 10 February 2020
Make that report public!
and dynamite 10 February 2020
great piece Jack.
Now to get it in the wide world
Wim van He 10 February 2020
maybe send to the program the hofbar
andre vw 10 February 2020
Only 1 size is measured.

Just hear that fewer farmers need to come to solve the nitrogen problem.

Jaap go and talk to Jinek or Op 1.

Media and many political parties suffer from tunnel vision.

innovative 10 February 2020
Jack for president
aria 10 February 2020
The greatest danger is Mr. Timmermans and associates, who wants to stir
in a pot of 1000 billion, which is better to spend than his plans, which will later turn out to be money wasted.
Transition of nitrogen is in full swing, give it time, it goes faster than we think, one country faster than another, see it as a stone in water.
Eemland 10 February 2020
That agricultural crops absorb CO2 is of course true, but within one or two years it is back in the atmosphere through digestion or combustion. I therefore do not think it is correct to state that agriculture contributes negatively to the greenhouse effect.
Frisian Breton 10 February 2020
This afternoon on the news here in France , such a climate freak about warming the climate here in France by 2 to 4 degrees . According to him , the sea level would rise by more than 2 meters according to his expectations in this century .
The lower parts of France would then be flooded .
As we now know , the sea level does not rise more than 1,6 mm per year .
lottery ticket 10 February 2020
great article
Erwin 10 February 2020
Well said. Let's hope the general public picks up on this too
Skirt 10 February 2020
It is not at all about what is true, the end justifies all means. Environmental policy has long since been set in stone, political groups and NGOs have now turned their vision into action.
W Bemelmans 10 February 2020
The Netherlands and the EU are ruled by idiots, we will only get there
behind when it is too late.
BVD 10 February 2020
Sorry Jaap, but I'm glad there's 'opinion' above your piece. Your arguments are completely out of the blue and ignore the fact that 47% of nitrogen is emitted by agriculture and 70% of the products go abroad. Unsustainable! Moreover, not everything revolves around nitrogen and CO2. Diversity, use of pesticides, particulate matter, groundwater, etc. also belong in the mix. Stop denying, act like an entrepreneur and make sure that your company still has a right to exist in 10 years' time. (Or not.)
Ton Westgeest 10 February 2020
No, Mr Bemelmans, we have already figured that out.... Not everyone runs after those idiots until it is too late.

But I agree that it is late. It just doesn't get through, or most citizens have already been brainwashed!

You can see it in the retarded Jetten at Jinek. He doesn't know what he's talking about like most at D66...

Jinek asks him "the industry is responsible for 87% of the CO2, why are the citizens so caught, with 1.830.000 million costs?
Jetten: "yes, but we are going to help them with a subsidy of 250 million!"
Jinek: "But the industry will only receive 300 million in costs and a subsidy of 870 million!"

These worthless politicians have no idea at all and are simply appointed to help realize Boudewijn Poelmann's agenda....
Ton Westgeest 10 February 2020
And it is just as pathetic with BvD, it gets a bit hot under the shoes.... It is becoming increasingly clear that it is all nonsense!

And then you just say that, not everything revolves around nitrogen and CO2, diversity, use of pesticides, particulate matter, groundwater, etc. also belong in the mix.

Yes you remember acid rain......

It is considered normal that a subsidy of 11,4 billion is spent for biomass, so to give a permit for particulate matter and Chemours for dumping in surface water, which ends up in groundwater....
smith 10 February 2020
forest clearing is in the wrong cycle at the peak loaders of RWE with which SBB has a biomass contract.
Gerrit 10 February 2020
not just the farmers.

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2020/02/10/kabinet-maakt-119-miljoen-euro-vrij-voor-uitkopen-noordzeevissers-a3989892

North Sea Agreement that was presented on Monday: buy out fishermen.


this country is sick
BVD 10 February 2020
@Ton you don't know me.

If you want to continue doing business as a farmer, it is time to include nature, the environment and climate in your business plan. In addition, 'market forces' and 'competition' will be (new?) themes.

You can continue to deny the science, politics and wishes of citizens and enjoy driving the tracktor on the highway, or you can recognize the change and adapt your company to it as long as you can still control it.

In a few years' time, farmers will look back with shame on those farmers who adamantly deny environmental problems. I'm not one of those. There is no such thing as 'the farmers'. There are also farmers who do take responsibility and who do deserve a place in the Dutch landscape and in the economy.
Ton Westgeest 10 February 2020
Completely agree with your BvD, we will certainly look back with shame....

Many with me, among others. the makers of Zembla etc. that you don't hear from from your corner, you are not paid for that, I know, we are just waiting to see how you help the country go to the buttons!!
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Roy 10 February 2020
@BvD
How do you come to the conclusion that 47% is emitted from agriculture? That has not been measured anywhere, moreover, industry and aviation are largely not included in the calculations.
Agricultural exports contribute to a large extent to the prosperity and balance of payments of the Netherlands. Are you going to tell me who's benefits or allowances should be stopped then?
Do you want to include nature and climate in your business plan? Nature does not exist in the Netherlands and there will never be. It is all cultural landscape with some parks. The Netherlands will never make a difference in the area of ​​climate change. In short, we have virtually no influence on the global climate.
How dare you question farmers' right to exist?
The farmers are nowhere as progressive as in the Netherlands.
Land is often owned by farmers. There has to be respect for that too.
The politics that is now stirring are urban parties such as GL and D66 without too much knowledge of agriculture and without any electorate in the countryside.
if 10 February 2020
Are you a farmer? and if so are you Datema?
simple farmer 10 February 2020
this is a column that makes me happy, well substantiated
BVD 10 February 2020
@Ton, yes dude, just hold on in your bubble.

@Roy how dare I do that? I am a farmer. And especially entrepreneur. That 47% has been scientifically proven by the RIVM and is confirmed by the satellite images. As an agricultural sector, you can deny it because it doesn't work out, but the facts don't change. They call it an inconvenient truth.

It's not about the climate, it's about the environment. My environment. The environment I want to live in.

I tell you by this Roy that we in the Netherlands will decline in prosperity due to environmental problems. Yes, recession. Let's all notice. Hopefully it will eventually result in improved well-being. the polluter is going to pay, so make sure you are not a polluter. We have been doing this for 25 years.

The bio-industry in the Netherlands is a global leader, but can someone tell me why we have to do this on such a small, densely populated piece of land? And why we have to be the 2nd exporter in the world? 70% export!?

It is going to change and not just because they want it in the tower or in the canal belt. Talk to your neighbors and get inspired and stop whining.
Ton Westgeest 11 February 2020
BvD you lie that you are bursting .... it has not been scientifically proven, they are assumptions of the RIVM. The figures are currently being calculated by Geesje Rodgers and a number of other scientists. They will be released on 20 February with the Mesdag Fund.

Those satellite images you are talking about are of a Dutch invention in a satellite that shows the greenhouse gases that are emitted from oil fields and shale gas fields.

Now it turns out that you are not so into TRUTH after all, you will not only lie that you are a farmer and not an entrepreneur either.......
FRAME 11 February 2020
Aha, I see that Al Gore and associates are also active here to spew their lies.
Climate hoax is only a revenue model of the elite who greatly overreach themselves on the back of farmers and bourgeoisie.
BVD 11 February 2020
@Ton I like it a little less on the person.

Of course RIVM is science. And of course another scientist may try to refute the results. That's how science works. Please note: Geesje has an enormous challenge to set up a clean investigation because she comes from our corner, is a journalist (not a scientist) and therefore carries the appearance of bias.

@marco that it's inconvenient doesn't make it a lie.

Great to see here too that the problems are everyone's fault, except the farmers themselves. The RIVM, the politicians, the elite, the environmental clubs, the citizens, the supermarket... Everyone is against the farmer, it is one big conspiracy.

the farmers are well aware of what others are doing wrong and how it should not be done, but nowhere do I read how it should be done. Everything should stay the same? Like it was 10 years ago?

There is only one herb against pure denial of problems: present the bill... Coming up...


shoemakers 1 11 February 2020
Bvd, I would like it a little less against the farmers, what have they all done already, no, you, just look the other way.
BVD 11 February 2020
@schoemakers thanks for the illustration

Once again I am a farmer and have been involved in environmentally and nature-friendly arable farming for 25 years. And for 25 years I have encountered resistance from my 'colleagues' who don't think it is all that necessary because nothing is wrong. Well ladies and gentlemen; there is something going on. And for more than 25 years. There is no such thing as 'the farmers'!

Continue to deny = pay bill.
henk vd wetering 11 February 2020
good piece
what I have been saying for a long time we are not just food producers
we provide a cycle
this makes us the oxygen producers of the future
if you chase the peasants away you will get anxious yourself
henk vd wetering 11 February 2020
good piece
what I have been saying for a long time we are not just food producers
we provide a cycle
this makes us the oxygen producers of the future
if you chase the peasants away you will get anxious yourself
S. de Vries 11 February 2020
BVD wrote:
@schoemakers thanks for the illustration

Once again I am a farmer and have been involved in environmentally and nature-friendly arable farming for 25 years. And for 25 years I have encountered resistance from my 'colleagues' who don't think it is all that necessary because nothing is wrong. Well ladies and gentlemen; there is something going on. And for more than 25 years. There is no such thing as 'the farmers'!

Continue to deny = pay bill.
You certainly belong to the group that is making good money from the green deal that is going on.
Just like the group of 'future farmers' who are praised by lnv.
Play along with the bureaucracy.
BVD 11 February 2020
@S. deVries

Erm... no.

But I can see that a green deal offers opportunities. You too?

You should never tell a farmer how to farm. They are serious entrepreneurs and not a bunch of pile drivers from the ot&sien era. However? Well, get started! Anticipate, see opportunities, maintain the right to exist. Just like any other serious business owner.
Ton Westgeest 11 February 2020
Less on the person....which person??? If you are so pathetic that you only dare to vent your untruths under the synonym of the Internal Security Service, then stop it!!

It would also be over quickly for me if you could also vent your filth on that stupid Twitter, without your name on it. I wouldn't even publish it... as Twitter!

Stop with that nonsense or put your name on it!!
Arthur 11 February 2020
Convert Natura2000 areas to agricultural land, because you think the target is not feasible.
And then be surprised that you are not taken seriously?

I also don't understand that those terrorists from FDF are still walking around free. In a normal country, people who threaten the next day are locked up.
gerard ditchman 11 February 2020
So you see , the end justifies the means .
The Hague is heading towards a city-state from Rotterdam to Brussels and from Dortmund to Groningen.
www. TRISTATE . We have to make room for this.!!
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Roy 11 February 2020
@Arthur
are you serious now? The people who carry out attacks here and who killed Pim Fortuyn are not even being tackled.
In the big cities there are some calls and threats. Shouldn't we even worry about that first?
Jacob 11 February 2020
Totally unrealistic: you shouldn't bury your head in the sand. Still in the denial stage that there is a problem. You really don't have to be a fanatic that the RIVM is right and is even 20% lower than reality. That will soon become apparent.
A de Jager 12 February 2020
Dear Mr Major,
There are quite a few things going on here. Logical because the matter is complex and the water is at your fingertips.
1. CO2 is captured in the soil and in the plant or tree
In the Netherlands this happens quite inefficiently because it is dark for 4 months a year. CO2 is therefore mainly quickly absorbed by plants or trees in the tropics and subtropics. In a cool climate a lot of CO2 is stored in the soil. Mineralization is slow and that is why we have such fertile soil here. Modern agriculture is now on the wrong track in this area. Pesticides kill soil life, you have few diseases, fungi and the like, but the mineralization accelerates. It's like a drug addict. You need more and more for the same result.
2. Arable crops store CO2, especially sugar beets are very efficient, about 6 times as fast as a tree. If you eat those beets or mix them in diesel, the stored CO2 will be released back into the atmosphere within a year. You cut a tree after 30 years at the earliest, or not at all, which means that the CO2 is stored for much longer.
3. Livestock, grass, can also store a lot of CO2, but as I mentioned under 1, the minimal use of fertilizers and pesticides is important to maintain the CO2 in the soil life. It is also important not to keep the animals in stables in order to get variety in the pasture.
4. The absolute topper in a gloomy and wet country like the Netherlands for storing CO2 is in Hoogveen and Laagveen. I expect the discussion to move in that direction in due course. Farming is possible in Hoogveen or in particular Lageveen, which is a bit sparse livestock farming, but that is not going to be easy.
Ton Westgeest 12 February 2020
The so-called climate activists claim that “climate change” will destroy the planet and society.

But now the climate alarmists are instead being pointed to as a real danger to society and even the entire world. SVT
bblogic 12 February 2020
If we just let nature take its course in the Natura 2000 areas (former looting areas), the nitrogen makes them fertile, forests are created, and co2 is therefore stored. And permanently. So the nitrogen policy is at odds with the CO2 policy. Afforestation of the natura 2000 areas is therefore a win-win for both nature (less CO2) and society (end nitrogen problem).
bblogic 12 February 2020
The livestock farms can then go further. The nitrogen deposition in the Natura 2000 areas is even good for tree growth and therefore for CO2 sequestration.
Ton Westgeest 12 February 2020
The RIVM and also the IPCC calculates with modules and assumptions and is therefore not correct, but policy is nevertheless made based on this.

This is dangerous because it can lead to devastating and wrong political decisions.
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Roy 13 February 2020
@ A de Jager
1 You are talking about the organic matter content. In recent years, the modern arable farmer has put a lot of effort into increasing this by means of compost, green manures, etc. So you are apparently not aware of current practice.
2. Arable crops store CO2, especially sugar beets are very efficient, about 6 times as fast as a tree. If you eat those beets or mix them in diesel, the stored CO2 will be released back into the atmosphere within a year. You cut a tree after 30 years at the earliest, or not at all, which means that the CO2 is stored for much longer.
What is the difference with a tree then? Arable farming products store much more CO2, so better for the environment. Incidentally, both cycles are broken by the consumer.
They throw that tree in a biomass plant and then they say we have to fill the Netherlands with trees. How hypocritical can you be?
3 Virtually no fertilizers and crop protection are used for grass. So it is very good for the environment. Bunch of idiots want grazing permit, good idea?
4. There are already several good initiatives in this area in collaboration with (semi) government. But if some left-wing group thinks things should be different, agreements are worth nothing. Unreliable (R)Government
call 14 February 2020
destroy the current agriculture nicely here, the organic farmer can keep going through the massive deployment of cheap (you can see it as modern slave) labor from the east, but this story is also finite and no one from the city is left with whole days will come to weed or select. You can use 5g robots, but this is not really healthy either (radiation).
And in the meantime, other countries (see ceta, mercosur deals, and countries in the east.) will cultivate or optimize land to deliver cheaply and if your organic has to give up eventually, the bill will be presented.
I also grow one for the niche market, but have already found that 85% of consumers want "environmentally friendly" food, but do not want to pay for it.
stop chatter 16 February 2020
From the EU

https://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2020/01/column-ik-ben-voor-nexit-het-is-mooi-geweest-de-eu-is-mislukt-corrupt-en-richt-zich-tegen-de-bevolking/
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