Are we banning glyphosate or Parkinson's?

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Noord 24 December 2025

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Algra says more. He states that glyphosate was used in the past to control thistles. Anyone with a little common sense knows that glyphosate wasn't used for that purpose and is

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The Frisian 24 December 2025

That's right, he often gets the platform to air his suspicions, perhaps he's had one too many too many in the past, which has proven to be bad.

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CM 24 December 2025

Politicians think that if we keep raising suspicions about Roundup, we'll eventually manage to ban it. We don't listen to facts, but they're very useful in banning all substances, if possible.

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gerard 24 December 2025

Then we certainly shouldn't eat soy because it's definitely in there. Most people don't run on facts but on suspicions. Like Simon Rosendaal says, everything is poisonous, but the doses determine it.

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25 December 2025

That was a statement by the physician Paracelsus in the 15th century: It's not the nature of the substance that's poisonous, but the amount. According to recent scientific research, we're ingesting quite a bit of glyphosate these days, so...! Perhaps we can agree that consuming 2 grams of carbide isn't harmful, but 1 kg is.

Student godfather 25 December 2025

The biggest driver of Parkinson's is stress and old age. Government policy, with its numerous regulations, unattainable goals, etc., causes a great deal of unrest and stress for many farmers. If this stress persists too slowly, it has a significant impact on your health. If you have Parkinson's, this stress is the driving force behind it. And it's rearing its ugly head. It's incomprehensible that these studies aren't being shared and that farmers are once again being blamed for everything.

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Arie poor branch. 25 December 2025

Student Peter wrote:

The biggest driver of Parkinson's is stress and old age. Government policy, with its numerous regulations, unattainable goals, etc., causes a great deal of unrest and stress for many farmers. If this stress persists too slowly, it has a significant impact on your health. If you have Parkinson's, this stress is the driving force behind it. And it's rearing its ugly head. It's incomprehensible that these studies aren't being shared and that farmers are once again being blamed for everything.

You're twisting things around too easily. Instead of claiming, as many believe, that Parkinson's is caused by pesticides, among other things, you claim it's caused by stress farmers experience over pesticide management. This is incredibly simplistic, especially coming from a student.

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25 December 2025

No, dear student. Glyphosate is being blamed, and farmers are using it for economic gain. I won't go into the actual stressors farmers face.

Farmer Harm Peet. 25 December 2025

I believe the student's story. We experience much more stress than before because of all the regulations. And the average age of farmers is much higher. It's more common at older ages, especially among people who experience a lot of stress, and unfortunately, politicians saddle us with a lot of stress. This incitement against farmers should be banned.

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25 December 2025

Stressors include a complete lack of adaptability. They want everything to remain as it is, but that's nowhere to be found. Nothing remains permanent; everything flows. And then, for many, there's the bank, which monitors the financial consequences of restrictive (manure) regulations. Now that's stress! Did you hear what Peter Wennink says in his report? We can expect adaptation from a sector responsible for 64% of total nitrogen emissions and contributing only 0,4% to our income.

Pastor 26 December 2025

Wennink is speaking for the converted. Just like most people. Chips are being found in war materials in Ukraine. Shouldn't this be banned?

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Southwest 26 December 2025

wrote:

Stressors include a complete lack of adaptability. They want everything to remain as it is, but that's nowhere to be found. Nothing remains permanent; everything flows. And then, for many, there's the bank, which monitors the financial consequences of restrictive (manure) regulations. Now that's stress! Did you hear what Peter Wennink says in his report? We can expect adaptation from a sector responsible for 64% of total nitrogen emissions and contributing only 0,4% to our income.

No, we're not allowed to. Other sectors can pass on costs, we have to pay all sorts of fees, but (we're price takers!) we're gradually getting little to nothing. There's no room, regardless of the value of those studies. The conclusion is set, and research is being written accordingly.

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Roy 26 December 2025

That report is, of course, complete nonsense. How dare you bring this up here again? We've been talking about this whole nitrogen issue for six years now; it can be dismissed in an hour. Be practical and don't keep going around in circles theoretically. How hard can it be?

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Jo 26 December 2025

In Missouri, three farmers were compensated by Monsanto for cancer. It was then quickly sold to Bayer, which has already settled for $10 billion. $25 billion is on the way. If author Haanstra really doesn't want to harm his health, he could also look into farmers' sperm quality. Or does he have a different interest with his Agrifacts foundation?

Democrat 26 December 2025

America, you call me a country. I think they've completely lost their way there. But then again, they've got some really old people at the top lately. The stress they're all under isn't doing their minds any good.

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juun 26 December 2025

jo wrote:

In Missouri, three farmers were compensated by Monsanto for cancer. It was then quickly sold to Bayer, which has already settled for $10 billion. $25 billion is on the way. If author Haanstra really doesn't want to harm his health, he could also look into farmers' sperm quality. Or does he have a different interest with his Agrifacts foundation?

Does a judge do cancer research? Especially in the US, you can easily convince a jury that you're a pathetic judge. You'd quickly win against a large corporation.

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CM 26 December 2025

The litigation culture and legal system in the US and here in Europe, and especially the Netherlands, are completely incomparable. Moreover, resistant corn and soybean crops genetically engineered to be treated with Roundup are widely grown there. This doesn't happen here in Europe or the Netherlands. The approval requirements here stipulate that it's not applied to crops that will later be consumed. Vegetarians, through their direct use of soy, are perhaps the most likely to come into contact with Roundup, as much of it is imported from the US.

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ideas 26 December 2025

After 2000 the R-up patent was cancelled. How can you blame Bayer for everything then?

Term 27 December 2025

idea wrote:

After 2000 the R-up patent was cancelled. How can you blame Bayer for everything then?

That is probably no more difficult than the fact that there is a lot to be gained from Monsanto and Bayer.

Hub Rich 27 December 2025

Arie poor branch. wrote:

Student Peter wrote:
The biggest driver of Parkinson's is stress and old age. Government policy, with its numerous regulations, unattainable goals, etc., causes a great deal of unrest and stress for many farmers. If this stress persists too slowly, it has a significant impact on your health. If you have Parkinson's, this stress is the driving force behind it. And it's rearing its ugly head. It's incomprehensible that these studies aren't being shared and that farmers are once again being blamed for everything.
You're twisting things around too easily. Instead of claiming, as many believe, that Parkinson's is caused by pesticides, among other things, you claim it's caused by stress farmers experience over pesticide management. This is incredibly simplistic, especially coming from a student.

Dear Arie, "Student Peter" subtly says something different. He's talking about a trigger. In other words: Parkinson's can have a specific cause. And then that manifests itself or accelerates its manifestation due to stress. I don't know if that's true, by the way. NGOs are getting their teeth into glyphosate. In my opinion, they're not targeting the worst enemy. A 25-year-old scientific article was recently retracted. But even if this shifts glyphosate from "absolutely safe" to "carcinogenicity cannot be ruled out," that's not a big deal. Products containing PFAS (or converted into them) in agriculture or elsewhere would be better targets.

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It can freeze or thaw 27 December 2025

Huib Rijk wrote:

Arie poor branch. wrote:
Student Peter wrote:
The biggest driver of Parkinson's is stress and old age. Government policy, with its numerous regulations, unattainable goals, etc., causes a great deal of unrest and stress for many farmers. If this stress persists too slowly, it has a significant impact on your health. If you have Parkinson's, this stress is the driving force behind it. And it's rearing its ugly head. It's incomprehensible that these studies aren't being shared and that farmers are once again being blamed for everything.
You're twisting things around too easily. Instead of claiming, as many believe, that Parkinson's is caused by pesticides, among other things, you claim it's caused by stress farmers experience over pesticide management. This is incredibly simplistic, especially coming from a student.
Dear Arie, "Student Peter" subtly says something different. He's talking about a trigger. In other words: Parkinson's can have a specific cause. And then that manifests itself or accelerates its manifestation due to stress. I don't know if that's true, by the way. NGOs are getting their teeth into glyphosate. In my opinion, they're not targeting the worst enemy. A 25-year-old scientific article was recently retracted. But even if this shifts glyphosate from "absolutely safe" to "carcinogenicity cannot be ruled out," that's not a big deal. Products containing PFAS (or converted into them) in agriculture or elsewhere would be better targets.

Indeed, half of the Netherlands is already stressed out and struggling with all sorts of complaints. The reason is simple: we want everything, we want to know everything, we have to be available 24/7, and if something goes wrong, there's immediate panic. We believe we should live in a controllable society where unexpected things shouldn't happen. And if there's someone, a so-called expert who also has their own platform, then you can fill in the rest yourself.

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Term 27 December 2025

Huib Rijk wrote:

Arie poor branch. wrote:
Student Peter wrote:
The biggest driver of Parkinson's is stress and old age. Government policy, with its numerous regulations, unattainable goals, etc., causes a great deal of unrest and stress for many farmers. If this stress persists too slowly, it has a significant impact on your health. If you have Parkinson's, this stress is the driving force behind it. And it's rearing its ugly head. It's incomprehensible that these studies aren't being shared and that farmers are once again being blamed for everything.
You're twisting things around too easily. Instead of claiming, as many believe, that Parkinson's is caused by pesticides, among other things, you claim it's caused by stress farmers experience over pesticide management. This is incredibly simplistic, especially coming from a student.
Dear Arie, "Student Peter" subtly says something different. He's talking about a trigger. In other words: Parkinson's can have a specific cause. And then that manifests itself or accelerates its manifestation due to stress. I don't know if that's true, by the way. NGOs are getting their teeth into glyphosate. In my opinion, they're not targeting the worst enemy. A 25-year-old scientific article was recently retracted. But even if this shifts glyphosate from "absolutely safe" to "carcinogenicity cannot be ruled out," that's not a big deal. Products containing PFAS (or converted into them) in agriculture or elsewhere would be better targets.

Pesticides containing PFAS will soon be banned. You can see that from all the media reactions. Incidentally, I wonder if PFAS is really that harmful. A lot of PFAS is also released directly into people and therefore into the environment through medications (https://www.vzinfo.nl/genees-en-hulpmiddelen-en-lichaamsmaterialen/volgen), thousands of kilos per year. And haven't they all been thoroughly tested? That doesn't mean, however, that I think it's very smart to introduce chemicals into the environment that are almost impossible to break down.

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gerard 27 December 2025

How is it possible that people who don't use it get the disease while users don't? This also applies to Cu fever in goats. Hundreds of people visit goat farms. One person gets it, the other doesn't. It's fate.

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CM 27 December 2025

gerard wrote:

How is it possible that people who don't use it get the disease while users don't? This also applies to Cu fever in goats. Hundreds of people visit goat farms. One person gets it, the other doesn't. It's fate.

That remains elusive, but some people are simply more susceptible to something than others. You see it with lung cancer in non-smokers and 90-year-olds who have smoked and drunk their entire lives. Children aged 1 or 2 who die from a certain disease also experience something similar.

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Hypark 29 December 2025

There's also a difference in the chain structure between PFAS and PFAS. One is harmful, the other isn't. Because of all the emotions, I haven't heard or read anything about that. I hope everyone isn't being tarred with the same brush. There are also harmless PFAS pesticides.

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juun 29 December 2025

I think it's mainly about TFA formation. There's a big difference between the active ingredients there. Fluopyram is probably in the doghouse in that regard. If that's the case, the latter chemical nematode product is also banned.

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