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Is it possible to borrow money for phosphate rights?

15 September 2017 - Redactie Boerenbusiness - 22 comments

Dairy farmers who want to purchase phosphate rights and need financing to do so are confronted with a very reticent attitude on the part of the banks. Nevertheless, there are possibilities, says Peter Pals director of Farmers Funding. 

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Greuste cartoffelbauer 15 September 2017
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Then you just buy it with your own money. LIFE is sometimes simple.
Greuste cartoffelbauer 15 September 2017
Life is so simple
has 15 September 2017
must first come the derogation.
Farmer Joop 15 September 2017
If no one buys, eventually everyone will get some extra phosphate space again through the stoppers. Much smarter than paying these silly prices.
will it continue then?? 15 September 2017
Will phosphate rights continue then? There is a promise: no derogation, no phosphate rights!! The conditions for derogation 2018 are not even known. Soon they will introduce a ban on corn cultivation as conditions. Then it gets really fun
Hans 15 September 2017
Seems to me a clear interview, in which the self-interest of Peter Pals does not remain unexposed.
Look, for a sector that produces milk, I don't think it is at all a disadvantage that there are phosphate rights, only the price will be the stumbling block.
The more often the market (so we) are told that they are needed, the more we start to believe in it, right..........
Phosphate rights are fine, and this time I praise the attitude of the banks because sky-high prices will seriously damage our cost price.
I also think it's wonderful to see how such traders can manipulate the market so well in advance that everyone will believe it!!
Good luck everyone, make your own choice!!
andre vw 15 September 2017
Have the above dairy farmers never paid for milk quota?
2 euros per liter x 8000 so 16000 euros for 1 cow.
Greuste cartoffelbauer 15 September 2017
andre vw wrote:
Have the above dairy farmers never paid for milk quota?
2 euros per liter x 8000 so 16000 euros for 1 cow.

But then the banks were still kind to the farmers.
andre vw 15 September 2017
Banks should not be sweet but businesslike.
Incidentally, I think the bank is currently a bit "preferred" I now pay 2% interest in the time of Quota around 5%.
Hans 15 September 2017
andre vw,
That is precisely the big problem.
If we are not careful, the Netherlands will get a huge cost booster that other European countries do not have.
andre vw 15 September 2017
Hans,

The banks are actually very content with the rights.
New money is being made (out of thin air).
For example, a company with little equity capital (Intensive) is suddenly much more valuable.
So less risk for the bank.

Cost price is not too bad 2% interest of 8000,00 is only 160,00 per cow.
In the time of lease milk, many people paid 0,20 cents per liter, which times 8000 liters is already 1600,00 euros per cow.
FYI I didn't participate in that, there were plenty of tireless colleagues who paid me that.
farmer 15 September 2017
End of derogation fine anyway.

I've never understood why corn falls under a derogation at a cattle rancher and not at a neighbor's arable farmer.
farmer 15 September 2017
End of derogation fine anyway.

I've never understood why corn falls under a derogation at a cattle rancher and not at a neighbor's arable farmer.
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Dirk 16 September 2017
If a derogating participant sows wheat, I believe it also falls within the 80-20% ratio of grassland to arable land.
Has nothing to do with crop type [maize in this case]
geert 16 September 2017
this trade is good for the banks and brokers, less good for the dairy farmers
farmer 16 September 2017
Yes, crop does not matter for derogation.

So it remains strange that a cattle farmer does get a derogation and an arable farmer does not.

Probably due to the efficient use of the manure that is spread in February because the pit is full.
Dirk 16 September 2017
Is that right? that an arable farmer cannot apply for a derogation? I think so.
In any case, he would have to meet the conditions for this, such as 80% of his acreage in grass, etc. etc.
That's not very realistic.
info 17 September 2017
The fact that phosphate rights are for sale is, I think, given by the government, if we spend the profit that is now being made on these rights and do not pay extra, you will not impose an extra financial burden on your company and because of these purchased rights the next year you will have more profit that next year and you can then buy some again, slow growth is certainly better mentally and mentally than rapid growth. We need to learn not to be too crazy.
farmer 18 September 2017
Dirk wrote:
Is that right? that an arable farmer cannot apply for a derogation? I think so.
In any case, he would have to meet the conditions for this, such as 80% of his acreage in grass, etc. etc.
That's not very realistic.


What should a farmer do with grass?????

The point is that there can and should be no difference in usage standards between arable farming and livestock farming
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wig maker 18 September 2017
Just make all livestock land-bound just like the rest of Europe.
Do we not need phosphate rights
Otherwise reintroduce manure sales contracts, ban manure export.
Chicken rights, pig rights, phosphate rights, what nonsense and all this increases costs.
Peer 27 September 2017
shrinking the dairy herd and introducing a production ceiling through phosphate rights is no longer a question! A new fact that every cow farmer should do something with. Pals certainly has an interest of his own, but I think he understands what's going on and I can do something with that.
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Pieter 15 August 2018
andre vw wrote:
Have the above dairy farmers never paid for milk quota?
2 euros per liter x 8000 so 16000 euros for 1 cow.
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