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Poor living in times of wealth

15 February 2020 - Peter Pals - 30 comments

He has been looking for better financing for years. It's complicated and they are quite difficult. At the table is a farmer in the second half forty. He has a mixed farm with arable farming and dairy cattle. Questions such as: "What does better and broader financing look like? How do you achieve that?"

Then the answers come with something like: "Uh, that's different for everyone and every company of course". And: “it used to be much simpler”. An appropriate interpretation is the need, but what this is remains a bit vague at the same time. After some questioning, I notice that he finds it difficult. The invitation was actually provided by him.

Somewhat irritated, he says: “those are typical of those consultant questions”. After some reflection time follows: “I am bursting with power. There was plenty of land and buildings and I want entrepreneurial space to do things myself. But it just doesn't work to get my way completely, or if that makes you happy."

Set up financing
It is an interesting and very important topic. Correctly organizing the financing that suits the entrepreneur and his company is actually a basic part of business management. It has to be in order, period.

The questions and answers therefore continue:
“How much financing do you have?” Almost two million.
“Everything from the bank or elsewhere?” At the bank, that big well-known within the sector you know.
“Do you use lease?” Yes, but reluctantly.
“Do you have family loans?” With my brother and that's fine. He is not always whining”
“What interest type do you have and what are you paying now?” First everything variable, that is cheapest. Recently fixed half for 10 years, otherwise I took too many risks.
“Is the repayment appropriate?” No, they keep talking about being 65 years old and I should be debt free. Why, the land is only getting more expensive! And besides, the money costs next to nothing. Renting is more expensive!

Luxury and opulence
"So if I understand correctly, in your case a better financing is that you have variable interest and do not pay off too much." He nods and asks if I've ever heard of "living poor and dying rich". And that in this time of luxury and opulence. "What does it take to set it up in such a way that it suits you best? I ask the next question.

We talk about the will to redeem. Because yes, that much guilt is not everything. At the same time, he wants to further develop the company. There was plenty of planning and (foreign) capital is needed for that. Good material, it simply has to be there to get the job done well and smoothly. “The basics in order.” He recently leased a milking robot. "What a blessing that is," he says. "Less work and more time for other things and myself."

Prescribe financing
In fact, the structure of the financing has grown, but it hangs together like loose sand. “Which financing suits your company”, I read recently. Too many farmers let them prescribe how that financing should be organised. It is better to tackle it yourself and come up with solutions, that is part of entrepreneurship.

You don't have to be an economist to understand that you decide whether you want to live poor in times of wealth. That is determined by the enterprising farmer himself.

Peter Pals

Peter Pals is an entrepreneur at Farmers Funding & Advies and grew up on a farm. From his farming heart, he has decided to build up a business for business, financial and tax advice for agricultural entrepreneurs.
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30 comments
Peter34 15 February 2020
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/column/10885896/arm-leven-in-tijden-van-rijkdom]Living poor in times of wealth[/url]
"that's typical of that consultant talk" A lot of hazy chatter.
I also do not understand that entrepreneurs invite / tolerate these kinds of people in the yard. You can also look at coffee grounds yourself.
shoemakers 1 15 February 2020
Yes, there is no answer in the article what the possibilities could be
Ps 15 February 2020
And the farmer he plowed and plodded forward with his Kop na benee here Moët with it!
frog 15 February 2020
But we do have the best profession in the Netherlands.
You would spend every day in a musty office making up rules?
hans 15 February 2020
A great entrepreneur who is bursting with capital, but is no longer the boss of his own company due to his debts.
This is popularly called eating your own company.
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Leo 15 February 2020
With 2 million debt and a leased robot, the water is at your fingertips, or you have to farm 200 acre? Then you have nothing to want, hit it and relieve that shit, then you automatically get space to let it hang out of your pants. I assume that sir has already undertaken a mountain, how else do you get so deep into shit.
baby 15 February 2020
I think there are a lot of farmers when they stop that they might just jump out because I think there are still plenty who don't succeed so it's not that great.
pete s 15 February 2020
I have a well-functioning arable farm of 90 ha on the clay
With good buildings and mechanization and everything in ownership
I owe 1,5 million
The free value is certainly a total of 7 million
Peter, now tell me why I have to pay off
Thick 16 February 2020
what is certain is the future of the owed

the rest is in fine print in your contract
Joop 16 February 2020
I have a well-functioning arable farm of 90 ha on the clay
With good buildings and mechanization and everything in ownership
I owe 1,5 million
The free value is certainly a total of 7 million
Peter, now tell me why I have to pay off

That is really not necessary, you have almost too much equity. No 350 euros interest charges on the hectares. You can handle almost anything with your business.
Martin 16 February 2020
rutte is cleaning up his own following, the livestock farming industry, who opts for more foreigners and Schiphol. may grow and .formula .1. we become starks a poor country,we lose our own values ​​norms. Carola has them behind the elbow., that bitch.
howl 16 February 2020
And that's how it is Martin bastards bint, and don't admit anything.
ordinary farmer 16 February 2020
leiver 30 cows from yourself than 120 from the couch
45 years of arable farming 16 February 2020
Here 60ha property and slightly more than 10% debt relative to the free value.
No lease and pay off every year like crazy, my business plan is exactly 1 leaf and it says FREEDOM in large letters.

2018 was extremely dry in the SW and partly due to some investments made with my own money, I was short in liquidity before the start of the 2019 harvest.


All the numbers on the table from the past 5 years, says that troela on the other side of the table
"You haven't needed us in the past 10 years, why should we help at such short notice?"
Whereupon I agreed with her wholeheartedly, grabbed an extra cookie, drank my coffee and left.

For the imaging, this was the 1st week of December in order to be able to pay the invoices for seed/fertilizer/GBM in April.

Couple of phone calls to some good friends and family and within 3 hours I was promised €40.000 with 4% interest.
now 1% refunded 100 year later and we went to eat it again at my expense.

Rabo, Cleans Up All Farmers
Another 5 years and I'll be rid of them commercially, private home last part on my 60th


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Leo 16 February 2020
Consumer credit is not that easy. It's much easier with your friends. Don't have any problems with Rabo yourself, a great bank, but if they refuse money, it might be time to ask yourself.
arable farmer 16 February 2020
In my opinion, Rabo only wants to keep the large financing. As an average arable farmer you have no influence on the percentages.

They would rather finance someone who is up to their necks. So as a frugal arable farmer you don't invest money in the Rabo member certificates, because that will become a risk!
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Crow 16 February 2020
Smart of that farmer to gain knowledge about how to finance, a lot can be saved with that 1.5 million debt on 90 hectares is indeed not much.
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Leo 16 February 2020
If that is true crow, Schouten will get another rescue plan for the gentlemen arable farmers. Personally, I don't believe in it, the interest is ok, but the repayment cannot be made.
pete s 16 February 2020
I can pay that repayment every year, but I like it
oblige in my case idiot.
I had an interest-only mortgage, but after the fixed-interest period I was obliged to repay, I now pay 230 euros per hectare of interest.
this could be entered because of the small print.
Gives me as an entrepreneur the idea that they necessarily want to boss me
I think all the big banks are rogues and scammers
hans 16 February 2020
Piet, do you know how many agricultural companies with land are for sale, and how many are waiting to be sold?
Banks and brokers determine the (limited) offer to prevent large price drops. Not for the farmer, but so as not to get the bank into even bigger trouble.
And interest rates are artificially kept far too low, which worked for a while to allow the (failed) economy to breathe, but will now put us (EU) in an impossible position.

Rising interest rates and falling land prices will quickly get you in big trouble (see the homeowner in 2012(?))
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Leo 16 February 2020
Dear Hans, please let us know who, what and where.
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Leo 16 February 2020
I do agree with you that it will not stay that way, people think that money is free in the long run and that the land continues to increase in value. There may just be a change in the wind and then you are in a different position with your unpaid financing and high interest pressure.
pete s 16 February 2020
hans wrote:
Piet, do you know how many agricultural companies with land are for sale, and how many are waiting to be sold?
Banks and brokers determine the (limited) offer to prevent large price drops. Not for the farmer, but so as not to get the bank into even bigger trouble.
And interest rates are artificially kept far too low, which worked for a while to allow the (failed) economy to breathe, but will now put us (EU) in an impossible position.

Rising interest rates and falling land prices will quickly get you in big trouble (see the homeowner in 2012(?))
You are worse than the bank
If I get in trouble because of what you say, then the whole of the Netherlands is bankrupt
I would like a clear answer from peter pals
This is not clear in his article
pete s 16 February 2020
I think this is the solution...…………...…………..
hans 16 February 2020
Piet, when a bank falls, your credit is gone but your debt remains. Go see it big.
Interest-only mortgage, certainly designed for the customer?
Only without guilt can you escape the dance, but it is no longer feasible for almost anyone.
sold in the Netherlands in 40 years.
Dagobert Duck 17 February 2020
What kind of split are those banks in?

They are given money to collect it from the ECB in droves at the same time and they still don't dare to put it out again because of too little return on mortgage rates....

This article only shows that collateral (as in land) is not a requirement for a bank at all, you can bulk from equity but not yet get financing. Simply because banks themselves don't have a nail to scratch their ass. Renewed requirements for capital buffers and compliance regulations from Basel can be heard from the large Agro bank....
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seagull 17 February 2020
How will citizens and farmers in the Netherlands do if interest rates rise again?
rule maker 17 February 2020
The interest rate will not rise, then all of Rutte's friends will fall over, but they just don't give anything anymore to those who really want to build something, THEIR CHOICE, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, DEMOCRACY
Burger 20 February 2020
Die Pals may first go back to group 6 of primary school to get a few sentences of Dutch error-free in that article.
I think he was drunk, stoned or demented when he wrote that.
I have a new floor 20 February 2020
I hope. That Peter. In real life. A bit longer though. Can write sentences.
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