'Drinking water research full of incorrect facts'

Yes everything bio. what planet are you from?

Say max, then you will become a farmer. Are you tired of all kinds of pests that we can hardly or no longer combat at all and then people like you want us to stop doing anything chemically? If that happens, I'll cut it, I'm not going to lie down for months to pick weeds because someone else wants it so much, then you better do it yourself. My father used to say that they were a bit happy that pesticides were coming, that they no longer had to lie on their knees for days on their knees weeding and yes, also in the blazing sun, I pass for that. And then more and more people go to the pharmacy to collect chemical products for themselves, which then ends up in the drinking water, how bad can one think.

@Max, Typical again such a thing but not in my backyard story. The fact that 3 ha (and therefore also 3 X as much fertilizer and pesticides) are needed for every ha here abroad is something they ignore. I assume that Max is also or has been a student. 30-40 years ago huge student protests against the lack of housing. The students from then are now in government and the problem is at least as big, if not bigger, than it was then. If you do NOT want to solve problems then you should listen to students or ex-students.

Max, with your plans you should stop importing food immediately

Dear Max,

For the sake of convenience, I assume that you live and grew up in the city, when you are going to express an opinion it is useful that you are well informed and that from several sides.

It is a myth that all farmers can become organic for several reasons. We will then be able to provide food for approximately 2 billion of the world's population. (What do we do with the other 6.5 - 7 billion?) The organic sector in the Netherlands has a right to exist thanks to the common neighbor who keeps harmful fungi out. The organic sector is a huge polluter with the gas burner and frequent hoeing, which also causes a massive insect death. The organic farmer injects heavy metals to keep his crops disease-free. For comparison; empty a bus of copper or a bus of Revus, the soil on which Revus has been emptied does not give any residue after 6 months, however, the soil where copper has been emptied has been completely dead for 20 years, so no more growth possible...
When it comes to employment, we are really going back in time. The organic farmer is the modern slave driver, only the whip is missing. The Eastern European workers are treated in a derogatory way, with regard to access, wages, housing and so on. If a Pole doesn't do his job properly, he or she has to fuck off and a new can has to be opened. The employer seldom wonders whether he would like to be treated this way in a country that is foreign to him or her. Finally, I would like to inform you that there is no organic farmer who thinks like you, who think that the market should not be crowded with organic products so that prices (yes, it is only about the Euros) come under pressure and hope that their neighbor especially does not become biological due to the diseases and pest pressure...

I know an organic farmer with a whip.
he is now taking language lessons to tell people from southeast asia the difference between ragwort and crops.

let's hope you don't get sick maxie, I assume you are also against the biggest poison use, namely the drugs? that is what we most often encounter in our water!

Against a lot of shitty human diseases people use very heavy GIf, stop immediately max?

unbelievable that organic farmers are so glorified, Polish workers are imported and exploited to pick weeds on their knees all day for minimal wages.
Governments are queuing up to grant all kinds of subsidies and glorify their organic brothers.
Half Flevoland will be organic, but it will take my time.

well in a few years we will be obliged to spray less chemicals. you are forced to work with task cards that come from a soil sensor or from a drone idem for fertilizer because you can only have a few kilos per crop. if you can't do that you have to hand in the rent or you will be cut .. same with dormancy, you are forced to build a mechanical cooling with solar panels and if you don't do that .. sorry we won't come to pick up your product. and that shit about bio this and dio that. everyone organic. fine then I'll go into forestry. I open a can of poles with canned chainsaws and we saw down all the trees. because yes you need more soil .. and dry everything up to the mudflats. the whole world to the bio.. you don't have any rainforest and oceans left.. am a bit fed up with this.. all that bullshit from knowledgeable people.. k*t nos just cry that we spray poison in drinking water .. most of the people only read the headline. and before you know it, a farmer riding a syringe is worth a middle finger.

That's right, we are also busy working on those new rules for next year. doubling the cultivation-free zone or exchanging your 5 year old airtech that is worth nothing for a very expensive wing sprayer, macgrow or else put your caps at 25 cm and your tree at 30 cm with a balancing system and limit your tractor to 8 km per hour. By the way, don't you read anywhere "how well we are on the road"

to sum up:
1) subsidy for GPS with task maps and adapt your sprayer that can perform your task on a map with section or per cap because you do not gain much with 45m or 36m performing your task for the average arable farm.
2) subsidy for renewing your storage shed because it contains residues of chlorine. or new construction. or convert to gas with 1,4 wallet empty sight.
3) subsidy to buy a new sprayer that complies with the rules not to have a double cultivation-free zone or to spray agents with 97,5% in a few years, perhaps more than half of the resources.
4) subsidy to apply for subsidy.

I'm going from under my tree. get the syringe ready for tonight. because peach aphids have been found in the beets.

I sympathize with you, I am also completely done with that nagging and ignorance, if I have to, I don't need it anymore. When will there ever be an advocate who says enough is enough, we will do this and then it is done. This way it never ends.

I am against slavery, except the cabinet, ban Polish workers, then conventional agriculture will get more space and less hunger in the world!!
And stop with fake news!!

I think we can point out Erik, we farmers are already on the right track! now the citizen with his poison sprays on box hedges and medicines in the water.

Frog nice quoted poison spraying on boxwood hedge, heard this story on early birds due to high concentrations of pesticides in the inner cities. The big question remained who was the cause of those high concentrations of pesticides, it was the residents themselves, the next question was how do these people get such pesticides, very simple to order via Alieexpress, delivered by post, it can't be easier day caterpillars day butterflies day bees day blackbirds........

The consumer measures with2 standards if the farmer uses crop protection products, the poison here is poison there, poison everywhere, but if the cat has fleas then fipronil is no problem at all and the same goes for the boxwood moth.

Can't really blame the citizen either. if they use something against the moth in the boxwood, they do not know what the consequences are for a sparrow or a great tit. and if they use a flea collar they don't know it's fipronil. they know that now because it's been in the news.. all this consumer bullshit about farmer's poison is the fault of the national media, sensational newspapers and even the regional newspapers. DJs from well-known radio programs also mention on the radio that drinking water has been poisoned by the farmer's GBM. and they play another record... they shout things and the citizen hears only poison and burp.

instead that the media says about the trade agreement with South America what products can come in cheaply and what kind of residue is on it .. and that the Dutch products are much cleaner and without GMO. you heard nothing about it.
sad all. make a fist. 1 year nothing to grow, milk and bring to the slaughter. Then take a look at what is happening in the Netherlands. half the trucks are standing still, hope unemployment. slaughterhouses closed, processing companies closed, breeding companies closed.

Idd, and what about all the import food that allows food to remain cheap all year round and everyone can eat what they want for next to nothing.
It is quickly forgotten that this food comes from Farawaygistan and is produced according to very different standards.
#agribashing a colleague mentioned this last week. hypocrisy with a golden edge.

I'm afraid most people don't care what the agri sector adds financially to the economy, they only see poison and dead animals etc.
With import, they no longer see poison and dead animals and if the price in the supermarket also remains low, it is completely well arranged for the consumer.

Great attempt by j baeke van lto ned in the attack against the pbl. an aging sector and it is impossible to follow up a company a fruit grower who is deeply disappointed in governments and lto and nfo

You shouldn't be so hard on Max.
He can't help it that he was born without a mind.
That's bad enough.

History always repeats itself.....

Why did we switch to the current system in recent years, while working 30 years and more back according to the system we want now?

All pesticides are extensively tested and approved by the CTGB.

Max: You probably don't know, but there are hundreds of farmers who are already on a waiting list to become organic producers. Unfortunately, there is more supply than demand. 95% of the population of the Netherlands understands that farmers are doing just fine; the other 5% are making such a fuss. They only want one thing: all livestock out of the Netherlands, while they do not understand what it is all about and what results have been achieved in the last - especially - ten years.
Furthermore, the consumer apparently wants to pay more for a bottle of water than for a carton of milk..... Yes, then it becomes difficult.......

Furthermore the following:
Developments 1980 to 2018
Inhabitants in the Netherlands 1980 14 million, now 17 million,
Cars in the Netherlands 1980 4 million, now more than 12 million (also called "holy cows",
Flight movements Schiphol: 1980 185.0000 480.000, now more than XNUMX,
Dairy cows: 1980 2,4 million, now around 1,7 million.....

Conclusion:
Everything depends on the cows and agriculture......

I thought that farmers appreciate that there is a nuanced discussion about what they do or do not do as farmers. But that doesn't automatically mean that respect is mutual?

We still have 100.000 cows more than in 1950. There were no good Flevopolders then and nop polder was still under development. When the agriculture is not going well, the bio ladies can get a meadow cheaper for their horses, there must be at least 2. You can obtain many different plants and flowers by thinning this soil as much as possible. Deficiencies in their horses do not occur, but they do feed supplements galore. The da (veterinarian) has to come for every change. A trimmer has to come every 2/3 weeks, not a farrier, those are yes. Apart from a few, no one knows any plants, that's what social media is for. No fertilization wait a minute they use lava flour (lime form) and sea salt (sodium/potassium). A few smart people use clover as a nitrogen supplier, but they have to watch out for gas colic when this dry summer clover is expanding explosively. At the moment there are more horses da. then cow da. talk about antibiotics. Wouldn't surprise me if the number of ponies/horses exceeds the number of cows in the Netherlands. In any case, the registration is not in order. Many of these animals that are chipped and have a passport do not mention the correct owner, but often the breeder. A conclusive registration of the number cannot be found with the government, let alone where they are located. (Except for larger numbers of remainder falls under hobby) Manure accounting discharge uncontrollable due to the amount of straw in manure will be in order: yes, this can be lost for free. For how long with all these herbal seeds in the manure. In any case, these ladies ensure a food production restriction in the Netherlands and income. Doing massively what our green people want will instantly silence any negative statement about agriculture. Why is export so important to agriculture when it yields so little in terms of individual scholarship and prestige?

Many horse enthusiasts come from the higher segment, the political elite really does not care.