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Don't celebrate now, but invest

27 May 2019 - Robert Hoste - 36 comments

The sky's the limit. At least, that is currently the thinking among pig farmers, because finally the price is going up seriously and the feed is getting cheaper. This situation is mainly due to the outbreaks of African swine fever in China and many other Asian countries. This is of course good news for pig farmers, but how long can this sentiment last?

The pig cycle now has a pattern of about 4 years, which means that the pig market corrects itself in about 2 years. On the one hand, this is due to the expansion of production in the United States, Canada, Brazil, Russia, Mexico and Argentina. In the European Union, production will also increase, although these are not always the most efficient producers.

On the other hand, consumption in East Asia will decline. The gap created in those countries cannot be filled with production elsewhere; there is simply not enough meat and meat is also very expensive. Despite a cultural attachment of the Chinese to pork, they will therefore eat less meat and/or switch to other types of meat (poultry meat).

Free from African Swine Fever
If we assume that the Netherlands will remain free from African swine fever, then the pig price is expected to remain at a good level for a while. However, this may mean that the restructuring scheme will come under pressure, although the real entrepreneurs are not short-sighted. They also know that after a hefty price peak, there will be an irrevocable trough and this time it can turn into a deep trough.

If we do have to deal with this animal disease in the Netherlands (or Germany), it will be disastrous; our export market, for example, will suffer permanent damage.

Structural investing
We must use a crisis elsewhere in the world to invest structurally and prepare here for what is to come. One thing is in any case certain: the dependence on the world market leads to additional price fluctuations, which means that more financial buffers are needed. The need to take shelter in producer associations and intensive chain cooperation will increase. In the Netherlands, we are not really at the top when it comes to animal health.

It is time to strive for maximum hygiene and animal health, possibly even SPF production. In that sense, African swine fever in China can sometimes lead to a favorable structural change in the Netherlands.

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Robert Hoste

Robert Hoste is an Economist Pig Production at Wageningen Economic Research (WUR). He is involved in 3 tasks: sector and business economics in pig farms in the Netherlands, international analyzes and the production chain.
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36 comments
Frans 27 May 2019
This is in response to it Boerenbusiness article:
[url=http://www.boerenbusiness.nl/column/10882471/nu-niet-feestvieren-maar-investeren]Don't celebrate now, but invest[/url]
The head is very Calvinistic, the writer does not seem to me to be a partygoer. It has just been two months with € 50,00 + for the piglets and € 1,60 + for the pigs and then these kinds of 'recommendations' appear immediately. Wage slaves also receive almost twice as much salary this month because of holiday pay, be careful guys, don't start celebrating right away.
fat car 27 May 2019
immediately ordered a thick benz with cow catcher in front.
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burke Brabant 27 May 2019
I would like to solve my manure problem definitively, 7000 kub in a location, I just don't have the answer how to do this yet
marc 27 May 2019
what do you think of grain for manure? Nice for the agricultural cycle
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burke Brabant 28 May 2019
do I need 3500 hectares of land, I probably won't succeed, no, I want to process my manure so that I only have dry land, then it can go to the place where they need it most, and that will probably not be in the Netherlands
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burp out grumbling 28 May 2019
That's called long-term thinking, and you're absolutely right.
Jan 28 May 2019
7000 tons on 3500 ha. Must be the best fertilizer with 2 tons per hectare. Here we are already selling for 15 euros per ton, a tenner too much, but still a start.
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burke Brabant 28 May 2019
yes, I was wrong. I need 7 to 800 ha, is also impossible, who will help me to only have solid manure?
Drent 28 May 2019
In the north there is still enough demand for manure, supply around 6000m3 yourself, but you sometimes hear that it is more difficult to get manure further north. If I were you, I would go out for a day and look for buyers
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burke Brabant 29 May 2019
transport and training costs as little as 20 euros. I want to charge max 10 euros for my manure, this is also necessary to be able to compete with foreign countries in the future,
by the way i think slurry has had its day, i think dry manure, custom made with whatever the customer wants has the future, if we can supply granulated manure with the exact levels then we can charge good money for that product, and is the customer willing to pay for it?
Drent 29 May 2019
However, that will be different for every plot and every farmer, so tailoring manure will be difficult if we have to pay for it. Assume that you then make an npk fertilizer, but it could increase sales, but it has everything to do with the price, of course.
Drent 29 May 2019
Boerke Brabant I assume you mean pig manure and that is where the high phosphate content is the problem and should actually be processed or mixed with other species in a silo. I now also supply processed, but as long as that is not recognized as fertilizer, you will quickly get stuck with it. In fact, our supply should also increase, all the more because in soil investigations I see that every year the phosphate content drops to sometimes below 20. This would immediately solve part of the problem, but yes, see the officials get along.
shoemakers1 29 May 2019
boerke brabant, it is the political will, just like drent, that the cost price of manure is high, it is a good aim to bring this down, but it is rowing against the current
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burke Brabant 29 May 2019
certainly rowing against the tide, but the persevering sometimes wins.
I order lacto food with an ew of 110, .
I pay for that and get what I want
I can't believe I order feed from a factory and have to wait and see what I get.
so it goes with manure a bit,
so my goal is to extract water from the manure myself and dry it to 85% dry matter, and then make sure that everything except water is in the dry matter,
this fraction goes to a joint factory (a feed factory, but for manure) that will then add everything the customer wants, and granulate it.
you ask we turn
shoemakers1 29 May 2019
for a longer distance this can make a difference, only I think transporting it to a factory and adding everything, is not the road, as a user in surplus area I will use slurry for a long time, I think, the proportions don't matter to me, I do add it myself, I want the fertilizer that yields the most per hectare. And I think that after the separation, relatively cheaply, the thin fraction will be the way for me for a while, it also has a fairly constant composition, I had slurry from cattle last year, a cow farmer had an unexplained higher phosphate content than a month before , 3 days in advance a truck has unloaded several loads? Seen this yourself.
realist 29 May 2019
Then why don't you do that boerke Brabant instead of talking tough talk on this forum with numbers that don't make sense at all.
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burke Brabant 29 May 2019
realist, which numbers are wrong?
the time when arable farming will get money for our products is finite. this was up to us, and we are going to solve that too, it is not easy, but now that the pigs are less cheap, hopefully we can take steps
Drent 29 May 2019
Don't think it will affect boerke, most of what is supplied here is cattle manure
realist 30 May 2019
7000 kub in 1 location is ridiculous and should be banned
3500 ha is not right, you say yourself
7 to 800 ha is not correct
20 euros is wrong
You cannot continue to pay 10 euros in the long term
And if you oracle that you want to dry up to 85% ds why not do that, those techniques have been around for a long time. by the way, you will also have to drain the water because that is not drinkable dear boerke Brabant.
All in all, it is clear to read that you are very frustrated and I also understand that because society literally throws you up with your arrogant attitude and your company that is much too big for Dutch standards (in your dreams probably)
Have a nice HV and dream on.
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burke Brabant 30 May 2019
good morning realist. 7000 cubic meters times more than 5 kg I really need 7 to 800 ha for that. if I have to bring manure from the south to the far north, with roads and sampling and processing, I'm around 20 euros per cubic meter. drying is possible, but as I mentioned before, this is not yet easy,
the number of cubic meters at my company is indeed still on the meager side for the considerable investment. we are also busy making more of it
Piet 30 May 2019
Well, Boerke, solutions have been provided enough to get rid of that manure. Costs a few bucks, but the pigs are very expensive, so no problem for a healthy company.
Gert 30 May 2019
"The sky is the limit, according to Robert Hoste, that is the thinking of pig farmers". Does he have a crystal ball or is he just gambling at random? So let's take a chance on what Robert's boldest thoughts are. I'm guessing he earns €8.000 a month at Wageningen and is afraid that there are pig farmers who are earning more this month. What else are we gambling?
market 30 May 2019
dear realist why do you think that 7000 M3
producing manure in a location is ridiculous and should be banned
Jan 30 May 2019
I'm guessing Robert has already reconsidered the investment of a new washing machine 10 times. After that, he won't party for a year.
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burke Brabant 30 May 2019
hey piet, unfortunately I haven't heard any real solutions yet, and the pigs are less cheap, .is something else than expensive
Piet 30 May 2019
I think they are expensive, this week 2 combinations of 410 pigs delivered to Germany times € 185. More than 75.000 euros and the wheat for 19,5 euros. Also sold 7.000 tons of manure per year, just for more than a ton of everything, that is more than a week's supply of pigs. You won't hear me complaining, solutions abound.
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burke Brabant 31 May 2019
piet, what is expensive, my grandfather used to give the piglets just as much as my father, and I don't get any more.
if you know that my father bought a new ford in 1978 for 16.000 guilders, the same car now costs 20.000 euros,
when the guilder changed to the euro, a beer in our pub cost 2 guilders, now 2.10 euros. I can go on like this for a long time.
That's what I mean by pigs aren't expensive now.
of course we can earn good money in recent months.
ps I haven't heard a solution for my manure yet. I hoped that there was someone who only has dry manure left on his farm, but as I say this is not easy,
Drent 31 May 2019
There are farmers, but it is exported because the phosphate content is so high that we as arable farmers cannot place it.
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mortgage farmer June 1, 2019
burke Brabant,

Search on Google for Desks Europe. Those guys will soon come up with a new mobile system that can probably meet your demand regarding the separation of manure.
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burke Brabant June 2, 2019
hey mortgage farmer, thanks for the information, will give ditch smit a call on monday, but as far as i can see it now it is only a separator, which i think also needs polymer to be used,
I am looking for a complete solution, preferably without additives, especially iron binds the phosphate, when it becomes more difficult for the crops afterwards
Arable farming2.0 June 2, 2019
boerkebrabant wrote:
good morning realist. 7000 cubic meters times more than 5 kg I really need 7 to 800 ha for that. if I have to bring manure from the south to the far north, with roads and sampling and processing, I'm around 20 euros per cubic meter. drying is possible, but as I mentioned before, this is not yet easy,
the number of cubic meters at my company is indeed still on the meager side for the considerable investment. we are also busy making more of it
Which arable farmer do you think has an interest in fertilizer with 5 kg of phosphate on the land????

I'd throw it through a thong or something first.

And even with 35000 kg of phosphate you don't even need 800 bunder
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burke Brabant June 2, 2019
arable farming2.0
I have more than 5 kg in it, and 55 is allowed? kg p animal manure per ha? then I'm really somewhere around 7 to 800 ha.
ps the time that we will pay good money for our good products is coming to an end. if the customer also has to pay, there may be interest in a product of 40? kg p per ton, which can be spread on the land with the fertilizer spreader
Arable farming2.0 June 2, 2019
Precision farming is done through site-specific fertilization.
So not with a fertilizer spreader but just liquid with the field sprayer. At least the N, phosphate will still have to be paid by the producer. The same is true with solid manure, and then you still have the OS.

Because arable farming is simply allowed to supply too little phosphate for the current yields. If the pw number drops very fast, maybe you are only allowed to supply 55 kg in Brabant. In the north it is different, here, of course, in the past it was not raised with manure
mortgage farmer June 2, 2019
farmer Brabant,

It is true that iron has a phosphate-fixing effect. Only polymers are used on the Deskins decanter.
mortgage farmer June 2, 2019
farmer Brabant,

It is true that iron has a phosphate-fixing effect. Only polymers are used on the Deskins decanter. The thin fraction should already come out of the decanter quite clean.
Arie June 2, 2019
Every farmer has manure and sells it, with the current pig prices not a single point.
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