Crisis POV: again two board members resign

have they already reached the point where they have concrete plans for the sector and in particular how they want to use the remediation?
because you don't hear anything else except about this trammelt, but that is of no use to anyone else.

Rabobank is already carrying out the remediation plan. You just have to indicate that you want to stop. Everything can then be started immediately and you end up at zero. Nice is not it?

If you want to move forward as a pig farmer, you have to respond to opportunities and changes in the market, otherwise you won't make it...at least not me!

What is happening now with the advocacy in my opinion is that far too big plans are being made such as the vital pig farming plan (did you read it?)

And that instead of a fatty fish (which exists in the form of rights with which we can trade with the dairy cattle) we are left with a mouth full of gratin.

The solution for pig farming is so incredibly simple, only the drivers don't want it.

Perhaps we should introduce a dictatorship...... then strong decisions will be made, and then I will be the dictator!

That is how Dirk has often had contact with political parties that are actually all in favor of devising a construction for the conversion of pig rights to phosphate rights.
But the directors of NVV LTO probably do not want to keep the prices for the rights artificially low so that they can use them themselves and let old colleagues emaciate in fact.
pov LTO NVV all job hunters but don't come up with real solutions
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if the pig rights became exchangeable for dairy rights, the problems in pig farming would be solved in no time, but the directors at nvv and zlto do not want this, they themselves have too much interest in cheap pig rights

Willie can you give your opinion about that I'm curious what you think about it

Well, if they are appointed as a director, they should just as well be there for those who think they are going to remediate and want to use decent measures to make that possible.
Working out some practical plans then only all of those high-flowing texts if you read through that POV plan.
and what is the objection to, for example, allowing the conversion of pig rights to phosphate rights or, for example, poultry rights that are also more enthusiastic?
why be against that if you do it right for nature and the environment by means of a possible discount and get less manure as a result?

Dekil, with 10 percent exchangeable rights with dairy cattle we could have stopped the stoppers, the pig sector was 10 percent smaller, which is good for the manure problem, the stayers would have received good money for their 10 exchangeable rights and the phosphate problem of the dairy cattle had been solved by the dairy farming itself because they buy up the rights from the pig sector.
The big losers are those who lease because they have to be expensive, and I think that's the whole point!!!!

I have a lot of respect for the drivers.

But when it comes to rights, something strange is going on, with meetings the majority is ahead of it and the policy is aimed at abolition.

A monster has emerged with both the POR and leasing that paralyzes a strong policy.

Good evening,

SGP already indicated that "State Secretary Van Dam and a majority of Parliament want to leave it entirely to the sector and do not support it yet", because the pig sector indicates that it does not want it, see also http://www.boerderij.nl/Varkenshouderij/Nieuws/ 2016/3/NVV-and-LTO-Pig-farming-against-exchange-phosphate rights-2778868W/
That's why we came up with an intermediate variant. To loosen up the situation.

Yours faithfully,

JL (Jaco) Geurts
CDA Member of Parliament

Twt. @jacogeurts
If I understand correctly, you would like to see an exchange between phosphate rights and pig rights. As far as the VVD is concerned, this right can only be exchanged if it comes from the sectors concerned themselves, without government interference.

Did I answer your question with this? If not, I would be happy to receive a response.

Yours faithfully,
Noortje Lueb
Personal assistant Mrs. H. Lodders
Spokesperson for agriculture (EZ) and pensions (SZW)
House of Representatives of the States General
Title Rules for the responsible growth of dairy farming (Responsible Growth Dairy Farming Act)
Citation title The possibility of disposing of pig rights as dairy cattle phosphate rights
Type of Motion
Date 2016.04.14
Submitter Name Party Position
EMA Smaling SP Member of the House of Representatives

Source Date Action Type Meeting year Edition Number Start page End page
2016.04.14 Filed Acts II 2015 - 2016 077 9 15
2016.04.14 Detained Acts II 2015 - 2016 077 9 24
2016.06.30 Detained Acts II 2015 - 2016 103

Vote Date Result
2016.06.30 Held

Text The Room,
having heard the deliberation,
whereas about 20% of pig farmers are in financial difficulties;
Requests the government to come up with a plan whereby pig farmers who wish to do so are offered the once-only opportunity to sell pig rights as dairy cattle phosphate rights, whereby this plan also serves sustainability and meets motion 21501-32 no. 855 that the
government asks for a shift from quantity to quality of production,
And proceeds to the order of the day.
Yours faithfully,
Inez Staarink
SP Policy Officer Agriculture, Nature, Animals and Food
070-3183818

This has recently shown, among other things, that politics is not against or even for it.
If you take pig right compared to 1 "Koerecht" you are rounded 1 to 10 nml
approx. 4,45 for pig and 41,3 for a cow.
Cow about 5000 euros 10 pigs only 10x75 = 750 euros.
If it were to be halved, for example, due to a larger supply, than 2500 for Cow and about 250 for 10 pig rights, then remediation would be easier.

Correction must be 1 Pig Right then at about 250 euros, for example, but can be higher or lower due to the market forces that will then take place.
But because of this there will be more movement to be able to remediate

Don't know why that causes problems for the bank, did not hear from the ABN that there would be problems there, because people are less likely to pay for phosphate rights than they do now, and on the one hand the pigs can be more easily remediated, but do you think it will be a problem?

I certainly agree that an entire plan will be kicked off the ground in the Dairy Cattle Branch in the foreseeable future, while it feels like not much is happening in the Pig Branch at the moment other than a fight between the drivers.
Why the difference in treatment?

Missed opportunity for pig farming. Politically, the number of pigs in the Netherlands is unsustainable. In the next election there will be a left-wing majority and they will go in with the blunt axe.
Now is the time for a warm cleanup.
The problem is that you no longer see the pig farmers who want to remediate in boards and at meetings dominated by the big caterpillars.

The sector has to make its own policy, banks and other heirs are business partners and nothing more.

If we had used our strength and arranged things with the dairy and poultry sectors, we would have received the green light from the politicians.

Now we are going to drift and politics takes over and the sector comes up with the grandiose plan to hand in a million kilos of phosphate for nothing to save what can be saved.

I am a keeper, have invested a lot and I believe that we should move to a smaller sector that is powerful and enjoys support/respect from society.

Larger sector only leads to frustration and slavery in the service of our heirs.

After all, we are entrepreneurs with a big problem, then we have to solve it if the opportunity presents itself as could have been done with the rights.

Expecting a solution from the government like now with the cows, I think is a big certificate of inability and we therefore deserve the scorn of society if we do not learn from this, we are not spoiled toddlers after all.....

Make your voice heard at the meetings. When you have time to respond to the Internet, you also have time to respond to meetings. Another neighbor stopped here with pigs, bank crosses out a million and neighbor can start again with a clean slate. The one who is having a hard time now will certainly not get better in the coming years if he muddles through.

Thank you for your input. You bring up a good point. An integrated cross-sector solution should have been found in the phosphate debate. Now, without further ado, extending the POR scheme seems problematic in view of the circumstances. I agree with you that politics should focus more and, above all, earlier on these kinds of situations.
Yours faithfully,
Inez Staarink
SP Policy Officer Agriculture, Nature, Animals and Food
070-3183818
At the office: Tues, Wed and Thurs

explanation from the SP, but also others indicated that if the sectors do not work out, then the politicians will have to do it, because they also realize that this way there will be no good plan in this regard.
Because if one does not propose solutions by the various stand organizations and they hear from different sides (doubting or like to stop farmers) that they would like clarity, they may be able to impose it as a dictate.
SGP/CDA real agricultural parties are also in favor, but expect the pig sector in particular to come up with proposals, preferably together with the poultry farmers and dairy farmers' organisations.
I have heard of Wiegersma being the chairman for the NMV, but your organization has not (yet) said that, see below;
We have already introduced what you propose several times, but it is not negotiable by the other parties, but who knows, maybe there will be another chance, by the way.
there is still five million euros ready for the POV for one million phosphate

Yours faithfully,

Harm Wiegersma

we'll just have to wait and see how who will have a say in politics later,
then there will be more clarity, because there is now more money to solve certain situations, now that the economy is doing better, that makes a difference

Where are those who are against exchange in this discussion?

I know of some directors who are against the fact that they themselves have many lease rights and therefore want to abolish them, both in pigs and poultry.

Let's throw in the bat in meetings and demand clarity where everyone stands both for or against and self-interest, I've already done it once and almost all those present were in favor of rights and exchange and the administrators against.

By the way, I am in favor of rights and exchange all have their own rights.

If it is really the case that the opponents/policy makers do this out of self-interest, then we shamelessly squander our interests because leasing is gambling for profit.

And retaining rights is the basis for keeping the pig and poultry sectors manageable.

The word 'business development' is misused to keep growing and we are really wasting all of society's credits with it.

and then one more thing: if a choice is made for rights, it will also be over with the crazy prices as now in poultry because then it will be over with speculating that the rights will disappear anyway, if you cannot afford an extension buy without rights then it's just a shame but unfortunately.

well spoken Dirk
self-interest over the public interest
usually like this with drivers