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Marianne Thieme juggles agricultural figures

13 March 2017 - Esther de Snoo - 32 comments

The abolition of intensive livestock farming, the most important agenda item of the Party for the Animals, will indeed cost jobs. Even though party leader of the PvdD Marianne Thieme says not.

Thieme consistently argues in the House of Representatives and beyond that he wants to put an end to the intensive livestock industry. She wants farmers to switch to sustainable and organic farming. "We won't lose jobs that way." she said in Nieuwsuur.

Thieme believes that it is not only intensive livestock farming that has to leave the Netherlands. She also believes that livestock should be reduced by more than 70 percent. 'Only then will environmental gains arise and animal welfare will improve,' says Thieme in the 538 radio show by Edwin Evers on March 9th.

Agricultural export unnecessary
A drastic shrinkage of the livestock population means that a lion's share of agricultural exports will also fall. That is no problem for Thieme, however. 'The Germans can do that themselves', she responded at Evers† With this statement, Thieme completely ignores the export value of Dutch agriculture.

18

procent

of total exports are agricultural exports

In 2016, the Netherlands exported 85 billion euros worth of agricultural products, 4,4 percent more than in 2015. Agricultural exports make up more than 18 percent of total Dutch exports. After the United States, our country is the largest agricultural exporter in the world. After the Netherlands, Germany, Brazil and France follow. A leading position that turns out to be of no value to Thieme.

223.000 jobs in the livestock chain
This also applies to the employment offered by livestock farming. Looking at the job figures from Statistics Netherlands, it is impossible that the abolition of intensive livestock farming and a shrinkage of almost two-thirds of the livestock herd will not cost jobs. 

The Central Bureau of Statistics calculated the employment in the intensive livestock chain† In 2014 this chain had more than 68.000 full-time jobs, the primary companies are responsible for 20 percent of this. The entire livestock chain accounts for 223.000 full-time jobs.

This way we don't lose jobs

Only organic
Thieme only wants organic livestock farms. According to her, organic livestock farming is much more labour-intensive and compensates for the job losses. However, her party program has not been calculated.

It is true that organic farming is much more labour-intensive. This work is often done by foreign employees. However, Thieme seems to forget that the volume from organic farming is many times smaller than that from today's livestock sector. Thieme's idea will never be able to provide 223.000 jobs.

Juggling with numbers
Thieme juggles with numbers based on an ideology that has nothing to do with reality. A very bad form of emotion politics that does nothing but damage the farmers. 

Esther de Snoo

Chief editor Boerenbusiness. Nl
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smart ass 11 March 2017
This is a response to this article:
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I hear that Thieme rattling all week and all kinds of inaccuracies, if she is contradicted she just continues and always gets the last word on radio and TV while a caller or studio guest is right but doesn't get it.
And that also depends on the press, they are just as stupid.
peta 11 March 2017
know-it-all wrote:
This is a response to this article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/ondernemen/columns/column/10873749/Marianne-Thieme-goochelt-met-agricultural figures]Marianne Thieme juggles agricultural figures[/url]
I hear that Thieme rattling all week and all kinds of inaccuracies, if she is contradicted she just continues and always gets the last word on radio and TV while a caller or studio guest is right but doesn't get it.
And that also depends on the press, they are just as stupid.

Most press mosquitoes are just redheads who like to highlight their own reality. And just ban them from unwelcome news!
Gerrit 13 March 2017
If they can spend time on son party they have no right to speak
Dirk 13 March 2017
Put some sailors on a boat for a few days.... maybe she'll get her stunned back...
peta 13 March 2017
It's nice that there are already comments from March 11, while the column was only written on March 13.
heart 13 March 2017
I would say: try to get it in a newspaper that is not only read by farmers.
Wijnand 13 March 2017
Would the proverb still hold true? What the farmer doesn't know... Are the farmers so afraid of the much-needed change? I don't mean this disrespectfully because I have worked on farms myself for a long time and know that it is hard work. It is clear that things really need to change now and that we have to make a transition to a sustainable society asap. I would also like to see the sources of the figures mentioned in this piece, because I think you are juggling the numbers yourself here. And then bring in the CBS, those are the biggest number magicians that exist...
a. 13 March 2017
good idea dirk sailors who have been at sea for a year
if 13 March 2017
If one continues the line of 5 farmers who stop per day in which year will the Netherlands have 0 farmers?
Jos 13 March 2017
If 5 farmers stop per day, in which year will the Netherlands have 0 farmers?
peta 13 March 2017
wineand wrote:
Would the proverb still hold true? What the farmer doesn't know... Are the farmers so afraid of the much-needed change? I don't mean this disrespectfully because I have worked on farms myself for a long time and know that it is hard work. It is clear that things really need to change now and that we have to make a transition to a sustainable society asap. I would also like to see the sources of the figures mentioned in this piece, because I think you are juggling the numbers yourself here. And then bring in the CBS, those are the biggest number magicians that exist...

Dear Wijnand, Dutch farmers have long since made the transition to sustainability. Because they work with high tech and with a lot of knowledge, they score about the highest in the world in production per hectare, per kg of feed, per liter of diesel per hour worked, but also with the lowest emissions per kg of product of CO2, ammonia, etc. plus therefore also the largest amount of oxygen production per hectare and so on.
Only the image in the mind of the citizen of sustainability is in clogs and with the hoe, only those so-called sustainability are allowed to fill in foreign employees because the wages are too low for Dutch fellow citizens and consumers.
So it is crystal clear when it comes to sustainability. But that suits Mrs. Thieme, D66 and more politicians and voters do not, because that does not fit in the story in line with environmental companies. These companies, so-called foundations or action groups must keep kicking the farmers with false arguments in order to continue to receive income from the postcode lottery as a good cause!
And in essence, the majority of citizens and even the employees of those foundations do not care because they continue to emit unnecessary tons of CO2 and nitrogen with their unnecessary flight holidays to faraway places. But you don't hear these kinds of things being raised from politics because that doesn't keep your job in politics!!! So dear Wijnand, that was my farmer's truth, just think about it, this farmer's wisdom is also endorsed by a number of scientists with global prestige, but this is not very good in the Dutch press and politics, so that is from the press and politics banned.
peter 13 March 2017
natural - conventional farming against organic farming is like a giant to a dwarf - so switching won't happen by itself
due to rules and legislation that are also constantly changing or being adapted, the sector is under stress - agriculture also has uncertain sides, so politics must provide clarity, but of course they don't know it themselves either, so power blocs get a lot of influence
and then the farmer-entrepreneur - idealism passion as motivation once started but shine is fading because you have to continue to perform to the utmost - it has become tough business
possibly sounds are heard and thoughts arise of what if it could all be a little smaller, a little more attention to everything but time yes time and production and production - quantity more and more ... money and earning

the agricultural sector breaks record and record, not least because of the many innovations and developments/insights, but behind farmers' doors there is also a lot of suffering - who wants to work below cost price - suffocate or swallow

many consumers find the environment increasingly important and also want to know what is in all those products (at the supermarket) and that is logical - and therefore the animal also receives more attention - all in all, citizens are becoming more assertive and demanding put to products

and so there is slowly a change in production at the farmer
peta 14 March 2017
Dear Peter, you also forget the records in actual sustainability in the records, that's what it's all about, but that is an experience that LTO does not sell either and the Politicians do not bring votes because the action companies then not only against farmers but also against political parties to act. Open your eyes and see the reality and do not fall back into popular arguments that bring no real improvement to society and moreover the mass of consumers does not pay any money for it.
Monique 14 March 2017
Thieme to Evers @538 : "The problem is NL wants to be a farmer & butcher in Europe, Germany can very well do that itself. The border must be closed for farmers. How far does her conflict of interest go that she simply "forgets" that the vegetarian butcher eg in Berlin (yes, in Germany) opens shops??? A politician who clearly pulls out all the stops to make her own vegetarian butcher shops as profitable as possible on the backs of millions of gullible Dutch people who follow her like Lemmingen, and so Earn millions.. Is that allowed?
D. Scholts 14 March 2017
http://www.quotenet.nl/Nieuws/Marianne-Thieme-blijkt-de-ultieme-marketingtool-voor-het-miljoenenbedrijf-van-haar-man-185634
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erik 14 March 2017
That's called freedom of speech, so yes you can.
Thieme does the same for her party as the average participant here, namely standing up for your own interests (and perhaps those of someone else).
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Dago 14 March 2017
Wijnand, You should read the article in last Saturday's AD, Stop with BIO. This article gives a very neat overview of the so-called "sustainability"
Agri 14 March 2017
Bio min 40% production, min 20 CO2 emissions, min 40% oxygen production per ha.
Daan 14 March 2017
Erik, freedom of expression is allowed, but conflicts of interest are not allowed, see Tiggelaar in the province of Drenthe. She goes so far as to belittle/discriminate and stigmatize groups and that is certainly not allowed for a politician.
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erik 14 March 2017
then one of the complainants should file a complaint against her and see how far you get with that.
south farmer 14 March 2017
erik wrote:
then one of the complainants should file a complaint against her and see how far you get with that.


That will surely happen. Morally speaking, this is of course not right for one meter and Edwin Evers has already rightly denounced that. Then she first pretends that her nose is bleeding, that there is no profit of millions. She then spins and turns in her answers, hoping to wriggle out of this awkward discussion. Cringing, I'd be ashamed of myself if I were her, letting your so-called ideals for a better world that you propagate through politics become financially milked out.
HE HAS 14 March 2017
The cows are obliged to go out in the meadow, but it is really time that politicians become obliged to go into practice for 120 days to see what is going on. It's not normal anymore what they saddle us with.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
socks 15 March 2017
Do cows like that pasture when it is warmer than 25 degrees with bright sun.
Wiebe 15 March 2017
Dear Petatje.

You can also vote for an agricultural scientist.

http://www.parlement.com/id/vhjogfpxaszp/e_m_a_eric_smaling
Pieter 15 March 2017
A lot of feed is imported from the Americas for Dutch livestock farming, is that sustainable? Marianne does have a point.
peta 15 March 2017
Peter wrote:
A lot of feed is imported from the Americas for Dutch livestock farming, is that sustainable? Marianne does have a point.

Marian has 2 points
-Animal farming abroad where animal welfare is by no means better.
-Everyone eat less meat and go vegan
from her husband. How honest story? Conflict of interest?!
heart 16 March 2017
horse riding and pets are prohibited
A lot of voters don't know what they're voting for
Jacky 20 March 2017
You can think of Thieme whatever you want, she's there anyway. And is elected into the room with 5 seats. By citizens. So consumers. And they're all crazy, insane, and what's not mentioned anymore?
If the industry knows it all so well, tell it so the consumer understands. And don't react out of arrogance: Citizens don't understand it, only we know how it is. Get the message across in an active, positive way. And only then do you start complaining about someone who apparently does that marketing better.
Linda Beastly 21 March 2017
A vegetable version with the sensation of meat can hardly be more beautiful, but a hundred times more sustainable. No animal suffering, no depletion of the earth, no methane emissions. Marianne Thieme addresses the problem and immediately comes up with a solution. Do meat eaters think it's normal to feed pigs grain and vegetable proteins, when they look at the starving Sudanese?
Gert Jan 21 March 2017
@Linda

Hi Linda,
I understand your reaction very well. The famine is terrible.
But in your response I sense the suggestion that meat eaters are partly to blame for that famine. And do you think that if we all go to the veggie burger, there will be no more famines?
I myself still have 100 tons of wheat in the shed. For less than 20 cents per kilo, any aid organization can collect this directly from me and bring it to the famine areas. Rather Dutch pigs and chickens on a diet than people dying of hunger. By the way, there is plenty of wheat in the Netherlands and the world.
Dear Linda, at least understand that for some animals the party is NOT a solution to world famines. There are various other parties in The Hague that have a much greater eye for the poorest in the world.
HA 21 March 2017
Marianne Thieme has a huge conflict of interests her husband has a company with vegan burgers how such an honest story!!!!!!!
65+ 22 March 2017
Four-leaf clover for the men lovers among the sailors and Thieme
for the women lovers, after all you are not allowed to discriminate.
if 25 March 2017
I understand your reaction very well jacky I am also wondering how she manages that also asked the question at the milk factory when are you going to explain how it really is to the citizens then they say that it is easier to get everywhere to admit than to explain customer is king
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