Baudet: 'Farmers should be allowed to do their own thing'

Is your right Johnnie.... in the US half is for Trumpie, the other half is against.

You can also set up a farmer's party, but before that has any effect, I'm afraid that half of the farmers will already be gone....

politics really isn't going to raise the standard, they never admit mistakes. Let it get stricter and the entire economy will collapse on its own. The green lie reigns.

and what is Paul Cliteur doing at this party..?

That is why we have to have good grades, supervisor, and then they have to deal fairly with agriculture! They really have to admit mistakes.

We are not waiting for the economy to collapse, are we? We really don't get any better than that.

And Janus, don't focus on Paul Cliteur, he was committed to animals, don't we?

https://energie-milieu.blogspot.com/2019/08/stikstofverbindingen-2-biologische.html

what a hypocrite
must cost the slacker

I'm glad I've already voted for him, the only party that stands up for the farmers.

That reaction is funny. No, this policy we've had for the last 20 years has been 100 points. Man man man. It has become one big gang. Green sister green like that. Hopeless policy. come on baudet

the great majority is a hypocrite in the 2nd room.
I wonder if that judge who knocked the pass down is okay

Forum for Democracy is the solution for us the farmers! We farmers have to get moving now, so also vote for the Forum for Democracy!

Job, not only the solution for farmers but for the whole of the Netherlands. If we allow agriculture to go to Eastern Europe and into the hands of the largest parties in the world, our country will only be good for consumption and so we are at the mercy of the globalists.

Watch out for FD. This party is anti EU. If we all want to continue to produce as much as we do now (and that's what all the demonstrations are for!!) then we really need the EU to get rid of all products. And I know that there are people who think differently about this, but saying yes now (to FvD) is never going back!! Baudet is a master at editing people.

Within ten years we will regret not having participated with the English.
If you have to deal with that bunch of arrogant idiots in Brussels, you can make your will

Floor apparently just got a new broom. She's very busy cleaning her own street

So Piet just vote for VVD, CU and CDA or D66 and then cry, cry if nothing changes.... it's also a way.

That's how it has been for years, now eight years Rutte and see how they treat people everywhere things go wrong, healthcare, education, justice, police, lawyers, environment, etc. It's not just with the farmers!

If the people as massively as the farmers went to The Hague, vote for a different party, you can make a difference.....

We will go again on Wednesday but I know from experience that that will not help either. There is only one way!

I think he is a very special man.. but he does say what we want to hear.. and we know that all other parties cannot be trusted. So my vote goes to fvd again but I don't know if it will really work either

It's your own fault we're in this shit. You should vote right. So. And for the EU fanatics: The UK is really not going to sink after Brexit. It really does float. And in the long run, they are the boss in their own house.

Info from the site StichtingDemeter.nl

There is a direct relationship between the use of fertilizers, chemical-synthetic pesticides (including the highly toxic neonicotinoid) and the loss of biodiversity. Like the dying bees that pollinate our crops. This directly threatens our food supply.

So in addition to ammonia as a result of fertilizers, highly toxic insecticides are also a cause of the decline in biodiversity.

If, according to Demeter, farmers would apply at least 10% biodiversity to the edges of their land and use less toxic insecticides and regular manure instead of artificial fertilizers, they could possibly do this. Keeping bees yourself could already restore biodiversity to a significant extent.

Regardless of whether further biodynamic requirements are met...

That is a much more positive approach because it improves biodiversity Thierry offers no solution for this. So he doesn't mention it.

No universal size is currently applied within the EU. In that respect, measurements are unreliable and unfair. Comparing countries is so skewed. Thierry is right that if Germany gets away with a 140x larger size, then there is no reason for NL not to use the same size as well. With such an extreme measure as now, the farmers are being screwed and the government thus declares itself a traitor.
The Belgians also use a measurement that is 12% more positive.

Moreover, I find it very remarkable that if the EU is so eager to promote unity, there is no uniform measure within the EU and those measurements could therefore be averaged over the whole of Europe instead of per country. NL is the number 1 agricultural exporter in Europe, quantitatively and qualitatively, and other countries also benefit from this for their food supply.
Even if we were to count as a province of the EU, a more appreciative attitude from the EU can be expected than the EU is now showing!!!

https://youtu.be/BFUWuPkDTqc

https://www.stichtingdemeter.nl/biodiversiteit

Next elections I will vote for Fvd. By the way, it makes little difference to FdF, the v becomes an F at the end.
However!!!!
Do they have to somehow discharge / silence Pistole Paultje?
Otherwise they don't have my vote.
But this is now information for Maurice de Hond.

!!

I think you are telling a lot of nonsense POLICY BASED ON FACT

@Mark

with your foundation you miss the mark.

The disappearance of biodiversity, the dying off of trees, making humanity sick is for a very large part caused by RADIATION: first 3G, then 4G and later 5G.
Asbestos has also been super healthy for 45 years...until it turned out to be a killer.
The mobile phone masts are the killer of our entire human and nature existence.
Blaming farmers is easy, but THAT is not the cause. Baudet is involved in politics and is also a born paid liar, but he is closest to it!

Europe needs to be overhauled as it is now, but this will not happen, for that we need a financial crisis squared first, who knows...
Socialists are now ruling Europe and destroying it. Freedom, happiness doesn't just happen

Mark my words

@Tamara
they have already forgotten that a few years ago they made the exact opposite claim. because they could win votes with that. and so it will continue to be with these populist parties, blowing with all the winds to win souls. after the elections they have already forgotten about the farmers.

What I don't understand is the squabbling on a specific person or party, left or right doesn't matter.
Politics in its total collective has dropped agriculture, left, right, conservative, liberal, democratic, social, green or red.
The fact that a few underprivileged people suddenly act as if they are standing up for the farmers is a good proof of this.

don't let the farmers give up too quickly. Below you will find why.

https://youtu.be/9McftccxTkw

I don't know if you watched the nitrogen debate yesterday, but FvD talked about limiting immigration and PVV about ordinary farmers with 50 animals who should not suffer from it. the mega stables with more than 1000 animals there, the problem had to be solved. Don't listen to sweet talk on a stage, but watch what is said and voted in the room! POLICY BASED ON FACTS!

Fellow citizens don't let the current elite scare you and the feverish desire to cling to the EU (Brussels). We Dutch deliver quality and everyone wants quality. We are really losing our products on the world market, we can easily do without the EU! Only then will we be free from those stifling rules from Brussels. And the Netherlands can sail its own course again and believe me... we Dutch can sail that like the best!

It has also been suggested to recruit soldiers outside the EU, Erdogan and his associates can infiltrate even better.
Who is this organizer of the modern Trojan horse?

New elections as soon as possible, that Schouten is a disaster for the farmer, VVD and CDA will support her just like D66. Then bear is completely loose. Go back to The Hague. Baudet does not make it any less.

I wonder is there a problem with nitrogen. Or is there no problem with nitrogen. I don't think anyone can provide an answer here. Few measures some calculations and what modules and what it may be called . Error margins that are actually between 0 and 100 percent so in fact it will be nothing or 100 times worse than expected. And where it ends up is also the question is that near the emission point or further away . How can one see from whom the nitrogen comes . Are there differences between industry, construction, traffic, and the scapegoat agriculture, Everyone is an expert but actually they all know nothing like what measurements and calculations and assumptions and whoops we have numbers. Measure at all trades and companies in all sectors What they emit . So not just nitrogen. Get started with this to reduce this per company for each substance. Those who do not cooperate are given the choice to start a reduction process or buy out if permits are in order. The story starts with nitrogen and what comes after the nitrogen. Why not bite the bullet right now . Then it may seem painful now. But if in a few years the same figures think they have found dust again, then whining will start again from the beginning. does not resemble nitrogen.

Why is nature of the past so sacred. In the past, only a few people walked the earth. Dinosaurs have disappeared thanks to the evolution of the whole world. Do we now want to stop this evolution,. The earth has been changing for billions of years, and yes if there is a lot of life, this will also contribute to these changes. So what! If nature changes and plant species, insects, etc. may disappear, other species may return. Take care of our beautiful landscape (mainly maintained by the agricultural sector) and stop this madness.

I really hope it won't happen, but I sometimes think, if there was another serious recession, the current political nonsense would be immediately gone. At the moment, the whole of politics is concerned about every fart that is let (whether or not in the right place). Have nothing better to do.

Dear farmers,
As a city dweller, I saw a real cow up close once and that was at a petting zoo ;-) But programs such as Our farm by Yvon Jaspers do give us many new insights. And now because of the misery with nitrogen compounds with ammonia, the farmers come into the picture and the whole of the Netherlands gets to know who and what our farmers are. Is there a lot of appreciation for your profession and many Dutch people are behind you.

As for FVD and Thierry Baudet, this man never intended to enter politics, but started the Ukraine referendum due to mismanagement by the government. And that's how it all started with him. When you see how he is being blackmailed by the left-wing media, it must be something to think about why that is. I think because he exposes the whole left-wing ideology.
And "they" fall over him. Rutte is allowed to lie and spin, but nevertheless receives little criticism in the media.

I think it is a good and honest interview and can agree on many things.
But I don't come here empty handed and have found something on the internet that might mean something to you. I don't know the company but maybe he has the answer.

https://www.omropfryslan.nl/nieuws/911909-bolswarder-bedrijf-denkt-oplossing-voor-stikstofprobleem-te-hebben?amp

I see that many readers are pleased with the story of that Baudet. He seems to support the farmers, but I think he uses that as a stepping stone to (total) political power. Read about this, for example, Alex de Jong ('What does Baudet want, and what should the left do in return' - Globalinfo) or Marijn Kruk ('How Thierry Baudet hung on the lips of Jean-Marie Le Pen' - DeCorrespondent).

That Baudet may not be good enough, but the rest does nothing at all

I see that many readers are pleased with the story of that Baudet. He seems to support the farmers, but I think he uses that as a stepping stone to (total) political power. Read about this, for example, Alex de Jong ('What does Baudet want, and what should the left do in return' - Globalinfo) or Marijn Kruk ('How Thierry Baudet hung on the lips of Jean-Marie Le Pen' - DeCorrespondent).

Jurgen, that way you can make everyone black. If you read Mein Kampf and your neighbor knows that, he can insinuate all kinds of things about you too, that you hang on Hitler's lips.
Furthermore, I do not want to abuse this forum to respond to your dislike of Baudet.
This forum is intended to support farmers.

Perhaps Jurgen should read a little more about what is hidden behind the leaders of the Green Left. The dogs don't like it. In comparison, Baudet is a good choirboy.

Jurgen, that way you can make everyone black. If you read Mein Kampf and your neighbor knows that, he can insinuate all kinds of things about you too, that you hang on Hitler's lips.
Furthermore, I do not want to abuse this forum to respond to your dislike of Baudet.
This forum is intended to support farmers.

In order to contribute ideas to a solution for the farmers, I went looking for solutions.
I came across a Dutch inventor who made a cow toilet and will put it on the market in 2020.
It would save more than 60% in ammonia emissions.
I'll include the youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_W6XqJncb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m2hgXDsAo

Southern farmer agree!!

I'm not concerned with the negative bullshit about Baudet, but rather focus on the cows' bullshit :-)

an honest interview with Baudet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVSj37cG2A

'Something strange is happening with the numbers'
The Mesdag Dairy Fund itself states that 'it seems as if RIVM has something to hide'. That government organization has (finally) made a number of datasets available.
The Mesdag Dairy Fund is having this calculation model for the method of nitrogen calculations by RIVM examined by American scientists. We are curious what will come out of that.

https://www.melkvee.nl/artikel/221643-mesdagfonds-tevreden-over-gesprek-met-rivm-over-stikstofberekeningen/

Each calculation model is nothing more than a toolkit (with manipulable assumptions) to reinforce policy goals.

Input -> Model -> Output
The input regarding aviation is already wrong, see eg. at https://shorturl.me/QTR3XF5.

Why calculate at all, if it is already being measured, among other things. by RIVM itself and by NASA satellites?
See https://shorturl.me/73pCcr and https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/12096

@wouter link is not correct!?

if we don't pay attention ourselves, we know little about history who thinks he's in the right place at baudet.

Yes, history repeats itself, because people currently value nothing that yields money, we automatically end up in poverty again

sorry poor mother

https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1185193644254478337
18-10-2019 starts at 3.20 minutes
the press conference of Deputy Prime Minister Schouten about the #council of ministers

Press conference Schouten Council of Ministers The starting point is voluntary, warm remediation. What D66 tries to shout about by not excluding coercion, Schouten maintains her voluntary position (and in the end she is the Minister of Agriculture, etc. and she has the last word in this and not D66 )

But the "danger" threatens precisely from the corner of the provinces, see Circa at 26 minutes:
Provinces have their own powers and their own financial resources and can therefore make their own policy, even if they go against Schouten's policy.

There is no hierarchy between the minister/central government and the province, but that is precisely why Schouten wants to consult with the provinces about a uniform voluntary policy. She does have control over the government's funding, so…indirectly the provinces also need her for money and Schouten will only give money if they follow her voluntary vision.

But this is the farmers' fear that the provinces can force the purchase of farms. So logical that farmers then become furious.
Just imagine that you are forced to sell your house to the province, then the turnips are done. It is therefore understandable that when the door of the provincial government is closed, an angry farmer breaks open the closed front door with his tractor.
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'Even if you only completely remove agriculture in the Netherlands, you would still have a nitrogen problem,' says @jwerisman #buitenhof Jan Willem Erisman Professor of Integrated Nitrogen Studies Jan Willem Erisman
https://twitter.com/Buitenhoftv/status/1185874109885894657

Well then we better all sit on our hands, if this is true what that Jan Willem says.
Then no more industry, etc. etc.
Those nitrogen compounds are starting to become an obsession.
If PFAS is added, the entire economy will come to a standstill.
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But as a citizen and non-farmer, I continued to search the internet for possible solutions for farmers.

https://www.agro-chemie.nl/nieuws/uitstoot-melkvee-30-omlaag-zonder-koeien-weg-te-doen/

The emission of ammonia and methane from dairy cattle can be reduced in a simple way by almost a third, without reducing the livestock. This is apparent from research by Wageningen University & Research (WUR) and DSM, among others.

1.By diluting the manure and spreading it on the land in strips when it rains, the emissions are already diluted by about 22% compared to the more usual injecting of manure. This is apparent from a trial by LTO and the Proeftuin Veenweiden in Zegveld at 10 dairy farms. You can of course also dilute the manure with ditch water and spread it on the land if it is not raining.

2. An additional 10% reduction in ammonia emissions by feeding cows less protein-rich concentrates. This reduction has no influence on the amount of milk the cows give, says researcher Gerard Migchels of Wageningen University & Research
Here too, emissions can be reduced by about 30% thanks to the feed additive Bovaer

https://www.trouw.nl/economie/zo-zorgt-dsm-ervoor-dat-koeien-schonere-boertjes-laten~b9055c26/?referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fv9ZmQynVW1

A new, revolutionary type of feed from DSM can influence the digestive system of cows. And that significantly reduces methane emissions.
A quarter teaspoon of Bovaer, as DSM has called it, every day should be enough to suppress the enzyme that causes methane production in a cow's stomach. The Prize will become affordable and accessible. The introduction of the feed in Europe will be at the end of 2020, beginning of 2021.
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Then I read a comment from someone on the website Nieuweoogst
Albert Jacob de Graaf says: (just google it)
There is a solution! This solution is supported by European science through a Patent on AMMONIA and METHANE Reduction in Manure. The levels in the manure are much better.
The milk production and levels in the milk have NO negative effect on this.
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Also read a comment on Twitter at FVD from someone whose father was a farmer and who always put some carbon in the cattle feed and that seemed to help very well against the ammonia. Couldn't find any research on the internet about it.
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NMI (Nutrient Management Institute) is conducting research into the application of a lime suspension to the manure strip during fertilization with the trailing foot machine. A first field measurement shows up to 20 percent lower ammonia emissions compared to sod fertilization.
https://www.agraaf.nl/artikel/221275-kalksuspensie-op-meststrook-vermindert-uitstoot-ammoniak-met-sleepvoet/
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A farmer from Almen separates urine from the manure and sprays it separately above ground on the land. His floor in the stable has small holes through which the urine runs and is collected in the space under the floor. And that is drained back to his slurry tank.

He then scoops the manure away 3 times a day. And that goes above ground again over the land. He does not inject the manure into the soil. Read the article and watch the video.

https://www.omroepgelderland.nl/nieuws/2403864/Almense-boer-mag-bovengronds-mest-uitrijden-Straks-doen-alle-boeren-het

Of course, if farmers need to relieve themselves, they should be allowed to do their own thing!
But for the rest certainly not! Just burp neatly with not too big € signs in their eyes.

@Piet What planet do you live on?

His name means "donkey".
Baudet is a complete devourer.
He cuts into everything ..with no solutions . ...and which he provides as in this matter "the German model" ...cannot be in NL.
What an asshole. Discard .. or take it harder in interviews.

@Bocer

Where there is a will there is a way, but where there is no will there is no way!

Letting people hear what they want to hear and giving them something they don't really need is the trick of the shrewd politician or manager. Politics is about being able to listen to each other. Now we talk about each other but not to each other anymore. That's wrong.

Baudet in any case has sufficient common sense. Something that is desperately needed in The Hague.