'Make production rights interchangeable'

Can the pig sector buy up the cows in good times

Great plan, Pig farmer can decide for himself.

I wonder if this man got it, it's time he got off the stage instead of causing a stir
If the market allows it, add something to every dairy farmer, otherwise a little less
Leave the bulkheads in between
So not interchangeable, let each sector cap its own beans
Why more cows, after all, milking is much more fun in 2017 than 2015 or 2016 in terms of price

I think it's an excellent plan and immediately solves a lot of problems.

1. Phosphate Rights Won't Get Ridiculously Expensive
2. The pig sector can undergo a warm remediation.
3. Entrepreneurship remains intact in the Netherlands
4. Brabant solves its problem
5. Fair distribution of the problems within agriculture in the Netherlands.

I think a lot of pig farmers secretly hope that this will be made possible.
The prices that are now being paid for phosphate rights (by chasing down brokers!) will undermine the competitive position of Dutch dairy farming. This has already happened in the pig sector. By making this interchangeable, both sectors will be helped.

You can piss it off, but there's someone here who at least is calculating. And think outside the box. Nothing comes of the LTO because they want to be friends with everyone, and serve several masters.

Finally someone who just says it out loud, what everyone else is thinking.

There will be many pig farmers who think it's a good plan, but leave the good pig farmers alone.
This way you destroy it, that can't be the intention

This is a good proposal from Jan Cees Vogelaar. We have a real one here
win/win situation in livestock farming. The pig rights of the stoppers then do not have to be surrendered to the never having enough big stayers for almost nothing.

What I say longer is that the ultimate goal is to throw all intensive agriculture over the fence in the Netherlands. The 'citizen' is ignorant and therefore completely under the influence of environmental groups that have only one ultimate goal.

Let's first set the subsidy flow to dairy farming to zero. Then the price of phosphate rights will fall sharply. Pig farming can then buy up the dairy rights.

Finally a quiet explanation moment from and by someone with knowledge.
Pig farming is also faced with too few successors in the future. His preservation and calculation content sound more positive than what comes out of other mouths. Whatever we think about it in the Netherlands. We have high-quality grounds relative to and on many other parts of the world. Who do we give food / food worthy proteins! Of course, not everything has to come from the Netherlands. Unfortunately at the end he forgets that we/Pig Farming in the 80s and 90s secured the derogation at the time. But a very positive ending. Top Now the rest of the executives hope they look and listen better AND LEARN this into the future.

@Ronnie.
I don't know where you got the wisdom that 'all pig farmers' want to sell their rights. I know many of them, but haven't heard one say that the rights should be interchangeable.

Vogelaar and, a few years ago, Hogenkamp came up with thorough substantiation, most of which linger in oversimplified cries of death and worthless. Now that the price decline in the pig sector is starting again and will be more severe than before (because of the extreme peak), the new POV board will also have to start counting. If not, others will do it for you.

why not meet up; convert a total of one million pig rights to cows.
and make an appointment; up to 300 pig rights per pig farmer can be sold like this

If we now cold remediate 50% of the intensive (plume) livestock farming, the problem is solved.
And I read here and there that the farmers can do what they want with their land, in the first place that land belongs to the bank, but what is much, much more important is that the shit and therefore the pollution does not stay on the land , it goes everywhere we don't want it, and fortunately we citizens have something to say about that.

the pov is only there for the stayers and they want cheap rights

Why cold remediation of the poultry sector Herman@ ?? What have they done to you? The poultry sector has no problem, that manure does not end up on the soil in the Netherlands. It is the only sector that does not have a manure problem and do you want to remediate it cold?
Warm remediation is allowed, you can only do that by throwing out the bulkheads for a few months. People in The Hague are busy with this. ( public secret)

If Brussels refuses the derogation, the problem will also be solved within the dairy farming sector itself. It is too crazy for words that a cattle farmer is allowed to use more manure than an arable farmer, while on average the yield per HA is higher.

Let the POV indeed have a vote among the pig farmers. Then release will not be a problem. And many problems will be solved.

That last Hans would be the best, but the power also increases for the stayers.
Now that there are more and more articles on this subject and therefore also more known to people who keep up with the news less, I think that the willingness is increasing also by politicians and organizations, and the POV is getting more and more stuck.

Great plan. Especially with a view to the end of the stopper arrangement.
Hope the POV will come to an end. And not only looking after the interests of the big stayers.

Do you still sell your pig rights to a pig farmer and buy your cow rights again, what is the problem, do all sectors continue to exist in the Netherlands.

it is an excellent plan that can be clearly understood. and politically also nice light I think

the pov only has an eye for the big shouters I know for sure if there is an exchange many pig farmers will start calculating and choose eggs for their money so for a warm remediation instead of an ice cold one, but janssen thinks she should decide for us I say late us free in our choice and don't let your ears hang to those vultures who want to buy our companies for a penny in bad times

I hope there is support for this. I envy the prices of the phosphate rights. if I convert it to my pig straight, I can stop debt-free tomorrow. POV listen to this and make it happen

Little survivor the pov is only for the big boys

Jan Cees as a lobbyist for Netwerk Grondig, you know; the club of and for large landowners.

it's very simple:

After the introduction of the phosphate rights, cows move from the surplus areas to the extensive areas. Dairy farms that are not land-bound sell the land to other dairy farms that are not land-bound so that they have the prospect of growth again. Within 5 years, thanks to the phosphate rights, all dairy farms will be land-bound. In order to grow after that, a minimum of 30 to 40 thousand euros is needed for each cow (land, cow, stable, straight, stock) and the growth will be minimal.

Due to the massive conversion of pig rights to phosphate rights, the transition to land-based dairy farming will not get off the ground.

Are you aware that poultry phosphate can save the dairy sector? Costs next to nothing. I say bulk out.

Would be good for many pig farmers, who continue to have more power, and other warmer clean up, but yes POV top with the big pig barons rather let the little ones starve until they get alms.
How long can the POV keep ignoring this?????

the idea of ​​converting a maximum of 1 million pig rights into cows.
and agree to sell a maximum of 300 rights per pig farmer to a cow farmer. is to give all pig farmers something extra.
but farmers give each other something? that has yet to be invented.

If this succeeds, the price of pig rights will double and the value of phosphate rights will drop by 75%.
Can the money be used for animal welfare instead of air

Simply brand 10% of all pig rights and make it interchangeable if necessary. with creaming. There are so many pig farmers with outdated barns that want to close and a lot of new cattle barns that are never completely finished. This is simply a unique opportunity for everyone. The exchangeable pig rights may go to 400 euros and the other pig rights to 200. Also for the stayer, it is still nice capital growth of say 5000 rights of 100 euros extra.

curly tail,
"By the way: Nice for the pig farmer who has just stopped. 100 euros for the pig rights and 300 euros next year?"

A month ago I bought Air France/KLM shares for €14 and are now worth less than €12. Where can I recover the decrease in value?

In short, this is a non argument.

Can someone explain to me what I have in capital that has no return on it?

inflating the rights prices is nice for the books but doesn't make any extra money. and the banks don't finance on it, so that capital increase is cool for the stayers.

Next year, the surplus cows will be removed and a normal manure market.

If you do not see a return on the capital of those rights, you still have the opportunity to sell them dearly and invest in things with a higher return and you start leasing rights again.

Land-based dairy farms simply have to let them grow Until they have reached the ceiling of the Manure Act Don't buy any phosphate rights at all, just let the latent space be used The land has already been paid dearly Let each sector solve its own problem After all, livestock farmers did not receive a beet quota in the past either

So the high lease price is not an extra cost for the young pig farmer who still wants to start now? Let it be said here honestly that you would like to stop easily yourself and you do not wish pig farming in the Netherlands a future!!!! What do you think if the rights will cost 400 € what the lease price will do? How on earth am I going to pay for that?
Young farmer still enjoys working in pig farming

The advantage of a young farmer is that there are still plenty of opportunities to take advantage of. Perhaps it would be better to wait and see when the rights will soon be 300 euros. In a few years' time, when the equilibrium is somewhat balanced again and the pig prices are low, the rights prices could just drop below 100 euros again.